Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[Sound of Silence]

Later is when I've interacted more with some players.

[Rail Tracer]

ok.

'coz #245 gave me the impression that you have thoughts on them (or, at the very least, on fuduzn) that you were putting together and you don't really seem to be taking much initiative engaging players.

[Sound of Silence]

ok.

'coz #245 gave me the impression that you have thoughts on them (or, at the very least, on fuduzn) that you were putting together and you don't really seem to be taking much initiative engaging players.

The players I most want to engage haven't been active in the thread much this weekend.

[Sound of Silence]

But, you seem to want to engage me. And I'll be awake for another half hour or so. Aside from my firmed up reads, what do you want to know?

[Rail Tracer]

well it's hard to engage you when i want to hear your thoughts on different players and you're not giving your thoughts on different players. :/

[Sound of Silence]

Leaning Town

Brian Skies - read a two year old game and analyzed it. Asking good questions. Agreeableness is not so much a concern with everything else going on
Rail Tracer - scumhunting, agree with a lot of his posts

Null/Town

Humble Poirot
Saki - retracted PGO claim.
Danial Bryan

Null (need more data)

Mario and the Diamonds
artemiskitty (mala/mantis)
Fegelein replacement

Scum

FuDuzn
Dessew - but watching. He's sheeped the FuDuzn wagon
HopefullyCynical (gut)



REBEL

[Sound of Silence]

Now.

Let's talk.

[Rail Tracer]

why is daniel bryan null-town? is it just for the #152-wall? because his recent posts don't look all that town. they're commentary with no commitment.

are the null reads the ones you said you want more information on before you can call them town? what do you think of nacho's point about artemiskitty's paranoia of you? why are you null on notscience? he looks fairly town so far.

if you still think fuduzn is scum, why the unvote? i don't understand the "but watching" part of the dessew read.

why are you even voting rebel? what are you hoping to achieve with this?

and where is the more later you said you were going to do with fuduzn in #245?

[Sound of Silence]

why is daniel bryan null-town? is it just for the #152-wall? because his recent posts don't look all that town. they're commentary with no commitment.

It was for the wall. I wasn't following the thread when he was engaging with others, including you. I want to have a conversation with him soon. Failing that, I'll leave him a wall tomorrow or Tuesday.

are the null reads the ones you said you want more information on before you can call them town? what do you think of nacho's point about artemiskitty's paranoia of you? why are you null on notscience? he looks fairly town so far.

I meant to move him up to null-town. Would move him to leaning town, but I want GiF's thoughts first.

if you still think fuduzn is scum, why the unvote? i don't understand the "but watching" part of the dessew read.

Less pressure sometimes helps in improving a read when somebody gets flaily. He should have a post incoming any time now. I learned this from somebody playing this game.

why are you even voting rebel? what are you hoping to achieve with this?

It's an invitation.

and where is the more later you said you were going to do with fuduzn in #245?

I want to see that post he promised.

[Sound of Silence]

are the null reads the ones you said you want more information on before you can call them town? what do you think of nacho's point about artemiskitty's paranoia of you? why are you null on notscience? he looks fairly town so far.

I didn't reply to all of this. I blame 1 am.

The null reads are

some

of the players I want more information on.

Nacho's point may have some validity. I think it's been almost a year since I played with artemis-head, and I wasn't aware who that head was until this weekend. It raises some concerns because I've never been great at reading her. So getting that read right will be a bigger deal than I thought. :/

[Sound of Silence]

I meant to move him up to null-town. Would move him to leaning town, but I want GiF's thoughts first.

He's town.

[Humble Poirot]

@all:

first off, sorry for the awful grammar in my last rushed posts. If you need clarifications, ask.

Second, everything can be explained and rationalized to "newb player", "not good enough", etc. It would be cool though, if people refrained from giving this "be anti-town" card out so often. You're not encouraging pro-town play. Specially if you give it even before said player tries to defend himself.

Third, what's up with people getting pressured and dropping off the face of the earth?

@sos:

your "FuDuzn" flailing theory doesn't seem to be working. Is rebel scummier than FuDuzn or are you looking for people you can actually pressure until the latter comes back?

@artemiskitty:

Besides calling some people town and voting SOS, I don't see that much from you. How confident are you SOS is scum? Why aren't you either pushing him or trying to convince others to vote him?

notes:

- saki is lurking and getting excused because of apparently scummy meta.
- brian needs to be active and clarify his thoughts and reads.
- I know mario is busy on weekends so I'm eager to see what his reads are on other players besides HC when he is able to post.

@rail:

i don't think it's a mistake. i don't think it's anything at all. if you read the first part of the post in which you claim hc is lying, you can see what hc was actually saying (i.e. that there was no real reason to choose fegelein over others). the second sentence is a, "well, now i don't have a reason to attack mario over fegelein" sort of thing.

I see where you're coming from and I read that part but the distilled information of that sentence is:
- I could've called out many people.
- But you're active
- he hasn't been.
- he was worth my vote.

The problem is that it's an evasive way to not address mario's 126 which is quite accurate.

The second part is specially scummy and what made me scream lie at the top of my lungs but you might understand it better if you see the context of 126 and how HC answered. Unfortunately, he has asked for a replacement which terribly annoys me since it since, in MS now, every player who gets slightly pressured or gets into a fight seems to drop out.

my point about you calling it a lie and not thinking it could be a mistake is that you are making a bigger deal out of it than it really is, and you're not trying to understand the motivation that you claim you are. *shrug*

I understand but you don't seem to give me the same benefit of the doubt you give him. Even if I am wrong about what I consider a lie (which is going to be really hard to see until he flips, since he never came back to reply to me).

- Stop the "two years ago" comment as if it meant anything. It's my second to last completed game in MS, I'm not ignoring recent history since I have none:

elite mafia : May 2012.
That game: June 2011.

[Rail Tracer]

@sos,

could you tell me what you liked about daniel's wall? i didn't get much from it. there's a lot of effort but it didn't really make me think town.

also don't really think fuduzn was under much pressure when you unvoted him

- saki is lurking and getting excused because of apparently scummy meta.

it's not so much that saki is getting excused. it's more, "well, what are you gonna do about it...?" *shrug*

The problem is that it's an evasive way to not address mario's 126 which is quite accurate.

ok. i don't agree with this. i can see some elements of hc's iso that look kind of scummy, and others that make me think town. i don't think hc is scum with dessew. i think dessew is more likely scum than hc.

your interpretation of the "big fat lie" isn't enough of a reason for me (and apparently others) to want to vote hc. and given that hc is being replaced, what are you going to do about it?

what are your current reads outside of hc?

[Humble Poirot]

your interpretation of the "big fat lie" isn't enough of a reason for me (and apparently others) to want to vote hc. and given that hc is being replaced, what are you going to do about it?

I don't know. At the very least, I'd like to see what the replacement does and what does he think about the game and his former self.

I'm also going to keep and eye on FuDuzn and saki but if they are not here, it's kind of hard to pressure them.

Meanwhile, I'll keep scumhunting.

I believe I've more or less covered my reads but here's a bullet point:
probable scum:
HC
FuDuzn

wary of:
saki
artemiskitty.
brian skies.

probable town:
Rail Tracer

lean town (mostly because they play pro-town, in any even, I'm not lynching these guys)
mario
DB
SOS

Unsure:
Rebel
Dessew
NS

I guess I'll have to focus a bit more and try to read those who I'm unsure about but I also don't want to just focus on active players of late and let a scum lurker coast the game.

[Rail Tracer]

hm.

Unvote
Vote: Dessew

[Dessew]

@Dessew, I wasn't referring to the warning (because I understand conflicts) I SPECIFICALLY SAID that bit. So generalizing it is a misrep. It also seems you're doing everything in your power to discredit my scumreads. Why is that?

You're being paranoid. Your scumreads are mostly lurkers, I don't agree with them.

why is daniel bryan null-town? is it just for the #152-wall? because his recent posts don't look all that town. they're commentary with no commitment.

It was for the wall. I wasn't following the thread when he was engaging with others, including you. I want to have a conversation with him soon. Failing that, I'll leave him a wall tomorrow or Tuesday.

I thought that "the other head read" excuse was made up by HP. So you (I mean the head, not the hydra) cannot say anything about his #239?

About Daniel: #239 is scummy, OTOH, I don't see why would he misrep ns. If he's scum, he doesn't really have to do anything atm.

[Sound of Silence]

@Dessew, I wasn't referring to the warning (because I understand conflicts) I SPECIFICALLY SAID that bit. So generalizing it is a misrep. It also seems you're doing everything in your power to discredit my scumreads. Why is that?

You're being paranoid. Your scumreads are mostly lurkers, I don't agree with them.

why is daniel bryan null-town? is it just for the #152-wall? because his recent posts don't look all that town. they're commentary with no commitment.

It was for the wall. I wasn't following the thread when he was engaging with others, including you. I want to have a conversation with him soon. Failing that, I'll leave him a wall tomorrow or Tuesday.

I thought that "the other head read" excuse was made up by HP. So you (I mean the head, not the hydra) cannot say anything about his #239?

About Daniel: #239 is scummy, OTOH, I don't see why would he misrep ns. If he's scum, he doesn't really have to do anything atm.

This post?

Well its ironic that Rail Tracer has been accusing HP of hiding behind the hydra discussion when the attempts at scumhunting are there and the only reason HP keeps talking about hydras is because Rail Tracer keeps bringing them up. Makes sense? Also, what is iioa?

Ik Brian, whats problematic here is that you initially didnt say anything about his hydra statement until people said they didnt agree with some of it, your post agreeing to a part of it looks like it supports the whole statement.

Idk what it is, but I feel like notscience is too agreeable here, Im getting a light scum read on his slot. I dont like his attack on kitty by saying that they have 14 posts, ergo they must be scum.
I think he may have a point about Dessew but Im having a gut scum read on him.

I think his case on Brian Skies is flawed. Brian's first post about hydras was to agree with HP. Something to the effect of holding the hydra accountable for the views expressed by both heads. As other players picked at HP's comments, he expressed agreement with some of those points.

It was all that agreement with somewhat divergent viewpoints that led to my original comment that Brian seemed overly agreeable. Mafia is an inherently antagonistic game. As players get a better feel for who may be on their team, cooperation is possible, but page 1 is not usually when town-recognition happens among players who don't know each other really, really well, especially not mass-town-recognition. This impression is mitigated by his degree of experience with forum mafia. And he's given me a town impression in other posts since then.

The NS argument is bad. NS should have first crack at sorting it. I don't think he has yet, though I find it hard to follow NS sometimes because he usually doesn't quote or otherwise reference the post he's responding to.

[Dessew]

Well, it was really quick and reasonable.

[Sound of Silence]

Well, it was really quick and reasonable.

Not sure what you mean here. What was really quick and reasonable?

[notscience]

Pretty sure I already responded to his point things...

To reiterate, my read on AK was due to the lack of scumreads and etc with a decent post count that just seemed off to me.

Not really an attack either, so /shrug

The misrep post is null town, he didnt use it to push me like id expect scum to, however he only commented on two reads which makes me wary.

[Sound of Silence]

Pretty sure I already responded to his point things...

To reiterate, my read on AK was due to the lack of scumreads and etc with a decent post count that just seemed off to me.

Not really an attack either, so /shrug

The misrep post is null town,

he didnt use it to push me like id expect scum

to, however he only commented on two reads which makes me wary.

I dunno. Sometimes scum drop topics more quickly than town would. Will go back and look at if/how he acknowledged/dropped this.

[Sound of Silence]

lol right. He hasn't posted since 240.

[Cabd]

Vote Count of the First City, Fifth Block

Players Alive: 13
Votes to Lynch: 7
Format of:
Wagon (size): Voters on wagon

Rail Tracer (1): FuDuzn
Humble Poirot (1): Brian Skies
HopefullyCynical (2): Mario and the Diamonds, Humble Poirot
Notscience (1): Saki
FuDuzn (3): HopefullyCynical, Dessew, Daniel Bryan
Sound of Silence (1): artemiskitty
Dessew (2): Notscience, Rail Tracer
Rebel Without a Pulse (1): Sound of Silence
Not voting: Rebel Without a Pulse

Deadline for Day One falls on: 9/30/13 which is (expired on 2013-09-23 19:00:00)

Searching for a replacement for HC

[Humble Poirot]

@SOS, maybe you missed it but there's a question for you in 286

[Sound of Silence]

Hate to be a pain, but I'd like to answer that question after Rebel accepts my invitation.

However, it's hard to gauge FuDuzn's flailiness when he's not posting.