In post 1612, projectmatt wrote:If you actually read my ISO, I was both confused and thrown off by Maragnal's claim and eventually decided to at least accept that Maragnal was town.
Yeah but there should have been a point where you went "okay, they are both town" and tried to find scum in the remaining players. You didn't. That's the point.
In post 1612, projectmatt wrote:At the moment though, as I previously said, I am waiting on the remaining claims before I actually put a lot of effort into deciding who I want lynched today.
Massclaim's done! Go.
In post 1612, projectmatt wrote:Again - I have no interest in getting into a fight with you here but your rationale is very disappointing and weak.
Yeah inte's annoying, but hey guess what I am? Hopped up on coffee! Like I'm kinda twitchin over here, seriously, I'm very sensitive to caffeine.
So, I'm Lizen, knight of house hastiel. Invited here, doesn't say by whom, along with Aetis (rip) and Albert (no good not playing lurker). I have Visualization and an ability to fight. The fighting ability mentioned doesn't have anything to do with my role (s), but I'm guessing the Visualization part does.
I'm a medic but that's not all! I have another ability called awareness which lets me watch over the person I protect at night and learn who else if anyone visited my protect.
I'm a horrible doctor though because night one I protected nacho. I was hoping that someone would say that they had a role and visited Nacho last night because I'd have caught a liar as I was the only one who did. I also feel like the worst doctor ever because I was *-* close to healing Llamarble instead, and if I would have gone with my gut instead of the logical protect we'd be lynching a scumbag for sure today.
Ok so I'm gonna compile the claims right now, the next post will be setup spec-y stuff.
Wingate Neighborhood:
Ms Marangal - April Wingate, Poisoner/Mason Lovers with qwints
qwints - ???, Mason Lovers with Ms Marangal
Empire - May Wingate, Vanilla Neighbor
Shadoweh - June Wingate, Vanilla Neighbor
Ok so, despite Marangal's and Tammy's roles, we know the setup is incredibly low powered (e.g., nearly almost vanilla). I think we can all finally agree at this point that Desperado was factional scum as opposed to the SK for all the reasons we've talked about before + the low amount of town power. If Desperado does actually turn out to be some sort of SK or third party, I'm just going to be super pissed frankly. This also means we should be treating Tammy/Marangal/qwints as basically clear (again, if by some small chance it turns out that one of these three are actually scum I'm just going to be pissed).
As far as the distribution of scum among the Neighborhood/non-Neighborhood players go, there's pretty much three theories I can think of:
1) There's one scum in each Neighborhood and one scum among the non-Neighborhood pool (Desperado). I don't think this is the case. As far as our Neighborhood goes, Mara/qwints are basically clear, I know I'm town, and I am nowhere near confident that Shadoweh is going to flip scum. With regards to the other Neighborhood, as much as I think inte is a worthless lurky turd man, it's very possible he's still town (not too farfetched either given that kuribo looked solid when he was in the slot) and I think everyone can agree on Tammy being unambiguously town at this point just via claim alone if not her own play.
2) There's one scum among the seven Neighborhood folks and two among the non-Neighborhood (one of which was Desperado). This was the middle-of-the-road theory I remember putting forward a while back and I don't think very many people agreed. If this turns out to be the case, then it's probably inte (assuming Shadoweh is town anyway).
3) All three scum are in the non-Neighborhood pool and all seven people in the Neighborhoods are town. I've been toying with this one a lot lately mostly because of Desperado's fakeclaim. Like I said before, we know from that alone that either the scum do not have fakeclaims (meaning Desperado made his up and fucked up by creating one that was impossible - likely possibility given the last FG game didn't have fakeclaims if I remember correctly) or the mod screwed up and gave the scum team fakeclaims that were impossible/could be counterclaimed. Regardless of which, this could have led the scum team to default to the standard servant VT claim out of fear of being caught out like Desperado was.
So yeah, open to any thoughts what I just posted here. I only read through projectmatt's town games because I am a lazy procrastinating fuck but I should get through everything by the end of the day.
I don't even know why I'm arguing about this since she's dying but I'll bite: what do you think of the idea that Desperado claimed something Shadoweh would have told him was impossible if they were scum together? (If you already answered this, then just ignore me.)
In post 1633, Generic wrote:You want to know what concerns me? Desps fake claim. Where the hell did he pluck April wingate from if there is noone in the mara hood who is scum?
That's the rub though. It's either a mod-provided fakeclaim (which means the mod fucked up and gave him something that was directly cc'able) or he just made it up himself. If it's the latter, one of us in the Neighborhood would have told him that such a claim was impossible (because all Wingates are supposed to have access to the QT and he didn't).
So I just have no idea what in the world happened there.
I wouldn't call a doc-watcher underpowered, you know. But it increases my thoughts that the neighbourhoods aren't random, which I didn't want to talk about earlier. Two mason-poisoners and two regular town in one, two players and another power role in the other one. I think it's sad that an opportunity to abuse claiming role powers to your neighbours so the vanillas can fake being the pr's was wasted.
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In post 1635, Shadoweh wrote:I wouldn't call a doc-watcher underpowered, you know. But it increases my thoughts that the neighbourhoods aren't random, which I didn't want to talk about earlier. Two mason-poisoners and two regular town in one, two players and another power role in the other one. I think it's sad that an opportunity to abuse claiming role powers to your neighbours so the vanillas can fake being the pr's was wasted.
Neither of the PRs are underpowered by any means but they're still two roles among a sea of vanilla claims so I'd say that as a whole the town isn't exactly stacked here.
And yeah, it would have been fucking awesome to take some low risk gambits with PRs and stuff but that strategy requires trust among the Neighborhood members, something that...pretty clearly did not happen here.
I don't think the Neighborhoods are random either, there's definitely some meaning to it. I'm just trying to figure out what it means as far as distribution of scum is concerned.
I think the making mara and qwints lovers is genius. It essentially makes both hoods three people hoods as the lovers are linked.
I think you guys went into the hoods with way too much trust. Nacho whether playing a tactic or not is at least scumhunting by behaviour, and I think that's the way to go. If we focus on the servants today then so be it, but I still say inte is scum going forwards.
Doesn't reduce the suspects. PoE is about to take effect I suspect, and you mara and qwints have all just become night fodder.
Maras poisoning and our lynch is all we have to being these numbers down. And unfortunately there is not a single member of this game who hasn't acted scummy. It's annoying.
It will be interesting to see the tactical play by the d I'm team tonight with regards to the dynamo we have here.
But I'm still hopeful shadoweh is scum meaning we just need a good lynch choice now to win. Inte is my current vote, don't think the matt vote is solid enough but the purple shoe vote has potential too if it moves that way.
