Micro 231: Mismatching Flavor Mafia (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

vote count 1.8

Cabd (L-4):

Mononoke

Lucky2u (L-4):

Bert

Guyett (L-3):

Brian Skies | Viera Assassin

Viera Assassin (L-3):

beastcharizard | Guyett

Mononoke (L-4):

Shiny Hydreigon

Not Voting:

Cabd, Lucky2u

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Until deadline: (expired on 2013-09-20 12:00:00)

Mod Notes

• If in any chance the VC is wrong, tell me.

[Lucky2u]

damn it! who let the mod get the top of the page?

[Lucky2u]

What happened to you reconsidering your read on us?

you thought we had a possibility for being scum, but you still think that Brian was scum even with the biggest fight was between the two of us?

~L

are you trying to imply that town cant fight town? or scum can't fight scum?

[Mononoke]

Yeah im referring to that game that had mutley as your partner, you know it heavily affected my read on you during rarefaction even as much as thinking you were scum after the fakehammer reaction, but oh, you flipped town, so im now paranoid.
~Sakura Hana

[Shiny Hydreigon]

Town can defintely fight town

but Scum fighting scum?

less likely, especially in the manner that it has happened

do you think that bussing is likely?

and why are you answering my question with another question?

~L

[Lucky2u]

Yeah im referring to that game that had mutley as your partner, you know it heavily affected my read on you during rarefaction even as much as thinking you were scum after the fakehammer reaction, but oh, you flipped town, so im now paranoid.
~Sakura Hana

If it wasn't for you, I would have been obvtown in that game

Stay paranoid, when people know you have meta on them, they can change their playstyle to throw you off if they are scum.

[Mononoke]

Stay paranoid, when people know you have meta on them, they can change their playstyle to throw you off if they are scum.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I AM PARANOID JEESH

And you saying that is making me even more paranoid....

~Sakura Hana

[Shiny Hydreigon]

do i clap now or you have more scumtheatre?

R~

[Lucky2u]

Town can defintely fight town

but Scum fighting scum?

less likely, especially in the manner that it has happened

do you think that bussing is likely?

and why are you answering my question with another question?

~L

Scum fighting scum less likely? Why? It's totally likely for scum to distance themselve by arguing, or hide coaching of their partner through arguing. I am answering your questions and asking questions back. It's a conversation, not an interrogation. Why are you discouraging the asking of questions?

[Mononoke]

do i clap now or you have more scumtheatre?

R~

You can just go die in a hole.

Now im starting to reconsider my read on you.

~Sakura Hana

[Lucky2u]

do i clap now or you have more scumtheatre?

R~

You can clap now. I think it's done.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

It's done already? I still have some popcorn left...

[Shiny Hydreigon]

so i think its lucky and sakura - sakura's read on lucky is super fake and lucky has gotten pretty scummy in his last posts.
if not both, then just sakura.

R~

[Shiny Hydreigon]

Scum fighting scum less likely? Why? It's totally likely for scum to distance themselve by arguing, or hide coaching of their partner through arguing. I am answering your questions and asking questions back. It's a conversation, not an interrogation. Why are you discouraging the asking of questions?

no, you didn't answer my question

you just asked a question back and kept yourself from answering the question

PEdit: ._.

it is not Sakura/Lucky

[Shiny Hydreigon]

But

I'll entertain one or the other I guess

~L

[Mononoke]

But

I'll entertain one or the other I guess

That's really mean...

It makes me feel you enjoyed watching me getting drove to self-hammer in Xenologue.

~Sakura Hana

[beastcharizard]

Well, self hammering is kind of dumb.

Guyett's vote on VA right after mind rubs me the wrong way. I think Shiny is town and if NS is really in the hydra this is the most useful I have ever seen them in a game. I feel I have posted enough for someone to at least have some type of read on me better than null because "they haven't seen me much."

[Brian Skies]

Whoa. So I WAS about to do a post by post analysis of what I was thinking during each interaction with Shiny and I realized that some of my posts (even though I know what I was thinking and doing at the time) just seem really really scummy to me in a re-read. So even though I thought Shiny was trying to 1v1 me, I was wrong. Instead of clearing up Shiny's mistake (which was what I thought I was doing), it looks like I'm instigating the 1v1 (even though I wasn't). And taking it from another person's point-of-view, I look really scummy and Shiny's assault on me looks like town. It also explains why Shiny kept saying its gut was pinging.

Or at least that's what I'm gathering after re-reading the game from a fresh perspective. I got caught in the heat of the moment and couldn't read the tone of the thread up to that point. =(

Although, Post 285 is pretty inaccurate in reading me and my intentions (although not unwarranted). From another person's perspective, I'd probably lynch me. T_T

Why did you choose Sakura to look at first with regard to past games? Curious choice

You should already know the answer Bert, but I can't say the reason why.

Hint: Sakura wasn't the reason I was reading that game. She just happened to be in it.

Please explain this Brian

I can't. Nacho and Bert should be able to figure it out. All you need to know is that I had already read this game (for reasons unrelated to Sakura Hana), and I remembered Sakura doing a crazy gambit (this is where I borrowed the idea for the gambit).

I declare the 1v1, in an attempt to try and get a better grasp on you, but instead of being receptive and letting it happen you just try and find various reasons to make it not happen

I originally thought the declaration of the 1v1 was a joke (because of the way the thread was going up to this point). It is pretty clear that you, Bert, and I are joking around quite a bit (as well as others). As far as me trying to find reasons not to let it happen, I was just trying to figure out why you thought I put you at L-1. I was seriously trying to clear this up for you.

I called you out for putting us at L-1,

but instead of just saying "no"

you try to rationalize something that totally doesn't really need to be rationalized as well as tried to Pin Bert as scum for sheeping I think...

After re-reading, there was a point where the part in bold should have happened. I see this now. The part in italics is wrong. I thought the focus was on me because you thought I was the last vote or you though I was sheeping Bert. I said Bert was the sheep vote to: 1) make it clear I wasn't sheeping and that I wasn't the last vote as well as 2) to see if you would shift your attention to Bert. You didn't acknowledge me and continued to joke around with Bert. So I went ahead and looked for evidence to make it clear. In hindsight, this was BAD. It looks extremely scummy to me now and it only looks like I'm trying to pin it on Bert.

Going forward, you stated that we have thrown random crap at you, we havn't.

After I made that terribly scummy mistake, I seem to make things worse and it actually looks like I'm instigating a 1v1 with you (I wasn't, I swear). And the entire time I thought the basis of our argument was still me putting you at L-1. I was wrong.

and it is one of the most richest reactions I have gotten in such a long time, it's going to take a while to get it all sorted out

I live to entertain my dearies. Even at my own expense.

after making those accusations, you call us out for being a possible jester (which I find to be incredibly amusing, and am currently trying to figure out if it actually does make you more likely town rather than scum)

Actually, Bert mentions a Jester somewhere before I do. I don't know if that's the reason why I was subconsciously worried about it, but I really thought you could have been a Jester. After the first time I try to disengage and go to sleep, I straight up returned to this site to find out whether or not the set-up was bastard.

you plant the seeds that you will later use as a way to make any argument that we may make in the future invalid

What seeds?

at this point, your tone and posture already read

as Scum backed up against a wall

over town

who is upset over being wrongfully read

The bold part is wrong. The italics part is what I was feeling up to this point. I WAS pretty frustrated though. And pretty confused.

you finally call us scum, you finally admit that you think that we are scum

This is after I realized the set-up wasn't bastard.

it's we are not properly playing which is weird because if we are scum (as I have stated earlier) then we are properly playing

I said I thought it wasn't you guys properly playing because I thought you guys were blatantly trying to appear as scum. Regardless of alignment, I do not find this as proper play. Looking back, I had a misunderstanding.

and then you make your lovely, lovely Gambit which is more you trying to get us lynched, and surviving another day than an actual gambit. I will admit, here I have gotten shaky ground, but R has pointed out that the Gambit is a means to get us lynched because you even stated that we should go first because we were already at L-2 at that time. you were already looking for a mislynch AND it already serves as a means to look like you are actually town, a means of gaining artificial town cred.

This is where I remembered Sakura's gambit from the link I posted. I was INDEED trying to get you lynched. I seriously thought you were scum at this point. But I didn't actually think it was going to happen. I offered myself up first because I wanted to see your reaction (I'm still trying to read you at this point). I didn't like your reaction until post 173. Some of your initial reactions seemed hesitant to accept the trade and I thought you were really scared of dying. But from my point-of-view, if you were convinced I was scum, then you would be willing to accept the trade because you would expect me to flip scum. This is why I got two different reads off you. One head was scared to die but the other head was convinced I was scum and wanted to lynch me. I would like to admit that I DID IN FACT pull of this gambit already knowing it was a dumb move to take the 1v1 (this can be shown in the game I linked). I didn't actually expect the town to just accept the trade. But I did want to use the whole situation to gather some information from other members.

It is a taaaaddd bit towish that you decided to ignore me saying that exploiting me is the best way to gain a town-read on you, and thus stop the attacking however it isn't enough for me

I think this is in my favor, but I don't know where this is coming from. But yes?

as for your question, 172 and 173 are individual opinions.

This is the cause of the different reads and the EXACT reason why I asked whose opinions they were.

after it's proven that we are going to be a tough person to fight with, you decide to go after lurker Guyett, ignoring every other person who wasn't really active at that time. Viera included

There were actually a few inactive players. I just randomly picked one and hoped to get them into the thread. Guyett's quick response whose only content asked why I was voting him made me suspicious.

230 was a wierd post and I'm going to have to concur with R there. Emotion wise, it doesn't really belong, I don't think we have pushed you to that point, and if we have it's because you have done shit. The emotion there is akin to someone who as broken down, I don't think you've gotten to that point yet, considering your quick jump back into the game soon after (in reference to your post which comes a couple hours after said post)

It really was how I was feeling. Guyett's posts about being busy, not liking my attitude, and the responses to my questions (which looked really town, especially because all the tones seemed to match) made me feel like a jerk that was in the wrong and I felt my stomach drop with guilt. But at the same time, I was aggravated because I felt that the entire town was misreading me because of scum Shiny (not how I feel now) and that I was going to get lynched for nothing. The town didn't even seem motivated to look for information before lynching me (I was at L-1 at this point). So I decided to claim, vented my anger, and tried to apologize to Bert (because I was townreading him at the time) and Guyett (because I felt like a jerk).

and soon after, you agree that guyett is town? the guy you have voted for, and called scum? what caused the quick turnaround there?

I felt that if Guyett was scum, he could have used a number of reasons to just let me get lynched. Instead, he becomes a bit paranoid that we might be wrong and realizes that the town doesn't have any information on the vast majority of the players. Lucky and Charizard didn't really seem that interested in finding more information, so Guyett's thirst for knowledge was like a shining beacon of hope for town.


If there are any other questions you have, I'd be willing to answer them. However, after realizing my mistakes and misunderstandings, I really think Shiny is town.

[Shiny Hydreigon]

what are your reads right now?

R~

[Brian Skies]

Okay. Before you lynch Guyett, I would like to clear something up. I DID say I randomly voted an inactive player. This is both true and untrue. I randomly picked Guyett from the player list and looked at his activity date. I saw he was recently online (please look at the timestamps of when I voted him and when he responded in relation to his story, it was really really late) and I voted him because I was suspicious (he was the only person I looked at, I said it was random and it looked like good vote placement). So I do think there is merit to him being truly busy. I DID think it was scummy that he replied right away with no content except him asking why I voted him. But considering what happened afterwards and his story, I think it's important to tell you this when you assess Guyett.

So here are my reads:
Shiny - Town. I had a revelation. It was very shocking.
Bert - Leaning town. I was feeling pretty good for him earlier, but I feel like he's kind of disappeared for some reason. Still, I have a good gut-read from him.
Guyett - Leaning town. I found his posts to be pretty genuine. He could have used a number of excuses to just hop on the bandwagon and let me get lynched. But he jumped off and was the first person to ACTIVELY ask for more information.
Mononoke - Null. I really have no idea how to read Sakura or Nacho.
Cabd - Null. Where are you?
VA - Leaning scum. I don't know how I should be reading this slot. But I don't like what it's done early game. And I don't know if it is just being opportunistic. General lack of information and I don't know how to deal with players like these.
beast - Leaning scum. I feel like he is being opportunistic. And it didn't seem like he cared much about finding information. But, something feels really wrong with this read and it's bothering me. I can't pinpoint it exactly.
Lucky2u - Leaning scum. Tried to push me to vote someone early and I didn't like that. Fished for my claim (beast asked me to claim as well). Seems opportunistic.

[Bert]

Yeah I need to get into this game

Grr

Brian your last wall posts felt so town

I'll be back tomorrow to post when Im not on my phone like I was most of today, really limited my input

[Brian Skies]

Hi Bert!

Also, please keep in mind Cabd had that campsite thing. I don't know if that is the direct cause of his absence, but something to keep in mind before someone decides to PL lurkers.

[Cabd]

Hi Bert!

Also, please keep in mind Cabd had that campsite thing. I don't know if that is the direct cause of his absence, but something to keep in mind before someone decides to PL lurkers.

It's not, i've been posting shittons elsewhere, this game is on the backburner given the deadline is 10 days away and i'm waiting for others to obtown like you are.
(In other words, expect content more on my day off ~thrsday~)

[Mononoke]

You totally have

I mean, I understand that you're busy being scum in Con-mafia to give scumsakura the backbone she deserves from you this game, but at least try and look townish for me please

~L

you have actually

what are your reads?

R~

Cabd is scum.

right now, there is a little bit of argument amongst our heads about you, particularly between me/R and M

Is M Wisdom? He seems to be the one with the poorest reads.

So, rather than take initiative and risk others realizing you're scum you've decided to ignore us and leave it to Nacho?

That's exactly what she HASN'T been doing, actually. She's talking to me and I'm not carrying at all!

You're doing anything and everything possible to avoid engaging with me, why is that?

~M~

Except lurking or actually ignore you. So I guess she's engaging you by normal people's standards, she's just not giving you what you want.

Gun to my head, I'd go with Brian. I think I was right with my first scum read.

Why?

But

I'll entertain one or the other I guess

~L

You shouldn't.

[Viera Assassin]

Cabd is scum.

Lol