Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[The Purple Shoe]

I'm like conf town, how can people say that I am still suspicious. Look at desps interactions with me.

Theres prob a scum in the lovers.

[Generic]

Shoe, you know I consider you one if the friends I have made on mafiascum in your other guise, but I just want you to know that I hate the purple shoe... :p

[Generic]

Inte, matt... And then on the outside I have purple shoe and further out is nacho, mara, qwints, bert, and then further out from there is young tammy (who hates me).

I have changed my opinion of shoe in moving him behind matt because the cocky and borderline retarded comments he keeps making are like wearing a scum badge and sticking it in everyone's face, so i kind of think he just doesn't give a fuck. Matt has faired ok against nacho pressure but if nacho is town then his eye is pretty good at scum spotting and he is certainly keen to see matt swing.

I love tammy, cos she gets emotive like me, and does impulsive things. If that's her scum game I will tip my hat to her

[Generic]

Missed empire... Put him in the pool with nacho and the gang.

[Bert]

well i suppose i can see why you guys are angry at me

You don't care about the game...

I'm like conf town, how can people say that I am still suspicious. Look at desps interactions with me.

Yeah...no.

[The Purple Shoe]

seriously I am ready to play this game to stop people making a mistake. Tell me why I am scum and I will rebuke it like a mofo

[Bert]

How about make some cases for yourself

because so far you aren't really doing anything today

asking for an opportunity to defend makes me feel really weird about you

would you like to start some offense

gogogogo

[Nachomamma8]

Stuff tomorrow after school.

This day has turned into a shit ton of waiting.

[projectmatt]

Stuff tomorrow after school.

This day has turned into a shit ton of waiting.

Eh, don't kid yourself. The game really isn't that stalled at all (nor is my having real life obligations stopping you from scumhunting as well).

I'm in full believe that Maragnal is town and given the way this setup seems to be formed, I also admit that Qwints is town, though I still find his actions relatively difficult to excuse.

Meanwhile, I'm also confident that Tammy is town.

Shadoweh is marked for death and I think she might be scum.

This leaves a pool of:

Empire
Inte
Generic
Nacho
Purple
Bert
Myself

For the purposes of me imagining that the setup is completely balanced, I'm imagining that there are three scum. I have fair townreads on Empire/Generic and presuming that the pool is....

Inte/Purple/Nacho/Bert

I'm actually not under any kind of impression that if Shadoweh would be partnered with Purple here if she actually is scum. Right now, that's the lynch that Shadoweh is aggressively pushing for and it seems like a foolish mistake considering it would literally be autoloss if her push got through.

Of course,

her pushing on her partner might explain her lack of aggression but that looks more like apathy than calcuated play.

I do not like Shadoweh's day but I can find absolutely no certainty that she is actually mafia. If she isn't, that leaves a probable 2/4 pool in Inte/Purple/Nacho/Bert and I struggle to find a probable team there.

Nacho and Bert are both pushing on something that makes zero logical sense now matter how I look at it. For those of you who have played with Bert, does he regularly play and lynch with his gut? If the answer is no, it really does look like an excuse to me, as well as his bi-polar attitude on Nacho but I'm not yet ready to dismiss his early townplay due to my own frustration.

Right now, I'm tempted to vote Inte namely because I don't find his spot particulary town and the fact that Nacho, Bert and Purple all seem to be completely ignoring it makes it probable that he is a potential partner. Again, this requires a little bit more reading of ISO's on my part so I'll do that before I actually throw up my vote.

Right now, I want reads from Empire and Generic.

Nacho,

who is my partner? Shadoweh?

Bert,

same question.

[Nachomamma8]

For those of you who have played with Bert, does he regularly play and lynch with his gut?

Yes.

Nacho, who is my partner? Shadoweh?

Considering I've been calling her scum all day, that's a fair assumption.

[qwints]

Theres prob a scum in the lovers.

I have role related information that Mar is town.

[Empire]

Theres prob a scum in the lovers.

Why is it that there's always at least one player in every single one of my mafia games that just makes the experience completely unenjoyable for me? What did I do to deserve this?

Right now, I want reads from Empire and Generic.

I'm pretty much on the same boat as everyone else is in that I think it's down to inte/Shoe/you. Tammy/Marangal/qwints should be treated as cleared right now and I do still think the Generic/Nacho/Bert cluster is town at the moment. I'm just paranoid that I'm either grossly underestimating Bert (I haven't seen his scum game, and yes, he does play by gut) or one of the competent scum players like Nacho/Generic is playing really well which is why we've been struggling to pin down scumreads with any measure of confidence.

Basically, remember those "stacked games" we used to have back at EM with the 40 minute Day 1 and everyone looked town and the scum team always ended up being the two best scum players in the room. That's kind of what I'm worried about.

On the other hand though, it'll be fucking incredible amounts of ownage if Shadoweh is actually somehow scum and we end the game today.

Tammy, why did you have to draw the super awesome PR and not one of the people I'm getting worried about?

[Empire]

I'm actually not under any kind of impression that if Shadoweh would be partnered with Purple here if she actually is scum. Right now, that's the lynch that Shadoweh is aggressively pushing for and it seems like a foolish mistake considering it would literally be autoloss if her push got through.

Of course,

her pushing on her partner might explain her lack of aggression but that looks more like apathy than calcuated play.

I was just rereading this post and got to here. This isn't true -- according to #1570, she doesn't think Shoe is scum.

[Empire]

I've been looking through/skimming some of inte's games while waiting to head out to dinner and uh, he could very easily be scum here based on meta. Compare Arkham Horror II / Buckshot Mafia / 20th Century Philosophy with You Could Be Anyone and Mini 1382. He seems to be way more active and aggressive in his town games and just generally a lot cockier in his attitude. As scum, he's rather lurky and there's no real conviction behind any of his pushes or reads, which I think matches his play here (see: how he calls out Tammy/Bert/Generic as people he finds scummy, yet just ends up apathetically voting Shoe at the end of D1). I'll look at this in more detail when I come back as well as finish the projectmatt one.

[Tammy]

Also, fun fact, he's in a game that just started friday, and he only has one more post in this game than that. (Not talking about anything more than activity, don't yell at me.) I only found out because I got all excited when I saw his name and thought he had posted in here just to be disappointed to see he wasn't.

He told us in the neighborhood he was working a lot of hours so didn't have a whole lot of time to play, then why would you sign up for another game???

[Nachomamma8]

He also seems to be more aggressive about his lurking in those scum games. Here he seems like he actually just doesn't give two shits.

[Empire]

One last thing before I head out to dinner:

might b 3 more scum still with heavy town power roles but lets not talk about that right now

Did anything happen in the Neighborhood that would prompt inte to make this post?

P-edit: Uhh, really Nacho? Because I don't see much of a difference at all.

[Nachomamma8]

im still here are we massclaiming im not caught up sitll (apologies)

well i suppose i can see why you guys are angry at me

vs

can you guys quit complaining? i'm filling an inactive spot. good vibes

theres been almost 2 pages a day since the game started and last couple weeks of the semester take precedence

deal with it

[Tammy]

Nothing. Neither of us claimed in the neighborhood. I never even hinted having a role. Neither did Llamarble. The only thing we discussed was the flavor and whether or not desperado was sk and what our reads were.

[Tammy]

oh that was answering empire's question...don't know why i didn't quote it.

[inte]

ok well im going to skip what i haven't read yet and read the last 10 or so pages im bored out of my mind reading walls and banter

[Generic]

All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.

[Generic]

Reads were requested from me, I have already broken down my PoE list for scum but will give a more detailed run down of players when I get time. Needless to say here is my T/S list as its known on MTGS:

Town-
Tammy
Mara
Qwints

Bert
The fence - nacho, empire
The purple shoe

Project matt
Inte.
- Scum

The nearer you are to a section is how clear or unclear I am about you.

[Tammy]

All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.
All filler and no reads makes inte a good lynch option.

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[Tammy]

Right now, I want reads from Empire and Generic.

I'm pretty much on the same boat as everyone else is in that I think it's down to inte/Shoe/you. Tammy/Marangal/qwints should be treated as cleared right now and I do still think the Generic/Nacho/Bert cluster is town at the moment. I'm just paranoid that I'm either grossly underestimating Bert (I haven't seen his scum game, and yes, he does play by gut) or one of the competent scum players like Nacho/Generic is playing really well which is why we've been struggling to pin down scumreads with any measure of confidence.

Basically, remember those "stacked games" we used to have back at EM with the 40 minute Day 1 and everyone looked town and the scum team always ended up being the two best scum players in the room. That's kind of what I'm worried about.

On the other hand though, it'll be fucking incredible amounts of ownage if Shadoweh is actually somehow scum and we end the game today.

Tammy, why did you have to draw the super awesome PR and not one of the people I'm getting worried about?

In your pile of three I'd go Nacho/Bert/Generic for who would be more likely. I still have a lot of worry about Nacho as I'm in the same boat of not being sure on who the scum are. I'd be surprised if Bert were scum especially based on his paranoia earlier, but I've never seen his scum game either so not sure, and probably a road to cross in a day or two. And I think that Nacho can read him? So, unless he's just townreading his partner I find it unlikely that he's scum. And Generic's meltdown day one read real. And his posts and reads today don't feel anything like his red wedding game.

I know right? It's kind of like when Nikanor got the friendly neighbor role in the BSG game and was almost everyone's strong town read all game anyway.