Open 527 - Hard Boiled: Dixon Hill's Maudlin Madness

[Sound of Silence]

Stating intent to hammer the Nacho. This doesn't feel like his town self.

Where was this Jiffy in the Buzzword Bingo game?

[Trolling Fairy]

Stating intent to hammer the Nacho. This doesn't feel like his town self.

Why not?

Stating intent to hammer the Nacho. This doesn't feel like his town self.

Where was this Jiffy in the Buzzword Bingo game?

I wasn't town that game.

[Trolling Fairy]

Also:

But, in a show of good faith, because I do love dancing I'll

Mala/Tammy you are far too kind <3

you never went back through the game like you said you would
we were supposed to go back through this together, but you got caught up in nacho-scum fever.

But, in a show of good faith, because I do love dancing I'll

Mala/Tammy you are far too kind <3

you never went back through the game like you said you would
we were supposed to go back through this together, but you got caught up in nacho-scum fever.

But, in a show of good faith, because I do love dancing I'll

Mala/Tammy you are far too kind <3

you never went back through the game like you said you would
we were supposed to go back through this together, but you got caught up in nacho-scum fever.

You fucking talk to me when you're lynching me, young man.

[Trolling Fairy]

"he's not playing to his town meta or his scum meta"? Really?

What I mean by this is that you're not playing a normal scumgame, but it feels oddly different from your towngame. I'd expect your scumgame to have more differences from scumgame to scumgame than your towngame because you are better at playing scum and have more options in playing scum.

If SD OR TF is scum, they basically have no choice but to lynch me at some point, because no one else looks like they're going anywhere.

Who do you have to lynch if you're scum?
(SD or TF if one is scum)
This point sucks.

[Trolling Fairy]

I am considering attempting to metashift with this game, though I doubt I would actually succeed and would probably revert to my old ways within a few posts. I would really love to not get lynched this game, win or lose.

I thought that the inclination to meta shift was a townish one. There's no reason he should pull the card here as opposed to in any of his other scumgames, which is a strong point in his favor. The very basic Cephrir town-scum list is waffley indecisive Cephrir is town Cephrir and decisive "lynch this" Cephrir is scum Cephrir. He also didn't get lynched in Amnesiac so this wouldn't be anything new for him?

I can admit, Shodan is not making my town phones ring off their hooks.

Let's pretend I executed that metaphor a lot better than I actually did.

Top: Scumrir.
Bottom is a little waffley a little awkward, a little trending towards town-Cephrir. If the meta shift is to be confident and more assertive, you'd think he wouldn't fuck that up in the first post he made.

Also, FTR, I don't presently believe it, partially because I cannot find it for the life of me (THIS IS NOT AN INVITATION TO POINT IT OUT)

I don't like how he takes the pro-town route of "DON'T POINT OUT THE SOFTCLAIMING PERSON" while making a giant fuss out of finding the softclaim and not unvoting until he finds it.

Upon some review, I agree that TIP is town mostly for pointing out the breadcrumb, but he needs to know that I will policy lynch him if he ever does it again.

Weird how he would find TiP pointing out the breadcrumb town when he would later say that baldeagle's pointing out of Mac's hider claim was "blowing up his scumdar".

Not voting because I have no idea how many votes you're at. And I'm not 100% sold anyway.

Okay, I'm thinking that SD might be town. I'll need to talk to Mala as I don't have much experience with either of them, but the reasoning for ns being scum is pretty convoluted in that it sounds like a town theory for why someone is scum rather than a scum theory. It sounds like one of those heads got a bit ahead of himself because the stances to him didn't make sense and then ran with it without thinking about why it doesn't actually make him scum.

Eeeeeh. Not sure I agree with this logic. It's kinda the opposite of convoluted, really (I do think this is a solid argument in general but I don't think it applies).

Waffles on SD wagon when momentum first begins to gain, this position doesn't really have any signs of real indecision or any sort of back and forth. His position is "I think SD is scum for convoluted logic and reachy attacks, but it's not THAT convoluted or else he would be town." which obviously leaves a lot of room for him to lynch or not to lynch SD how he pleases, which is advantageous regardless of SD's alignment.

Good read on me Nati

10/10

welcome to the scumreads with Mac as well

I had a town read on you but you've done nothing but smash it with a hammer for roughly 8 pages.

This seems like scumCephrir's confidence again, but it's also referring to a "slight" townread that came in Ceph's first post of the game and wasn't revisited at all since. If it really was a slight scumread that was smashed with a hammer, I'm guessing he would have unvoted or addressed that before momentum began to build to this point.

CLAIM AND STOP CALLING EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO VOTES YOU SCUM

THANKS

It's funny that the person who was waffling so fucking hard with SD earlier is very strongly tunneling on NS now.

I don't think SoS and TF are both town. Leaning town on TIP but could use more convincing, I don't think he's as clearly town as everyone else seems to think.

This is essentially "figure out who can be mislynched today" and nothing more.

I don't think TIP is actually lynchbait, everyone is pretty much agreeing he's town.

Has paranoia of TiP early in the game doesn't trust what people are saying about him, but later when he's asked to list his reads TiP is #2. Why? Notice that he also has paranoia of SoS but everyone is calling SoS town and yet they are #4 because GiF? Hell no.

I don't want SD around for LyLo, but I'm still not convinced they're scum. By PoE I'm becoming increasingly certain ffery and/or nachocabd (emphasis on the latter though) is scum and I want to deal with it NOW.

Any one of these three can flip town and he's still OK for tomorrow.

Okay see the thing I liked about it is that I've only ever made a statement like that as town. I don't think to as scum. Posts like that are one of my mafia weaknesses though, I'll readily admit that, but it gives me pause.

I feel like you're getting too hung up on this sort of thing.

Another one of Cephrir's "eh, your reasoning for finding SD town is not so good".

VOTE: Trolling Fairy

Thanks but no thanks

Funny how he waits for Tammy to attack me before jumping in. It's almost like... he's had no original attacks all game!

I don't think that Cephrir would attack Tammy's townread of SD if he was an SD partner, and the whole "need them gone before LyLo" is mitigating damage from a townflip, not capitalizing on a bus. They're probably not scum together.

[Trolling Fairy]

Vote: Cephrir

I don't have as many problems with SD. The problem with them is that the only thing that looks good is the ns push, and I'm not so convinced DP would make a push like that on town ns so early. I would love to hear SalmonellaDreams's for finding me scum, though.

[Cait Sith]

You can't blame us for NS getting lynched in the time when neither of us were in the thread.

You're right; I can't. Thank god I didn't.

Well then what was this?

I do usually have more to say. I'll admit that. For whatever reason though my gut is really leading the way this game. There are too many players here I don't trust my head to read properly (every living player except SD and Cait Sith).

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What do you think of Cait Sith being the person to townread ns and then do nothing to stop the wagon?

Because that sure looks like you blaming us for not stopping a wagon we weren't around for. And this mind you comes after you had decided we were town. Because it sure looks like you're trying to have your cake and eat it to. Call us town to appease me but still try to make something we had no control over look scummy to other people.

Day three had me immediately joining in and giving my updated thoughts as well, so step off with the holding back business.

Again, you did your share; you didn't lurk or anything like that. But you also didn't establish yourself as an untouchable protown entity by the end of Day 1 like you usually do. In #YOLOville, you were town as fuck by the end of day 1. In Empire's game, same deal. In Stack the Deck you weren't so incredibly town but you were my top town read by the end of the day so when you aren't being praised by everyone as town god by the end of Day 1, of course I'm going to prod you a bit.

No one did. Day one was mostly consumed by NS declaring he was town obvtown and anyone who wasn't reading him as town was scum. And it was three days of mostly that noise, which made it near impossible to get any other reads that made any sense. You are really giving me crap for not being a beacon by the end of day one that was three real life days long? During the time of the week that is when I post the least? In a game where in the sign up thread I mentioned that I was busy and was why Mala and I hydra'd for it because she's busy too? And then after a day two that was hours short?

When did I have time to be a beacon? And I do come under suspicion sometimes you know. Not always does everyone declare me their strongest town read by the end of day one. And in some games I do get suspicion for not being the beacon I should be even when I feel like I'm being pretty damn town (like here hi!). But you're not even taking things into context. In YOLOville, I didn't do anything in the game for the entire first week and came under suspicion for some of the timing of the posts I did make. In Empire's game I was town as fuck, but we also didn't have the noise and quicklynch we had here.

Do you really think that little of jiffy's scum game that you think he can't have done what he's done as scum? Or Mara? Come on Nacho.

No, but I don't think those two are easy to sort. I think you usually are easy to sort when the effort is put into actually sorting you.

If they aren't easy to sort, then why did you have them written off as the people that looked good and not in your need to sort out pile?

Oh and I *did* do something I can't replicate as scum.

I think you could make the accident as scum. I don't think it would be purposeful as either alignment, and I don't think you'd push it as a townslip if you made that mistake as scum, but I know that you're suddenly not incapable of making mistakes because you have a town role PM.

Well you would be wrong. If I were scum, you know what would have been my first thought? Mac probably hid behind me, because I would have expected to be investigated. And if you don't think I'd push it as a town slip, then why did you say that you thought it was because I had a headache AFTER I had mentioned it and Cabd made the post about it being a townslip (and he could have been sarcastic or whatever, but it was already out there.) Therefore, I was already pushing it as a townslip, so why the argument about it?

[Cait Sith]

If SD OR TF is scum, they basically have no choice but to lynch me at some point, because no one else looks like they're going anywhere.

Who do you have to lynch if you're scum?
(SD or TF if one is scum)
This point sucks.

It's funny that this is an extension of the point I was making to mara about you and your reads and you're only pointing out to him that it sucks.

[Trolling Fairy]

I generally let people call me town for whatever reasons they like.

[Cait Sith]

That doesn't even make sense. I've never called you town this game, and that point was in reference to what I found suspicious about you.

[Bert]

Hey Nacho

read on SOS please, and also Cait. NOW.

You wanna talk,

let's talk

your cracking under pressure is amusing me

and no I do want to lynch you

don't you dare go there with me <3

Love, Bert

[Bert]

Also, your attack on Ceph seems so convenient. Yeah no.

You are amusing me with the back-and-forth with others right now,

Bert is thoroughly amused, love <3

[Trolling Fairy]

Because that sure looks like you blaming us for not stopping a wagon we weren't around for. And this mind you comes after you had decided we were town. Because it sure looks like you're trying to have your cake and eat it to. Call us town to appease me but still try to make something we had no control over look scummy to other people.

No, the thought in my head when I posted this was that you were town but I typed up the post with Tammy-scum in mind. I asked you why, which is different from me blaming you for ns getting lynched.

You are really giving me crap for not being a beacon by the end of day one that was three real life days long? During the time of the week that is when I post the least? In a game where in the sign up thread I mentioned that I was busy and was why Mala and I hydra'd for it because she's busy too?

No, no, and no. I am explaining why I thought you needed sorting.

When did I have time to be a beacon? And I do come under suspicion sometimes you know. Not always does everyone declare me their strongest town read by the end of day one. And in some games I do get suspicion for not being the beacon I should be even when I feel like I'm being pretty damn town (like here hi!).

Yes you didn't have the chance to be your beacon of town self but that IMMEDIATELY translates into you getting through the first two days without having to do anything that was particularly hard to fake.

Well you would be wrong. If I were scum, you know what would have been my first thought? Mac probably hid behind me, because I would have expected to be investigated.

And how was I supposed to know this...?

And if you don't think I'd push it as a town slip, then why did you say that you thought it was because I had a headache AFTER I had mentioned it and Cabd made the post about it being a townslip (and he could have been sarcastic or whatever, but it was already out there.) Therefore, I was already pushing it as a townslip, so why the argument about it?

Rephrase this?

[Trolling Fairy]

you and your reads and you're only pointing out to him that it sucks.

#858 was in response to him.

read on SOS please, and also Cait. NOW.

Town and town.

your cracking under pressure is amusing me

and no I do want to lynch you

You haven't seen me actually crack under pressure, have you?
You think my push on Cephrir is convenient, but what's your read on him?

[Trolling Fairy]

If they aren't easy to sort, then why did you have them written off as the people that looked good and not in your need to sort out pile?

You being easy to sort means that I can attack you and figure you out decently easily. Mara is usually easy to read, but I wouldn't call her easy to sort. Majiffy is not easy to read and he's not easy to sort either.

[Bert]

Town and town.

Bring me through your thought process and how you achieved those two reads.

Who is Ceph scum with, then?

[Trolling Fairy]

Jacob, why are you avoiding the game at the moment?

[Sound of Silence]

Jacob?

[Trolling Fairy]

Bring me through your thought process and how you achieved those two reads.

SoS is the only player who managed to keep pace with the entire game and stay completely on pace, which would be a hell of an accomplishment for ffery-scum that I doubt GiF could carry her through.

Cait Sith townread is mostly from all the posts where she yelled at me and called me scum.

[Trolling Fairy]

Jacob?

Tippy!

[Trolling Fairy]

WOOOAAAAHHHH SOMETIMES
i get a good feeling

[Bert]

I love that song...now we're talking <3

List of reads in order please?

[Trolling Fairy]

Sound of Silence/Bert/Cait Sith
Violent Saxophone
TheIrishPope
SalmonellaDoctor
Cephrir

[Cait Sith]

SD - why did you latch onto the null read that bat gave to cephrir but the other null read he gave, like to trolling fairy or sax?

Salmonella Dreams - Please answer this. kthnxbye

[Bert]

Sound of Silence/Bert/Cait Sith
Violent Saxophone
TheIrishPope
SalmonellaDoctor
Cephrir

Let's get down and dirty

Why is Majiffy/Mara town, what did you look for, why, etc.

Why is TIP in the middle - are you paranoid about him, or...

<3

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