Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BROseidon]

Also, I would have pushed bnb at today's start had they not been NK'd. Scum made my life easier there.

[zMuffinMan]

no, you didn't say you think bnb is town, you said you think nick is the scummier of the two. that leaves your options open because you're not committing to a town read on bnb.

[Nachomamma8]

And no, the fact that nobody else agreed with me should not clue me in to it being wrong, considering that entire towns have been duped a multitude of times.

Please keep in mind that games where the majority have the right scumreads are townwins. Games where the minority have the right scumreads are scumwins. So, instead of going "just because no one's listening to me doesn't mean I'm wrong", switch up your game and just try harder to convince.

[BROseidon]

And leaving options open is bad because...

pedit: HOLY FUCK NACHO I'VE BEEN BUSTING MY ASS THE PAST TWO DAYS.

EVERYONE ON THE MALA WAGON AGREED TO LYNCH NICK IN EXCHANGE FOR BNB'S COOPERATION ON MALA. I'M NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO WANTED MALA OVER NICK.

[BROseidon]

Actually Nacho where the fuck have you been. You've had little impact this game.

[Nachomamma8]

I've been completely lost in the stars, in case you hadn't noticed. There was an aim to catch up yesterday, but that didn't work out.

[BROseidon]

So you're where I was at the end of day 1.

What's throwing you for a loop?

[zMuffinMan]

And leaving options open is bad because...

i didn't say it was bad, but it completely contradicts the idea that you were reading bnb as town, and it's something scum fucking love to do when they call something TvS.

[BROseidon]

I was reading bnb as town because I was reading nick as scum. Once nick flipped town, I felt I needed to slow down. I wanted to push bnb today so that I'd see whether I was wrong, but scum answered that question for me.

And why do scum like calling something TvS when they know it's TvT? Why wouldn't they call it TvT to build towncred?

Also, I need to step back and find time to get a reread in. I'm starting to doubt a few of my reads at both ends...

[zMuffinMan]

I was reading bnb as town because I was reading nick as scum.

so you say, but your only mention of bnb after voting nick is that nick was the scummier of the two. that implies you think bnb is scummy, just not as scummy as nick.

you're suggesting that you thinking they don't make sense as scum together somehow implies that you thinking nick was scum implied you thought bnb was town, which is utter bullshit.

if i say i think X and Y are scummy, but i don't think they make sense as scum together, saying i think one is scummier than the other in no way implies that i think the other is town. it only suggests i think the other is town if i'm right about the first being scum.

And why do scum like calling something TvS when they know it's TvT? Why wouldn't they call it TvT to build towncred?

... ... ... sure, that's another option for scum, i guess. but seeing as we're specifically talking about instances where someone calls something TvS in order to potentially get two mislynches, i don't see what the point of bringing this up is.

I'm starting to doubt a few of my reads at both ends...

which ones?

[BROseidon]

1)...which is why I was going to push bnb today.

2) Because the odds of me getting a mislynch on bnb before I myself got lynched would have been...

3) Pretty much everything that isn't Mutt and Mala needs a reset at this point. Even the Mala read might need a reset once I go through things from a different lens. Don't think the Mutt one will.

[Faster Than Light]

I love that Desperado is pushing hard on me for being consistent. He probably reckons I'd be a good mislynch after the Nick mislynch, especially since he's been playing around that since yesterday. The whole case on me relies a bit too much on Nick being town, something that scum-Desp would know and want to put against me. Also, since he's been pushing on me since D2, it won't seem like the obvious distraction/push for a mislynch on D3 that it is. Still, it's interesting to see Desp cherry-pick my posts for points against me.

Speaking of Nick, I'm sorry you're gone, bro. At least you died as a man... of the SEA.

I was going to kick back and relax after that stressful D2, but it turns out I didn't have the money for ice-cream, so I just kinda slept instead. I felt kinda dumb, because I had the site open and everything, then it turned down my credit card. Guess I have to wait to get paid again, so I'm looking forward to ordering some delicious food at the end of today--hopefully with a scum-flip this time.


My top scum-reads for today are Trust Fund, Desperado, and MalaKittens.

That said, let me begin on the one that I'm most uncomfortable about:

Vote : Trust Fund

I'm going to go ahead and use an Andy-list in my next post.

[zMuffinMan]

...which is why I was going to push bnb today

which just proves you weren't reading bnb as town... so uh, yeah.

Because the odds of me getting a mislynch on bnb before I myself got lynched would have been...

if you legitimately think this, then HOW THE FUCK DOES (1) MAKE SENSE?

[Faster Than Light]

TOWN

AJ The Epic
Andrius
Ghostlin
Nachomamma8

SoundofSilence

BROseidon
Mastin2
TiphaneDeath

LEANING SCUM

BeautyandtheBeast

RachMarie

nickthename

Venmar
mutleyddmc
zMuffinMan

SCUM

Saki

Mac
Desperado
Trust Fund
Malakittens

[Faster Than Light]

...which is why I was going to push bnb today

which just proves you weren't reading bnb as town... so uh, yeah.

Because the odds of me getting a mislynch on bnb before I myself got lynched would have been...

if you legitimately think this, then HOW THE FUCK DOES (1) MAKE SENSE?

Silly muffin, those two points reference different places in time.
He -was- going to push BnB,
But now that he knows the BnB flip was a mislynch, he realizes the odds would have been...


-V

[BROseidon]

...which is why I was going to push bnb today

which just proves you weren't reading bnb as town... so uh, yeah.

Because the odds of me getting a mislynch on bnb before I myself got lynched would have been...

if you legitimately think this, then HOW THE FUCK DOES (1) MAKE SENSE?

If they were scum, and my attacking them could get enough information to get them lynched later; I'd take the trade. If they were town, hopefully I'd be able to figure it out and move elsewhere. Seems like a win-win from my end.

pedit: Varsoon, it's not just that. Even if bnb weren't the NK (and town still), my pushing them would not have gone over well. At the same time, I'm so far in the pit I might as well keep playing aggressive.

[Faster Than Light]

Well, BRO, what are your current reads and what do you believe is the best course of action for D3?
Especially now since you've been knocked back a bit with the recent town-flips on your scum-reads?
Has that made you reconsider reads you previously had? How so?

[BROseidon]

I still like the Mala lynch, but there's some other stuff that I need to reconsider. The combinations of today's postings and going through the day 1 votecounts in ISO is making me think that I read day 1 completely wrong.

I'm mostly thinking that I didn't look hard enough for Rach busses.

[BROseidon]

I'm going to sleep now and won't be available much if at all until tomorrow evening. Hopefully the time will help me mull things over a bit.

[zMuffinMan]

He -was- going to push BnB,
But now that he knows the BnB flip was a mislynch, he realizes the odds would have been...

that doesn't even make sense. think about it.

If they were town, hopefully I'd be able to figure it out and move elsewhere.

so you think you were going to somehow magically figure it out, even though you couldn't figure it out all of D1/D2?

colour me unconvinced. the simpler explanation is that you're scum, your reasoning for thinking one of bnb/nick was scum was poor, and no you conveniently don't have to deal with the backlash you would have gotten had you tried to push bnb today.

[zMuffinMan]

PS: town-you should realise the possible lose-lose situation that you pushing bnb could have caused if you did happen to push bnb today and didn't happen figure out they were town.

[zMuffinMan]

hey varsoon.

why do you have RM in your leaning scum pile when you clearly thought she was town. iirc you thought she was town, ms thought she was scum, and you were against her lynch. it's kinda funny that you're pretending you were leaning scum on her.

[Faster Than Light]

The piles for confirmed people are for the time of their lynch. MS and I had a shouting match with each other over the whole Rach thing and at the end of it I told him to put down a vote since he was convicted in his idea that Rach was scum. I was null and conflicted about her, MS was convinced of Rach scum. That's lean-scum for the slot.

What's funny about that?

[zMuffinMan]

i'm guessing the leaning scum thing on nick was a warmup before the actual game, right, charles?

i'd "get it up" with you today but most of your scum/leaning scum reads suck.

[Trust Fund]

I keep looking at this thread, see the endless circle of muffin/bro/FTL with side helpings of whoever the fuck else, and get really dis-interested. (Muffin, you feel like wisdom does, utterly motivation draining; varsoon is just being his usual shitgambits self; bro is.... just repeating himself)

Syr all but abandoning me really doesn't help.

So I'm ignoring all three of your pissing matches.

Hey nacho, hey mac, you're both feeling rather dull at the moment, apathetic even. So am I. Let's have some wonderful thread orgies or something, 'cuz I really would like you two to be town so I have somebody to follow.