In post 3405, Faster Than Light wrote:Allow me to high-light why this is a terrible approach, AJ.
In post 3403, Aj The Epic wrote:FTL: Your gambit is not going to work better than scum hunting. I think I know what you're doing here, and it's stupid regardless of flip outcomes because the logic is bad. (of course you never responded to me when I spoilered and when through your reasoning post).
Secondly, Nick keeps going "I'll get that case up later" constantly. I wrote a mala case in probably 10 minutes yesterday, it was that easy. You can get just about ANY post and go with it. Why is it taking him so damn long?
Mala dies tomorrow. End of story. We've decided to lynch Nick today on BnB's judgment and they've promised to at least look at mala tomorrow (when I'll write up an up-to-date case on her IN A TIMELY FASHION) and then we'll be clear of possibly two scum. Because you know what? Your gambit is already set to clear Nick. You want so badly to clear him that you've chosen the most likely scum candidate and said "Nick's allignment is the opposite BECAUSE one is consistent and one is not and the scum team OBVIOUSLY follows one of these trends".
So look:
No one wants to halt the current proceedings of actually scumhunting
to go along with your three-piece gambit that involves lynching someone to clear someone else. That's not how gambits are employed, nor do you basically televise the whole gambit before starting it... Nor do you announce that you're pulling a gambit.
There is an art to it, and you've yet to master it. Your idea seems so farfetched and complicated (in a bad way, not complex) that it's basically destined to fail by one overlooked issue.
You know the last time I saw a large gambit?
Auntie Jemina pulled on in a game early, calling herself the town role blocker when under pressure and getting a mass claim day 1. She had a really large idea about how to overlap roles well and avoid lynching the PRs. Docs stayed unclaimed and such but you know what? Scum just picked off power roles, as planned. Duh. Jemina flipped scum in the endgame and everyone felt stupid for it. There was no way it ever would've worked in town's favor, and I voiced that, but hey. Complicated long term gambits WILL FAIL because eventually scum will know what's going on and pass through with ease. Imagine if Nacho and Nick are opposite alignments: The scum would know which is town and if he was really stuck, he'd just base his reactions off the town player, changing it slightly to be believable.
1- Nick's busy. He'll get his Mala case done. This is a moot point. I spent over 3 hours before WRITING a case on someone. If you can't see why it's important for Nick to have a case on Mala before anyone gets lynched, you need to. No matter his alignment, it gives a point of reference.
2- I've reiterated, even in the post you reference as bad logic, that they could both be scum. The point is, my alignment doesn't fucking
CLEAR
anyone. It gives a truthful alignment tell. I'd rather get information on 3 players instead of haphazardly risk a mislynch on two in a row. Blindly fumble around and lynch Mala regardless of evidence D3? Sounds real fuckin' town, AJ. Even as a contingency plan, that's not going to give us the info we could mine out of this situation.
3- If you think, in some bizarre world, that everyone sheeping MY OWN POINTS and B&B's against Nick is actually scum hunting, you need to get your head straight. Rushing the day and pushing out this lynch was something I was dead set on, but I stopped and realized how fucking backwards that is. Sure, Nick is a top scum candidate of mine. But Mala's been sending up flags and I've figured out a way to determine THREE PLAYERS' alignments with only a lynch on one of them. That's eons better than your proposed 'scumhunting'. Also, the amount of shit that I've kicked up by doing this has produced lots of amazing reactions and things to look at when we're finally done with Mala and/or Nick, so, yeah, I think you need to take a step back and realize that
Varsoon is doing the most scum-hunting in this entire game.
4-You don't know what I'm doing. Part of this gambit is, in fact, to reveal it in such a way. See point 3, man. My gambit has already produced awesome content. And, again, I reiterate, you have no clue what I'm doing, so stop saying it won't work. Just because I don't play by the same little codes and pathways that most players do doesn't mean that what I'm capable of is less effective. Open your mind.
5- Last time is not this time, you bastard. Last time I saw a grown man wearing red, he was hitting a woman. Ergo, every time I see a grown man in red, he'll be hitting a woman/a wife beater? And you're telling me about shitty logic.
Ultimately, you're rooted in terrible meta ideas of how the game 'works', you don't know what I'm doing and have no place to say otherwise, and you think speed-lynching Nick's somehow the best plan for D2.
I've proven otherwise.
Now, please, put that vote on Mala, or do some actual scum hunting of your own.
-V
