Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3875 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:14 am

desp wrote:You don't see an issue with this?

not really. i believe i did something similar d2 when i was still in the midst of sorting out my reads. at the start of d2 i was considering a lynch between {nick, venmar, mala}, 2 of which i had as town reads d1. after some reading, i changed my mind, even if i never explicitly stated why. *shrug*

i don't know why mastin changed his mind, but i don't have any real issue with it.

i suppose it

could

be because he's scum, but i so nothing that suggests this. you can always ask him about it.

Desperado · Post Post #3876 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:21 am

In post 3727, Desperado wrote:
In post 3715, mastin2 wrote:VOTE: Mac.
This doesn't seem like you. What's your angle on Mac?

BROseidon · Post Post #3877 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:22 am

This game.

I don't even...

Varsoon what the fuck are you doing

Ghostlin · Post Post #3878 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:23 am

In post 3841, Andrius wrote:I disagree, but I'll keep my trap shut for the time being.

Andy, honey. You're missing something. I just gave you a gift in that last post. You can find it in that game

you first got my meta from

.

Please don't blab it all over the thread, I don't want anti-town forces to get a handle on it. It'll be our little secret. Shh.

Ghostlin · Post Post #3879 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:26 am

You get the free gift because I like you and you're probably Town, plus I'm probably fucking rubbish at secrets.

TiphaineDeath · Post Post #3880 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:11 am

wait, why is venmar not voting mac...

Andrius · Post Post #3881 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:21 am

TOWN
Desperado
Ghostlin

Saki

mutleyddmc
mastin2
Venmar

Nachomamma8
FasterThanLight

LEANING SCUM
TiphanieDeath
BROseidon
zMuffinMan
AJ The Epic

SCUM

RachMarie

nickthename

mac
Trust Fund

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU

BeautyandtheBeast

Malakittens

SoundofSilence

IF I CLOSE MY EYES FOREVER

Andrius · Post Post #3882 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:24 am

In post 3880, TiphaineDeath wrote:wait, why is venmar not voting mac...

In post 3759, Venmar wrote:im really busy

but i had nice and loooooooooooooooooooooooong look at mac and i have decided the dude is town

vote: broseidon

Andrius · Post Post #3883 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:30 am

TOWN
Desperado
Ghostlin

Saki

mutleyddmc
mastin2
Venmar

Nachomamma8
FasterThanLight

TOWN VIA TEEHEE?
muffinman?
mac?

LEANING SCUM
TiphanieDeath
BROseidon
AJ The Epic

SCUM

RachMarie

nickthename

Trust Fund

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU

BeautyandtheBeast

Malakittens

SoundofSilence

So we have TF interacting with BROseidon and some form of vanillaize.
We have a chucklefuck (which is now a numerical descriptor) of people going:
A: B IS TOWN LIKE 1000000%
B: C IS TOWN LIKE 1000000%
C: D IS TOWN LIKE 1000000%
So I'm going to let that happen for now.
And am now just confused with where to proceed to next.

IF I CLOSE MY EYES FOREVER
WILL IT ALL REMAIN THE SAME?

Andrius · Post Post #3884 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:34 am

CONSOLIDATED READS LIST:

TOWN
Desperado
Ghostlin

Saki

mutleyddmc
mastin2
Venmar

Nachomamma8
FasterThanLight

muffinman
mac

SCUM

RachMarie

nickthename

Trust Fund
TiphanieDeath
BROseidon
AJ The Epic

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU

BeautyandtheBeast

Malakittens

SoundofSilence

IF I CLOSE MY EYES FOREVER
WILL IT ALL REMAIN UNCHANGED?
IF I CLOSE MY EYES FOREVER
WILL IT ALL REMAIN THE SAME?

Malakittens · Post Post #3885 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:47 am

I'll explain why Mastin's town when I get home.

Fwiw: B&TB were town reading Boro. I need to think that over. I could be wrong with my scum read on him.

Also Muffin explain your vote on me and can you explain why Ghost is town? I don't see him being town, sorry.

mastin2 · Post Post #3886 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:50 am

In post 3722, Andrius wrote:SCUM
mastin

RachMarie

nickthename

Venmar

Andy, there's a problem with your scum list. Here, let me give you a hint.

In post 3722, Andrius wrote:SCUM

nickthename

You are not SpyreX, and this is not a bastard game.

In post 3740, Andrius wrote:Though yes mastin being a body would be awesome right now.

Oh, it's happening, but it'll be via scum nightkill tonight.

In post 3727, Desperado wrote:
In post 3715, mastin2 wrote:VOTE: Mac.
This doesn't seem like you. What's your angle on Mac?

I was looking for something. Specific reactions, in fact. I've got what I need, now, sooooo...
UNVOTE: Mac. (Mac's town.)

VOTE: Malakittens.
(Mala's not.

)

Desperado · Post Post #3887 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:57 am

Unvote

Why isn't she?

mastin2 · Post Post #3888 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:58 am

In post 2768, mastin2 wrote:TOWN:
notscience
Venmar
Mac
TiphaineDeath
Ghostlin
Trust Fund

Faster Than Light
zMuffinMan
Skullduggery/Mutley
Aj The Epic

Tiers 1 and 2. (Trust Fund is borderline 2, but I'm listing them as 1.)

What does that leave?
{Andrius, BROseidon, Nachomamma8, Malakittens, Desperado}

Those five. I can equally guarantee all the remaining scum are in those. five. names.

Now I don't think they're all scum, but four of them pretty much have to be.

Slightly updated. You'll note that Desp has been bumped down quite a few notches, and that Mac's in my tier 1 town-list, now. There are other minor changes, but you get the idea.

Scumreads are, roughly, strongest to weakest:
Malakittens
Nachomamma8
BROseidon
Desperado
Andrius

...Though honestly, the last three are pretty dang interchangeable. BROseidon and Desperado definitely are. And I can't tell with Andrius at all.

mastin2 · Post Post #3889 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:59 am

In post 3887, Desperado wrote:
Unvote

Why isn't she?

POE, lack of towniness, back interactions, basically, the stuff in my iso and all the other various cases against her.

Desperado · Post Post #3890 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:06 am

In post 3889, mastin2 wrote:
In post 3887, Desperado wrote:
Unvote

Why isn't she?
POE, lack of towniness, back interactions, basically, the stuff in my iso and all the other various cases against her.

Oh. I figured after you and Vars failed to get a wagon on her yesterday you might be bringing something new to the table.

Andrius · Post Post #3891 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:20 am

@mastin: The dead people are staying where they are for transparency. That's what I thought of them when they died.

Aj The Epic · Post Post #3892 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:21 am

Spoiler: Andy

I haven't even posted and you're all over the place on me.

In post 3700, BROseidon wrote:Haven't had a chance to do any rereading to recalibrate reads, so stuff is really wonky right now. Scumlist right now looks like:

Scum:

Mala
Venmar

These are more
based on the Rach flip than anything else
, so the Nick flip didn't weaken these too much. The Mala read is stronger than the Venmar one, though.

Possibly Scum:

AJ
Andy
Desp
Mac
Nacho
TD
TF

Town:

FTL
Ghost
Mastin
Mutt
Muffin

I'm hoping that I'll either get a chance to do rereads soon, or that today will shed light on that middle group. Hoping to pull two solid scumreads from that middle group, and I have a few ideas on where to look to start. Nacho scum exonerates Venmar, btw. I don't think they can be together on a scumteam.

As far as what happened day 1 goes, it's either that scum found the Andy counterwagon more juicy (which would be strange, given the vote counts you just posted), or there was a last-ditch effort to give a weak Andy slot towncred once scum saw that Rach was going down. Given the way that Andy coasted through yesterday, I think that would be a good place to apply pressure today.

Other than Mala, of course. I still want her head.

VOTE: EVIL KITTENS

Bro, this makes little sense. Your differing conviction from beginning to end makes very little sense especially when I know you want to hard scum read mala. Why does it come off as if you have no strong opinion on scum?

In post 3701, zMuffinMan wrote:
i don't think mala is scum, and i will probably replace out if a repeat of d2 happens today with mala instead of nick. i'm not interested in arguing why mala is a bad lynch, and i don't expect to hear any good responses to the objections i have against it. venmar is also a horrible candidate at this point.

i will say this, though. in light of the nick flip, mala's d2 posts look townish, and the fact that she never showed any interest in jumping on the nick wagon is a good sign.

my guess is that even lynching randomly from those on the nick wagon would more likely hit scum than a mala lynch.

which reminds me. i want to hear why people think the nick wagon stalled so hard d2. i recall hearing a lot about how it was so obviously a town-driven wagon.

1. I'm constantly disappointed by how hard you are to communicate to, as you've got this "Fuck you all" persona going for anyone who disagrees with you. I prefer not to deal with that, I tried once, disliked it and quit.

2. Can you give me a specific post? Mala more or less was rather inactive towards the end of day 2, having made a prod dodge at the very end of the day. If anything, I'd say today she's posted town to what I know accurately, but this didn't exist day 1.

I'll post more once I'm on a more reliable internet.

Andrius · Post Post #3893 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:23 am

It got you to post so I'm happy.
Honestly you should probably just go back in the category under nacho and we can call it a day since I've got scumreads left to burn.
Was one of those WHO DO I THINK HASNT BEEN POSTING AND COULD BE LURKERSCUM?

Malakittens · Post Post #3894 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:54 am

Does anyone understand the reason why everyone scum reading me is that you are all wrong on your reads on me and scum are using this to their advantage.

Mastin, for everything that is good in the world STOP TUNNELING ME!

AJ, I posted reads Day 1. I was sick towards the end of Day 2 and I'm still sick, but feeling a bit better.
My day 1 reads weren't perfect, but that's what I had..

BROseidon · Post Post #3895 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:39 am

In post 3892, Aj The Epic wrote:Bro, this makes little sense. Your differing conviction from beginning to end makes very little sense especially when I know you want to hard scum read mala. Why does it come off as if you have no strong opinion on scum?

I wouldn't say that it's differing conviction. I feel strongly that Mala is scum. I have a few other things that I don't want to reveal because ~reasons~. Other than that, I'm feeling isolated and confused. I've been under attack for the entire duration of this game, and I've been trying to defend myself adequately while still pushing to find scum. The nick/bnb flips and some other stuff has made me come to realize that I need to recalibrate. I'm hoping to skim through the entire game again, or various chunks of it, to hopefully glean a better understanding of the gamestate.

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3896 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:49 am

In post 3894, Malakittens wrote:Does anyone understand the reason why everyone scum reading me is that you are all wrong on your reads on me and scum are using this to their advantage.

Elaborate.

Also,
UNVOTE:

I won't be around for awhile.

My stomach hurts.

Venmar · Post Post #3897 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:44 pm

so little time to post

just going drop this here: TD and Mac are confirmed town atm

Malakittens · Post Post #3898 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:06 pm

This is why Mastin is town.

Read this ISO from this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=26140

it's very similar to how Mastin is acting here. He's town. There is no room for error.

@Mac:

I got a question for you.

Was your neighborize a day time or night time action? Which phrase # did you do it?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3899 (ISO) » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:57 pm

mala

how many scum do you think were on/off the nick wagon yesterday?

[10] nickthename (Nachomamma8, BROseidon, Aj The Epic, Trust Fund, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mutleyddmc, Mac, Desperado, Faster Than Light)
[4] Malakittens (Ghostlin, nickthename, mastin2, zMuffinMan)
[2] BROseidon (Malakittens, Venmar)
[1] Mac (TiphaineDeath)
[1] Andrius (Andrius)