Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 2.05:

Imperium - BBmolla, Rach, Titus, Desp, Minions (L-2)

Not voting - Ice, Toasty, Toogeloo, keyblade, Imperium, f-16, Bulb

With 12 alive it takes 7 to elect an HoH. Currently Imperium will be made the HoH as they have the most votes.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-23 16:00:42) or by 3:00 PM on September 23rd, 2013

keybladewielder is V/LA until Saturday.

[Bulbazak]

Someone tell me when they will be here so we can quick hammer Imperium.

In a hurry for the day to end?

[Imperium]

Someone tell me when they will be here so we can quick hammer Imperium.

In a hurry for the day to end?

Did you miss earlier discussion, or...?

[Imperium]

ICEGUY
WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I'd go with an Iceguy lynch as well but I am not sold on Bulba's frustration being town. Scum can get frustrated too if caught.

[RachMarie]

meh I am always an easy mislynch I think I am the only person ever to be lynched on day 1 after claiming a N 1 doc in Diffusion of Power setup by SEVEN townies ....

Nacho is one of the very few who generally reads me correctly.

I still stand by my vote of Imperium for HoH

I still say my top scumspects are Minions (stronger read) and Des (weaker read) but not both together.

BB is prob town (though mistaken)

Falcon is also prob town.

[IceGuy]

ICEGUY
WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU

I'm here.

[Imperium]

Oh yay! Look everybody IceGuy is here. He's not contributing at all and being as helpful as his predecessor, but he's here!

Give him a round of applause.

Now, IceGuy why'd you vote Gnomeo over desperado?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Desperado's theory is unsubstantiated. He says that he should be evicted so as to prove two of me, Rach, Toog as scum. But the problem is, even if he is town, his eviction and subsequent townflip doesn't prove anything of that sort. If he really thought 2 of us were scum, he could just continue to stay alive and use his persuasive ability to convince others that we are scum. Why suggest that he die? Seems like a WIFOM tactic.

[Desperado]

Desperado's theory is unsubstantiated. He says that he should be evicted so as to prove two of me, Rach, Toog as scum. But the problem is, even if he is town, his eviction and subsequent townflip doesn't prove anything of that sort. If he really thought 2 of us were scum, he could just continue to stay alive and use his persuasive ability to convince others that we are scum. Why suggest that he die? Seems like a WIFOM tactic.

So why did scum bus Gnomeo last night?

[IceGuy]

Oh yay! Look everybody IceGuy is here. He's not contributing at all and being as helpful as his predecessor, but he's here!

That's always me in early game. I'm not that good when there are a lot of people around.

Now, IceGuy why'd you vote Gnomeo over desperado?

Because, after ISOing the both of them, I felt Gnomeo was more scummy.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Desperado's theory is unsubstantiated. He says that he should be evicted so as to prove two of me, Rach, Toog as scum. But the problem is, even if he is town, his eviction and subsequent townflip doesn't prove anything of that sort. If he really thought 2 of us were scum, he could just continue to stay alive and use his persuasive ability to convince others that we are scum. Why suggest that he die? Seems like a WIFOM tactic.

So why did scum bus Gnomeo last night?

Likely because they felt that there was a lot more support for his lynch and it would allow them to get whatever towncred they can.

[Desperado]

So if I'm scum, who is the liar and who is the busser?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

No idea. But if you are town, why would you assume that all scum voted for you as opposed to bus?

[Desperado]

No idea. But if you are town, why would you assume that all scum voted for you as opposed to bus?

Because I don't think there was any reason to buss when they can lie about who they voted. A town-scum nomination N1 with the scum going down is really, really bad for the scum here. Gnomeo wasn't obviously scum, and I wasn't obviously town. "For the towncred" isn't a proper justification for bussing when the scum can and did lie about who they voted--no one's Gnomeo vote is legitimate.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

If that is the case, why didn't the people that voted for you that you are calling scum lie?

[Desperado]

If that is the case, why didn't the people that voted for you that you are calling scum lie?

Because they thought they wouldn't have to?

Like I said, the are both pushing the "Gnomeo/Desp as a scum/scum nomination" narrative along with Titus.

[ToastyToast]

I'm sort of unsure about voting Imperium again. I still think its unwise to vote someone HoH twice in a row, as it gives one person who could still be scum too much control. I'm fairly sure he's town, but I'd rather have someone like F-16 be HoH

[Toogeloo]

Because I don't think there was any reason to buss when they can lie about who they voted.

So, what reason would the 3 people who have claimed to have voted you tell the truth about it if it would have been just as easy to lie?

[IceGuy]

The way we should be doing this is pseudovoting for people we want to lynch and directing the HoH to do what we want to do. No danger in a scum HoH in this situation.

[Imperium]

Because, after ISOing the both of them, I felt Gnomeo was more scummy.

Why?

[Desperado]

Because I don't think there was any reason to buss when they can lie about who they voted.

So, what reason would the 3 people who have claimed to have voted you tell the truth about it if it would have been just as easy to lie?

Since you're jumping in in the middle of the conversation, can you tell me what you think happened?

[Minions]

Yes I do think Rach is irrationally scum reading us because we're not revealing our heads. I feel like this is her only actual case on us and she even says we're intentionally doing it because we call her Rach, so we know her and we're doing this so she cant read us.

I think Rach should be nominated tonight


Someone lied about voting Gnomeo, so Im pretty sure Desp is town for that. Why would they scum lie about who they voted for if both nominees were scum? Doesnt make sense to me at all.

~ Dave

[Minions]

Well sure scum can lie about who they voted. But we'd see it anyway, so lying would put more pressure if the scum was already under pressure to begin with.

[IceGuy]

Because, after ISOing the both of them, I felt Gnomeo was more scummy.

Why?

I didn't like how he gave full reads rather early in the game.