So, I want to put some narrative up front on this. My impression of PA's play day 1 was that she goes after easy targets and hedges so I wanted to confirm or refute that. Almost right off the bat, Squilly came under fire for what looked logic failes and sketchy to nonexistant reasoning for his votes/stances. That's the kind of stuff I like to watch - to see who jumps on the obvnewbs or VIs and where they go as the game progresses.
In post 20, penguin_alien wrote:...so you think Amrun could be scum, but ChannelDelibird is scum for voting him. Uh-huh.
VOTE: Squilly
Like several others, she jumped here.
In post 132, penguin_alien wrote:I see where people say Squilly was scum-hunting, but it still seems like
the kind of fake scum hunting scum like to do
. Jason reads sketchy to me, but that might be residual paranoia from our last game together. LnGrrrR's reaction to the wagon looks worse than the reason he was wagoned in the first place.
This was a characterization with no backup really. She hedges on both Squilly and Jason in this post. Also, added some fuel to the LnGrrrR FoS fest that was happeneing at the time.
In post 190, penguin_alien wrote:I'll see what Squilly's replacement does.
UNVOTE: Squilly
Stubbs, what's your rationale for voting Squilly-slot over JasonWazza?
I liked that she backed off when Squilly was being replaced. But, I thought this could be another move toward low hanging fruit and wondered why she didn't push Jason more at this point.
In post 239, penguin_alien wrote:Tempted to put Stubbs at L-1. Much as I thought Squilly was scummy, and Marquis is pinging oddly, that Stubbs and LnGrrrR are on the wagon makes me uneasy. Whereas I like nearly all of the Stubbs wagon participants. Will see what Stubbs has to say when he gets back in here.
This looked like she was keeping her options open on the two main suspects at the time.
In post 253, penguin_alien wrote: In post 240, StubbsKVM wrote:penguin alien wrote:Stubbs, what's your rationale for voting Squilly-slot over JasonWazza?
Pressure votes don't seem to work on Jason.
But if he's a scum read, he's a scum read and thus worth voting. And pressure votes without follow-up pressure aren't super-useful.
VOTE: Stubbs
L-1
On reread, this one particularly stood out, because she'd FoSed Jason herself but didn't pressure him. So if votes don't work, how do you sort someone? She addressed very little to Jason on day 1 and seemed content to let a scumspect slide here.
In post 289, penguin_alien wrote:I don't think I've played with town-Jason, but his pointed comments and veneer of...being infalliable? are reminiscent of his scum play from the large Mainstream game where he snowed us town. I don't have town reads on Marquis or LnGrrrR, but I don't trust Jason at all right now.
UNVOTE: Stubbs
VOTE: JasonWazza
But, here she does vote, at a point in the game where he was picking up votes from others.
In post 311, penguin_alien wrote:UNVOTE: JasonWazza
Not sure which claim makes more sense. Given the different action sets, the Filch claim is more in keeping with flavor, and IIRC, all the town PRs in the first HP game were adult characters.
I liked this post. It looked like genuinely trying to sort the two JOAT claims.
In post 318, penguin_alien wrote: In post 312, ChannelDelibird wrote:Losing a post sucks but you do need to explain your reaction to Stubbs's claim at an absolute minimum.
PEdit: p_a, why does one have to make more sense than the other?
Two JOAT claims. Could be town-town, town-scum, or scum-scum. Considering how much sense either of them makes is kind of the point. Jason not addressing the other JOAT claim is sketchy, and I'd rather not speculate further until he does, as it seems like we have more time now.
Another hedgy post.
In post 380, penguin_alien wrote:I'd vote for LnGrrrR or Marquis, but I want to think more about it. If we're not touching the JOAT claims yet, that stands a decent chance of eating up our margin of error, which makes it more important to lynch right here.
In post 432, penguin_alien wrote: In post 423, fferyllt wrote: In post 318, penguin_alien wrote: In post 312, ChannelDelibird wrote:Losing a post sucks but you do need to explain your reaction to Stubbs's claim at an absolute minimum.
PEdit: p_a, why does one have to make more sense than the other?
Two JOAT claims. Could be town-town, town-scum, or scum-scum. Considering how much sense either of them makes is kind of the point. Jason not addressing the other JOAT claim is sketchy, and I'd rather not speculate further until he does, as it seems like we have more time now.
P_A, on reread this post kind of pings, that you included scum-scum.
What made you think this could be a possibility?
Their interactions with one another's wagons weren't super-organic, especially Jason's intent to hammer. And neither one really pushed the other on the claim conflict the way I'd expect town to if someone else impinged on their role. (She says, from the perspective of having had scum accidentally receive my town character as a fakeclaim and subsequently flipping out. And that was just character, not the role name) If one flipped scum, our inclination would be to let the other slide. Plus, Nexus loves giving scum daytalk, which makes that kind of maneuver easier to coordinate.
Having said that, the part where LnGrrrR claimed an adult character with a PR and knowing that the PRs were with non-child characters last game (don't know what Peeves is) makes me inclined to believe Jason over Stubbs. So I'd lynch Marquis to avoid a no-lynch, but I think I like the Stubbs wagon better.
Didn't like this not organic argument. Sorting claims like this always seems awkward to me, and I've seen enough duplicate or near duplicate roles in games at MS that I tend to to assume it's moderator-planned mind-fuckery.
In post 538, penguin_alien wrote: In post 533, LnGrrrR wrote:@Jason,
Here's the plan. Either scumhunt, or give results, or no protection for you, because you haven't done one towny thing yet this game.
@Rach, what are your current reads.
@PA, you had Stubbs and I as pinging scumdar yesterDay. Who is pinging now?
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My thoughts on scum blocking Stubbs still stand from earlier. I don't think you're scum since, like I said, it makes little sense for you to start undermining CDB and then NK him. Maybe if he was a threat to others on your team and flips bear that out, but it's a point against you being scum. Your hop on Toomai is lazy, but not necessarily scummy, and it does seem to have prodded him into activity.
MSG spends a lot of time asking for other's opinions in a way that comes off as him looking for someone to sheep blame-free. He almost never gives opinions on other people's play; instead he asks them to see what they think of said people. I'd quote it from his ISO, but it's an easy read for anyone who cares to do so.
VOTE: MSG
This struck me as maybe another run at low-hanging fruit.
Amid the pressure of great events, a general principle gives no help.
On the path to becoming yourself, you'll need to choose alignment over validation from others, peace over addictive chaos, and being misunderstood over false acceptance. --TheHolisticPsychologist
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