Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[Generic]

You worry me a lot bert.

[projectmatt]

I'll take it. Thanks.

[Bert]

You worry me a lot bert.

1) read my old games and then decide if I'm being genuine OR

2) go with what others are reading me as - there are quite a few here with lots of experience with me

[Bert]

*disappears back into hole* P.S. links I will give you if you want and have time. Especially since you don't trust Nacho, and therefore his read does not hold much weight with you

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.10

Inte [4] - Ms Marangal, projectmatt, Nachomamma8, Bert
projectmatt[3] - Shadoweh, Generic, qwints

Not Voting [4] - Empire, inte, The Purple Shoe, Tammy

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

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Deadline is September 15, 2013, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-09-15 13:00:00)

[Generic]

You just seem to latch on to people, gain their trust and steer their lynch, then go and throw suspicion on people the moment they aren't sheeping you... It is a real concern.

And forcing your meta apon me to form my opinion is not winning back this concern...

[projectmatt]

Generic, you never replied to my response to you. Why?

[Generic]

What was I supposed to reply to?

[inte]

FTR, I REALLY don't like Bert. Don't like as in everything coming from his mouth seems fake. Let it be known.

[inte]

Self meta arguments are ALWAYS garbage.

[inte]

"Come on you know meee!"

[inte]

And while I don't have a totally informed opinion about this game I know one thing for sure and that's Nachos presence when the game started and now are totally different

[Bert]

^scum flailing

let it be known

was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I won't anymore

you still have no overall opinion about the game but sling mud at Nacho and myself, and you have been in this game how long now??? It's not like you truly have no time to play in this game.

and I'm back because I'm defending, not because I want to talk.

You just seem to latch on to people, gain their trust and steer their lynch, then go and throw suspicion on people the moment they aren't sheeping you... It is a real concern.

And forcing your meta apon me to form my opinion is not winning back this concern...

The feeling is mutual. I recognize what your saying and that's actually pretty valid paranoia. The feeling is mutual, by the way, because I'm worried as hell about you (I don't remember right now which neighborhood you're in, but not the "cleared" one people are talking about if I recall correctly).

That type of "almost mod-kill" and blow-up D1 should not clear you for the rest of the game. Just laying it out there. You might be scum. You are not conftown by any stretch. I just watched one game end where a vastly experienced player played on an alt and pretended to be a newb who misread his Vanilla townie PM and said it out loud like a true newb. Your behavior D1 may not have seemed appropriate for the game or for a scum player, but I will not discount you as possible scum. I'm judging you on your play D2 now. D1 is gone, and you do not get bonus points for D1.

[Bert]

Tammy feels very town, not confident in reading her

Empire feels town, again not that confident in reading Tammy/Empire

Nacho starting to lean towards town if Desp was Mafia (not SK)

Purple/Inte are just annoyingly quiet (the opposite of me who is annoyingly talkative)

I actually think Purple is worse than Inte, fwiw

Mara I feel very null about, but the PR claim *shrug*

qwints - didn't like his/her predecessor, but he/she feels like Scumhunter's Speed qwints, Nacho, tend to think town

matt - gut doesn't like you, and you haven't spoken your reads with much conviction. And this thing that there's no logic to the cases on you is not what I Expected from you. I expect you to keep doing your own thing, keep giving us cases to look at. Not just waste posts on a lousy defense that says "(with attitude) you've got nothing on me, this is ridiculous."

Let me expand on this.

Purple kind of disappeared today and is generally avoiding this game. Doesn't make sense to me, especially from a town standpoint for Mutley.

Inte barely comments at all throughout the day, and buys time until near deadline to throw some random accusations around about TWO people, without commenting about anyone else or showing that he/she knows what's going on in the game.

Matt - actually looks better gut-wise with the last few responses, enough for me to want him to live today for sure - that lurker duo on the other hand can just die, because we aren't getting anything from them anytime soon by the way things are going

Nacho - if it weren't for the Desperado lynch, I'd be very paranoid about him. I still am (at times I think he is town, at times I think he is scum, and then I assure myself that the Desperado lynch was orchestrated by Nacho, but then I realize that he is very manipulative as scum and will buss to look beautiful), but I'm not willing to risk being wrong about that on D2 with a few other fish in the sea that look so much worse

qwints - is lovers, right? so no point in discussing him/her. was my biggest scumread after re-skimming N1. His play has seemed on par with that where I scum-read him when he was town in Scumhunter's Speed. Lurky, votes without much reason, etc. etc., whereas his scum game I read was nothing alike...much more manipulative, talkative, articulate... that's the impression I get

Tammy - town especially with the doctor/watcher claim, I (sorry) expect her to die soon

Mara - poisoner is a risky thing to out as :/ had her as null going into today, still null and I dont'feel great about her but she's a claimed PR

Empire - *seems* town but I'm not thrilled with how aggressive he has been. Not as decisive as I have liked, and has generally waited till the deadline on BOTH days to lay down a definitive vote that "won't move" Therefore, very much null-town

THAT is where I stand.

[inte]

I'm not even trying to stop my lynch but go ahead make it easier for you to get lynched

[Bert]

EBWOP: I forgot about Shadoweh and Generic

Shadoweh doesn't worry me since she's "dead" or so is expected to die, just want to see her flip for info

Generic - is confusing and, much like the blacklist towntell of Mutley on D1, he is up for debate tomorrow. As is Shoe. No free passes, buddy.

Town b/c claim: <Mara, qwints, Tammy>

Confused about my read: <Empire, Nacho, Generic>

Leaning scum but not as strongly as before: <projectmatt>

Scumspect pool for D2: <Inte, Shoe>

Reading as scum, but doesn't matter anymore: <Shadoweh>

Also, I have weird feelings about Garantula still, and that does factor into my read on Matt.

But yeah, Empire Nacho and Generic confuse me and I think that's what we HAVE to discuss once the two lurker peoples are either dead or near-dead. Leavnig one alive is fine, but two is UGH no. thanks

[Bert]

I'm not even trying to stop my lynch but go ahead make it easier for you to get lynched

HAHAHA

As if I have problems getting lynched, I get lynched rather easily actually

I'm not worried about myself getting easily lynched, but at least I'm giving reads and trying to weasel out of it without a few one-liners and ZERO game-related comments

How many comments have you managed to provide today that might help us figure you out or vice versa?

I can't remember a single one or anything that's meaningful or substantiated.

What you CAN do in the remaining time is just SKIM or at least get a feel for people and tell us who you think pings your scumdar, aside from me and Nacho.

Come on dude

[inte]

"Give me the reads other than what you've already given me"

Fuck off

[Tammy]

Okay I'm here and trying to look back at some things. I'm extremely sick right now and have just taken some medicine; if I write something that is nothing but gibberish, I'm sorry.

[inte]

I already know why you're getting worried

You know you're next when I flip.

[Tammy]

Mara, Nacho, Generic,

Peacebringer

qwints,

Garantula

projectmatt <--That's the town block.

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Inte

Is anyone familiar with desperado's scum game? Would he be likely to put a partner in his town block?

[Bert]

Being cheeky and uncooperative isn't helping you any

You know that, right?

*shrug*

If you were town, you'd be helping us sort people out

*shakes head*

[Bert]

^that was to Inte, who just told me to "f off"

Lol simul post

[Tammy]

You know it's possible that characters were named in Desperado's role pm and that's why he knew about the months name with the Wingates. Though Mara is April right? Also, Kuribo said that his role pm mentioned that he was invited by May Wingate, so there's that too.

[Tammy]

Nacho, you seem to be acting differently than in the newbie game. Why?

Well shit then. Still, I can make the comparison with the other game of mine he was in. Pretend I did that.

I don't think I'm supposed to link to it; it's ongoing. It's still okay for me to reference it like that though, right?

I think this is why people were townreading garantula/projectmatt