Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Ghostlin]

This is why Mastin is town.

Read this ISO from this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=26140

it's very similar to how Mastin is acting here. He's town. There is no room for error.

@Mac:

I got a question for you.

Was your neighborize a day time or night time action? Which phrase # did you do it?

... Sigh Mastin. Let's ignore me asking you to stop death tunneling me. I'm not scum. This is really getting old and annoying. It's these type of things in games that make me want to stop playing.

Also someone said TD is conf-town, how is that? I can understand TF, but not TD. I have a town read on TD, but I'm not going to sit here and call him conf-town though.

Problem is, Mala, there's literally nobody else off the nick wagon who can realistically be scum. This isn't a death-tunnel. This is pure. simple. logic and POE.
I'm not scum, Ghostlin isn't scum, nick flipped town, Venmar is town, TiphaineDeath is town. That leaves you, Muffin, and Andrius. Muffin's a decently-solid townread of mine, and I'm beginning to come around finally to Andrius being town as well. There's really nobody it can be other than you. (Heck, the Rach wagon's similar. I fully believe most of the scum bussed her.)

And your pushing of TD not being conftown yet having TD as a townread is even more evidence against you.

Simply put, I feel the game's been put into a lockdown and all we have to figure out is the remaining three scum who're on the nick wagon among the five names I listed. (Nacho obviously being one of them. Leaning towards Desp being another. But {BRO, Aj, Trust Fund}, I'm not as convinced on.) I legitimately feel like this could be (aside from the nick lynch as a necessary sacrifice to expose the scum) a perfect town win if we can fully sort this out.

How is asking why someone is conf-town in someone's eyes "me trying to push TD not being conftown"? I asked a question why. I think he's town, but I'm not going to call him conftown without some type of results. I don't see how it's any evidence against me.

It's okay when I flip town it's going to look horribly bad for you. You are trying too and keep trying to push a lynch off of PoE among other things.

Town DOESN'T WISH THIS ON FELLOW TOWN. THERE'S A FUCKING COGNITIVE DISSONANCE ARGUMENT HERE, BUT I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO FUCKING MAKE IT.

Vote: Mala

[zMuffinMan]

#3913 is mostly in line with the conclusion i've come to, except i'm leaving AJ in the pool of possible scum. nacho-desperado-bro or nacho-desperado-AJ? not really important to figure out today.

@Muffin:

I think it's Ghostlin off the wagon. You can't ask me to answer something and make me eliminate a choice. I have slight townreads or townreads on most people off the wagon.

the problem is i am almost certain ghostlin is town. i'm asking you to answer it because there is almost no way i can see ghostlin being scum atm, and if by some miracle he is lynched and flips town, i want to know who you'd think is scum off the nick wagon.

[Malakittens]

Just no, this game is a no.

[Faster Than Light]

meow

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA until Tuesday

Hopefully gonna be back monday but you never know.

[zMuffinMan]

i'm curious as to why AJ isn't jumping for joy that mala is a viable lynch.

two posts today, nothing of substance in them, no vote on mala.

[Faster Than Light]

game dead?

you'd think that there would be as much hype as there were in xenoblade

[zMuffinMan]

you're not even voting

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 3.2

[4] Malakittens (BROseidon, zMuffinMan, mastin2, Ghostlin)
[1] BROseidon (Venmar)
[1] Desperado (Mac)
[1] Mac (TiphaineDeath)

[9] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, Nachomamma8, Malakittens, notscience, Mutleyddmc, Trust Fund, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light)

With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-25 10:00:00)

notscience, Mutleyddmc, Trust Fund = prodded

[notscience]

Ugh I keep forgetting this game >.>

[Aj The Epic]

i'm curious as to why AJ isn't jumping for joy that mala is a viable lynch.

Actually, I was going to before reading through the full day, but her approach seemed greatly altered. I was going to sit on it a while. The exchange between her and bro was interesting in the fact that it made bro look awful and mala look townie when put in a vacuum. I've been re-reading her and sitting for today just to make sure I'm not going confirmation bias on her with Rach.

[BROseidon]

NS you are the worst.

Also, muffin and mastin, you are scumreading both me and Mala. You would have to conclude that I've been hard-bussing the slot all game. Is this correct, and would you still push for me tomorrow if Mala flips scum?

[BROseidon]

Actually, I was going to before reading through the full day, but her approach seemed greatly altered. I was going to sit on it a while. The exchange between her and bro was interesting in the fact that it made bro look awful and mala look townie when put in a vacuum. I've been re-reading her and sitting for today just to make sure I'm not going confirmation bias on her with Rach.

How does it make me look awful and Mala look townie?

[zMuffinMan]

You would have to conclude that I've been hard-bussing the slot all game. Is this correct, and would you still push for me tomorrow if Mala flips scum?

it's hardly "hard-bussing the slot all game" when you took the first opportunity to jump on nick for weak reasoning and you were practically non-existent D1. but yes, i am considering the possibility you are bussing at the moment. and i'm not sure whether or not i'd be pushing for you tomorrow if she flips scum, it would depend on what happens between now and then.

[Aj The Epic]

This needed a spoiler. Mainly for bro.

Spoiler:

Bro, you've had a surprisingly awful start today. Here's the posts:
3700: Your post about scum reading venmar and mala, mainly off the rach wagon (100+ pages back?) and sound completely uncommitted to both until the bottom where you start your rage.
I thought 3723's last sentence felt of hypocrisy (asking muffin to stop going after you) when technically, you are tunneling mala and should be prepared to receive what you deal.
Mala refuted pretty well 3734, and although I still don't like that "Lol Policy lynch" post and that is a legitimate reason to scum read, you came up with some pretty awful short posts after (the drunk post... even though andrius did the same thing and was called town for it, comes to mind)

1) Whining about nobody listening to her.
2) "Oh my wagon might be town driven." Watch me sit on this fence and not actually try to analyze anything.
3) "Let me sit on the fence about Nick more"
4) "Let me make an unsubstantiated claim about BRO because the NK points to him being scum, despite the fact that the NK makes sense for a fuckton of other people as scum as well given that SoS was a huge threat to any scumteam."
5) "Let me both fencesit and have a weak read on Ghost"
6) "Let me just discredit what Mac is saying"
7) "Let me fencesit some more"

This was particularly bad attempt to paraphrase or misrep as it bears very little to the actual content to said quoted mala post.

Counter on FTL with

thez,

Mala,

Skull,

TD,

Nick

. Thez and Nick have both flipped town, and Mutt is a strong townread. Mala is currently my main scumread, and I've grown wary of TD, so that makes me feel pretty good here, so Mala>TD in terms of likeliness of scum pushing counterwagon.

Counter on

mastin

of Venmar, TF, myself,

nick

, TD. Venmar is currently a scumread and I'm wary of both TD and TF. Venmar>TF>TD

Counter on Andy then forms.

BnB, SoS, NS

are the first three on it, and they're all town. Mala and TF could be scum trying to push a town counter-wagon further, which would fit with the FTL and

mastin

wagons.

How does this make sense in the context of the point your making? It makes it look like mastin's wagon was scum driven with you on it, and FTL's was town driven, lacking you. This almost works for Trust fund better because the delivery looks like you're mashing issues together and trying to force an answer that does not exist to this equation.

BnB re-pushes nick wagon. Looks town driven. Mastin>FTL for scum there

This is incredibly bad. Period. There is nothing here that looks good.

D2BRO: i think mala is scum for x, y, z, BUT i think one of nick and bnb is scum, and bnb is pushing a nick lynch, so i will join bnb and vote nick, even though nobody agrees that my reasoning for thinking one of bnb/nick is scum is sound.

if you think this isn't an accurate representation, tell me why.

You're missing the parts where I townread bnb, and the momentum swung to the nick wagon.

I'm sorry that I compromised on a lynch to read a scumread over a scumread. Wait...

Also, I would have pushed bnb at today's start had they not been NK'd. Scum made my life easier there.

I was reading bnb as town because I was reading nick as scum. Once nick flipped town, I felt I needed to slow down. I wanted to push bnb today so that I'd see whether I was wrong, but scum answered that question for me.

And why do scum like calling something TvS when they know it's TvT? Why wouldn't they call it TvT to build towncred?

Also, I need to step back and find time to get a reread in. I'm starting to doubt a few of my reads at both ends...

Well talk about flipping back and forth.

BnB goes town to being pressured today to town if nick is scum. But, you have BnB being scum because nick town, saying you would 'have to back off' yet this didn't happen. So what you've done is lied twice in two different ways, one about your bnb read and two about how you were playing this day. You certainly didn't back off to re-access your reads today, just pushed forward. That's the mistake I'm worried of right now. Especially seeing what you've done not making any adjustments.

[zMuffinMan]

what are your current reads, AJ?

i thought the only reason you were fine with lynching nick is because you wanted to lynch mala today.

why are you not voting anyone?

[BROseidon]

This was particularly bad attempt to paraphrase or misrep as it bears very little to the actual content to said quoted mala post.

What about it is bad or misrep? Make unsubstantiated claims more pls.

w does this make sense in the context of the point your making? It makes it look like mastin's wagon was scum driven with you on it, and FTL's was town driven, lacking you. This almost works for Trust fund better because the delivery looks like you're mashing issues together and trying to force an answer that does not exist to this equation.

Town are often on scum-driven wagons; they have to be for a lynch to go through. Town-me could easily have been on wagons with other scum and not on wagons with town. Like, this is just basic counting.

This is incredibly bad. Period. There is nothing here that looks good.

How is this bad? I assigned relative probabilities. I didn't say how those probabilities lined up with other probabilities.

BnB goes town to being pressured today to town if nick is scum. But, you have BnB being scum because nick town, saying you would 'have to back off' yet this didn't happen. So what you've done is lied twice in two different ways, one about your bnb read and two about how you were playing this day. You certainly didn't back off to re-access your reads today, just pushed forward. That's the mistake I'm worried of right now. Especially seeing what you've done not making any adjustments.

This is just an outright lie. I have not flipped on my BnB read. I had "BnB or nick is scum, mutually exclusive. I think it's nick, so I'll vote there. Okay, turns out I was wrong, I'll have to push BnB tomorrow. Scum killed her and proved that I'm wrong." That is not me lying about anything. That is me having a thought process that attempts to recalibrate for new information because, *gasp*, I'm town and don't actually know who the scum are.

And I didn't back off of Venmar or Mala at the start because the Mala read was independent of the nick read, as was the Venmar read. You completely neglected to mention the part, however, where I FUCKING PUT EVERYONE IN THE NULL RANGE BECAUSE OF MY LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY THERE. However, stuff that's happened today that MALA HAS REACTED EXTREMELY POORLY TO implies that I can sort things out a bit better once I get a good chunk of time to reread a ton of shit with a few key points in mind.

[TiphaineDeath]

I am liking ghostlin and muffin less and less.

[zMuffinMan]

I am liking ghostlin and muffin less and less.

OK. get back to us when you start suspecting actual scum. bonus points if you do it before the game ends.

[Malakittens]

My reads are also changing due to new information yet I'm being berated for it.

My Andy read changed due to new information, my FTL changed due to new information (although I'm still waffling on it).

[mastin2]

i'm curious as to why AJ isn't jumping for joy that mala is a viable lynch.

Actually, I was going to before reading through the full day, but her approach seemed greatly altered. I was going to sit on it a while. The exchange between her and bro was interesting in the fact that it made bro look awful and mala look townie when put in a vacuum. I've been re-reading her and sitting for today just to make sure I'm not going confirmation bias on her with Rach.

Uh-huh.




Muffin, you're right. It's not {Nacho, Desp, BRO}.
It's {Nacho, Desp, Aj}.

[mastin2]

Also, muffin and mastin, you are scumreading both me and Mala. You would have to conclude that I've been hard-bussing the slot all game. Is this correct, and would you still push for me tomorrow if Mala flips scum?

Maybe. Depends on the circumstances and how things play out.

You look worse than Trust Fund, I'll give you that, but Aj's abysmally-bad attitude today compared to your more-reasonable (though still not great) attitude leaves the playing field more open with regards to which of you is scum.

Also, it's difficult to tell for sure (Beauty and the Beast didn't give a proper reads list in most of their later iso--yeah, sure, it's there, but so far back that it's basically obsolete), but I think they had Aj as scum and you as increasingly town, so there's also that in your favor. (Though, in a counter-point, SoS had the reverse be true, with you as scum and Aj as town.)

Though, purely going off of hopes (and not off of evidence), given the choice between you being scum and Aj being scum, I'd definitely hope for it to be Aj, and that admittedly might be biasing my read.

[mastin2]

Also a point in your favor is the fact that people who have scumread you are living longer than they should. (Such as me.)


Side-note, but I just remembered: mollie knows Nacho. She knows Nacho just as well as fferyllt does, if memory serves me. (Or maybe better. Idunno. mollie and ffery can argue in the dead QT I guess over the subject. ) And she died N2.

If, as I suspect, Nacho's the one spearheading the kills, I will say once more that he's killing people he knows will figure him out sooner rather than later. That'd certainly explain why people who by all rights should be dead (such as myself) have lived for so long: because Nacho needed to take out the players who he knows can read him better, roles be damned.

[mastin2]

Put another way--

Kill one person intimately familiar with Nacho, could be coincidence.
Kill two people intimately familiar with Nacho, almost certainly by design.

Regardless of Malakittens's flip (which I'm 95% certain is a scum-flip), Nacho is also scum and should be tomorrow's lynch. Especially if someone else familiar with him (e.g., me ) dies.

[BROseidon]

Mastin, three rocks make a wall.

Oh god I hope I'm not the only person who knows what that means.