Open 527 - Hard Boiled: Dixon Hill's Maudlin Madness

[Cait Sith]

but I thought that Mara didn't push on people her hydra partner thought was town and voted more in unison.

lolno

not entirely sure where you get this line of process, however I have tacked on votes that my hydra partner hasn't agree'd with

I've voted TIP in an open where Nero disagreed and kept moving the vote to someone else for example

Rachmaries micro? Sure that was day one, but day two after a scum flip you guys disagreed on who the last scum was and you didn't push your scum read because he thought it was someone else.

[Bert]

@Ceph: Who do you think is scum, then? Reads please at this point of the game?

My vote is going wherever CS's vote goes, at the end of the day. Now that stuff about this game is starting to come back to me (about why I thought what I thought, and what my initial re-skim made me feel), I have decided that CS will get my sheep vote.

[Cait Sith]

Regardless, you hydra with mala, ill get her take on that.

[Cephrir]

Re: metashift: I'm not going to talk about the direction yet because I might still do it. Suffice to say I've been waiting for a town role PM though.

I look forward to witnessing it!

I like the Dreams part of SD. The DP part set off a few alarms. We decided to put our vote there.

I thought DP's attack on NS left him smelling like roses, personally.

TF gets a scumread for not saying I'm obvtown

Yeah yeah whatevs.

Any reads?

Yeah, sorry. This game's been low on my priority list whatwith the nine other games I'm in right now. It's late, I'll get back to you tomorrow. Feel free to violently prod me if I don't.

I'm looking briefly at TF's trajectory on SD, and it does feel forced in the sense that at no point does it jive with everyone else's read. I believe this post is after SD made the first couple posts that put them on most of our scumdars, and TF has no problem with them. Yet.

TiP is town.
NS is town.
Violent Saxophone is town.
1baldeagle1 is town.

Still reading other players.

~SD

Lol.

Hey ns, remember when we were the hider and we got quicklynched day 1. and we did not claim in the previous iteration of Hard Boiled?
We were against the breaking tactic. I was against it because I thought Amrun was saying it for town cred. And where did that get us?

Remember Mala's Assassin in the Palace where YOU yourself suggested the breaking mechanic? And when I voted you for it, you said you were playing to win? What gives?

Not to mention you mention why I havent been here to discuss this when its pretty clear that we live on two different timezones. Its almost as if you were trying to imply something here.

Nonetheless, I think your reaction to the notion was bad.

VOTE: notscience

Yah dont waste your votes. Sheep me on ns. (No idea why Sal saying that warrants votes)

DP

I thought that the immediate attack on NS right after his partner declared a townread on him was pretty townish because I'd expect them to have some sort of coordination while scum, but DP's NS scumread would trump Sal's townread on him since DP and NS have hydra'ed together before. I also thought that the attack itself seemed like something scumDP would have trouble faking; he and NS were pretty much lynched last hardboiled because they were against gamebreaking and thought that Amrun was scum and pushed it in an extremely passionate way; NS lacking that same passion here is a red flag that makes sense and picking up on that would be immensely impressive for DP.

And what did you think of 222?

It wasn't that interesting to me. Why didn't you like it?

Xegarus and I are currently in talks about the game state and who we find suspicious. Stay tuned for a post in the next 12 hours.

Love, Bert

I'll be waiting, love!

Same here. Giving meta-related reasons to townread SD, though this is a little more legitimate.

Cephrir, CS, SD are the people I'm looking at today. Everybody else is looking pretty good.

Here's where I start to have a problem. Now that SD's stock is plummeting, TF starts hedging and preparing to get me and CS lynched down the line, because he now needs more mislynches. I think around this point they've realized SD may very well not make it through the day and they think they'll be the last scum standing.

"Cephrir-Odd guy. I like half his posts, I don't like the other half. Null for now,

with a minor town lean.

"

- Natirasha

Translation: I'm not calling my partner town because its too obvious. I'll read him as null-town even if my statement says null because i want to a) find an easy way to potentially distance and b) subtly make people think he's town

My issue here is the fact that it was one of those "weak, not willing to give info" reads that scum LOVE to impart onto buddies

DP

This felt legitimate.

Lol, its like you can never read me correctly, like, ever.

DP

TIP is obvtown.

VS is town.

SOS is town.

DP keeps putting his foot in his mouth, but his point on Ceph is valid.

Yeah, we're probably lynch bait.

^I hate hate hate hate HATE it when people try to discredit a wagon on them partially in advance.

SD's disappearance after I crushed his "easy lynch" card is noted.

When exactly did you do this, anyways?

Oh, yeah, he totally crushed my top tier strategy of claiming I'm lynch bait. Man, he really saw right through me. There goes my scummy for most manipulative player

^More wagon discrediting which is icky.


So yeah, I can see this being scum.

This has been discussed already. I hate this, but it's almost such a blatantly buddyesque thing to do I'm not sure I believe Nacho would do it?

Sound of Silence/Bert/Cait Sith
Violent Saxophone
TheIrishPope
SalmonellaDoctor
Cephrir

I find it curious that VS is above TIP in this list. TF has basically never mentioned VS.

My overall positions haven't changed much. If Bert or CS was scum, they could easily rest on their laurels and wait for me/SD to be lynched, but they are continuing to town it up. Meanwhile VS is coasting a bit more, and SD isn't trying very hard either, which is what I would expect either party to do if they were indeed scum (giving up in the latter case).

TIP-scum is a remote possibility in my mind, but there's simply no way we are going to lynch him, so I have no qualms about applying Shaheed's Law and progressing with VS and SD as my suspects.

I will be looking through VS and SD's isos again to decide which of them I feel is scum, but I'm leaning SD off the top of my head simply because they've pinged me more throughout the game. I haven't felt strongly about VS at all, but I do feel this type of hydra dis would be relatively easy to fake.

[Cephrir]

Addendum: I also feel like Majiffy isn't being as aggressive towards his supposed scumreads as I believe he generally is, and he could easily be white-knighting me. I have to admit, I am quite susceptible to that practice, and I haven't liked the Mara posts very much but perhaps the opposite reason.

It's proving difficult for me to be objective about VS because a fair amount of their posting that I recall revolves around me- hopefully re-ISO'ing will prove useful.

[Bert]

Wow, you're right about TF basically never mentioning Mara/Majiffy.

Mala/Tammy mentioned that on Day 3 too.

Hmm. Either Nacho is setting Mara/Majiffy for a potential mislynch by not placing ten in the top three townreads section, or they're his remaining partner

And yeah, this type of hydra dis is easy to fake

[Bert]

I actually like Ceph's last posts...

I don't think it's a coincidence that two players are expressing suspicion of Violent Saxophone

Can someone tell me what to expect from Salmonella?

I expect more from DoctorPepper than this, but I'm not familiar with SalmonellaDreams.

And yeah, Jiffy hasn't been as aggressive as I recall, either

Again, rambling, and so glad I have one solid townread Im not wavering on in Cait Sith

So I don't have to worry about my vote and can sheep when all is said and done

Unvote

[VioleNt Saxophone]

Meanwhile VS is coasting a bit more

Come again?

I've made if pretty damn clear that I've been giving this game as much time as I could have, it didn't help that I didn't get to do jack shit D2 or three and it definitely doesn't help that someone dies right when I start having a little bit more time

Jiffy hasn't coasted for shit either, so I don't even know where you get this idea from

[Trust Fund]

When killed, a player may make one informationless 'bah' post at the beginning of the next day phase and must be silent thereon until the conclusion of the game.

Bah

~Sasha

[VioleNt Saxophone]

Regardless, you hydra with mala, ill get her take on that.

>.>

I've done some bad things to her in HxH, fair warning

Bert, Who's ten?

[TheIrishPope]

We lynch SD.
In the case he isn't scum, we lynch Cephrir.
VOTE: SD

[Sound of Silence]

In restless

dreams

night I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my

eyes

back were stabbed by the flash of a neon

light

dagger
That split the

night

flesh
And

touched

killed the sound of silence

/bah

[Cait Sith]

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And what did you think of 222?

It wasn't that interesting to me. Why didn't you like it?

"Cephrir-Odd guy. I like half his posts, I don't like the other half. Null for now,

with a minor town lean.

"

- Natirasha

Translation: I'm not calling my partner town because its too obvious. I'll read him as null-town even if my statement says null because i want to a) find an easy way to potentially distance and b) subtly make people think he's town

My issue here is the fact that it was one of those "weak, not willing to give info" reads that scum LOVE to impart onto buddies

DP

This felt legitimate.

Lol, its like you can never read me correctly, like, ever.

DP

TIP is obvtown.

VS is town.

SOS is town.

DP keeps putting his foot in his mouth, but his point on Ceph is valid.

Yeah, we're probably lynch bait.

^I hate hate hate hate HATE it when people try to discredit a wagon on them partially in advance.

SD's disappearance after I crushed his "easy lynch" card is noted.

When exactly did you do this, anyways?

Oh, yeah, he totally crushed my top tier strategy of claiming I'm lynch bait. Man, he really saw right through me. There goes my scummy for most manipulative player

^More wagon discrediting which is icky.


So yeah, I can see this being scum.

This has been discussed already. I hate this, but it's almost such a blatantly buddyesque thing to do I'm not sure I believe Nacho would do it?

This was cabd. He had responded to what I said about not really knowing how to read tip and declared that due to his tell, tip was unequivocally town. I told him it was strange that he only replied to the tip portion of my post and not the sd portion as they were more a topic of interest. I still don't think he actually responded to what I said, but he did this in response.

[Majiffy]

I'm slightly nervous about VS as well, just because one of the members obviously doesn't want to vote me and the other keeps doing it, that seems like potentially fake hydra dis and a fairly easy way to have it.

I'd put her on a leash but Mollie might get jealous.

Addendum: I also feel like Majiffy isn't being as aggressive towards his supposed scumreads as I believe he generally is

The day just started. If you morons decide to start pushing someone OTHER than SD, you'll see me turn green and run around in purple boxers.

I'm in no hurry to lynch obvscum. It's the only move to make today. You'll come around.

We lynch SD.
In the case he isn't scum, we lynch Cephrir.
VOTE: SD

You're half right.

[Majiffy]

Oops.

[VioleNt Saxophone]

I'm slightly nervous about VS as well, just because one of the members obviously doesn't want to vote me and the other keeps doing it, that seems like potentially fake hydra dis and a fairly easy way to have it.

I'd put her on a leash but Mollie might get jealous.

Addendum: I also feel like Majiffy isn't being as aggressive towards his supposed scumreads as I believe he generally is

The day just started. If you morons decide to start pushing someone OTHER than SD, you'll see me turn green and run around in purple boxers.

I'm in no hurry to lynch obvscum. It's the only move to make today. You'll come around.

We lynch SD.
In the case he isn't scum, we lynch Cephrir.
VOTE: SD

You're half right.

[Cephrir]

Aww, youre just mad cause I asked to hydra with SD Before you said yes to being Taskmaster again in a hard boiled

Okay, what does this do: I'm a VT.

VOTE: TIP

- DP

Who on earth does this and isn't lying?

No Sal. we're doing this.

VOTE: notscience

Hey SoS, how can you like my other head's posts better if your main scum read was his unvote?

This renders my point re: VS hydra dis fairly moot in terms of choosing between the two as this is essentially the same thing (only it sounds more fake).

If I get lynched while I'm at college, TF is scum and TIP is town.

Not too confident in my other reads, although DP is confident in our vote, I assume.

Eh, haven't heard from DP in awhile, so I'll switch to my scum read.

VOTE: TrollingFairy

Weird vibe from TF. Its like I feel he is defending us yet has us as their no. 2 scum read.

Hi White Knight.

Above is every mention SD ever makes of TF. Scumread out of the blue, jumps on the wagon (though I feel like you'd try a little harder to actually get towncred if you knew the wagon was correct...)

If SD was scum, knowing TF is getting lynched, it seems to me that they would have made an effort to change something- look less like TF's buddy, or something. Althoguh I view voting for scum in a half-assed manner as a scumtell normally, I don't know if it works the same way if you're already under suspicion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, SD looks like TF's scumbuddy from a naive perspective, but WIFOM.

[Cephrir]

lol

you silly

Maybe it's to early for me buuuut I'm not exactly seeing what is being crumbed >.>

Unless you're hider, pointing out that you're a PR is pretty :/

on that note

Hider claims now, and we move on from there

TIP-Obvtown
Sci-probably town
Bro-maybe scum
Ceph-probable town
Nacho/Cabd-maybe scum
Nats-maybe scum
Bert-town
Mac- needs to post, scum until he does so
Cait- town?
SD-probably town
Ffery/GIF- I think they might be town BUT WE WILL SEE
eagle-Town

I like this.

Nacho's at lynch -2

Hokay.

VOTE: TrollingFairy

Stating intent to hammer the Nacho. This doesn't feel like his town self.

Where was this Jiffy in the Buzzword Bingo game?

What are you talking about?

Stating intent to hammer the Nacho. This doesn't feel like his town self.

Why not?

Too calm. TownNacho is more frantic when people are voting him for perceived stupid reasons.

I like this too. No further interactions with TF or Nati.

I'm ready to end the day, but I'll let anyone who wants to get some last words in do so.

[Bert]

I'm ready to end the day, but I'll let anyone who wants to get some last words in do so.

I want to hear Cait Sith give some more input, especially Mala, before we end the day.

I suspect that they will die tonight, unfortunately, and I want to hear their reads and such and what their opinion of the game state is.

Tammy/Mala haven't been feeling well and I hope they get some last words in.

[Cephrir]

Ah, it's four to lynch, isn't it.

VOTE: SD

[Bert]

In my games, I get urges to hammer when I feel someone is scum and the claiming part is over

I am trying my best to refrain here because we do need discussion, really, and for VS and CS to come back in a day or two and providing more insight

Lol

For the record, the fast wagon worries me a wee bit

As does Ceph having desire to end the day at this point while being one of two prime suspects

[Cephrir]

I mean... what am I going to do? Do you really think me stretching out the day would do me any good? There is neither town motivation nor scum motivation for me basically realizing that we're going to lose if it's not SD.

What does the fast wagon matter if there's only one scum anyway, not to mention it's on someone we've been trying to lynch since D1?

[Bert]

are you suggesting that if SD isn't scum, you will die tomorrow and the game will be over?

in that case, what if SD isn't scum, who do you think the last remaining scum is

[Cephrir]

I think that's quite likely, yes.

If it turns out not to be SD, it's either VS or TIP, emphasis on the former, but I don't think there's much chance of us lynching correctly in that event, especially with Cait Sith probably dead.

[Bert]

I'm worried about that too

That's why I kinda wanna prolong the day.

TIP has been very absent from discussion lately, that bothers me

SD does seem like scum, but it's about it being "too easy" a team - although TF was anything but "easy"

Part of me is worried that VS bussed TF for towncred, seeing as TF may have looked like a lost cause to them at the time.

That's what I'm thinking right now

please make cases on VS or TIP? And ask questions too, in case SD turns out not to be the lynch (and for your sake if you're town and don't want to be speedlynched if there's a tomorrow)