Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[Yggdra Union]

^
to dear elleheathen

[Yggdra Union]

Where r u ppl?
Don't wanna play with me anymore?

Also moving on to tippy.
He's town because of gut+meta.

He's being useless, but his general relaxed stance feels town to me.
Tippy scum tends to be more cautious and tense.

-Luciana

[TheIrishPope]

Obviously.

[theaceofspades]

??? i'd love to hear the reasoning behind the scum-case on me from anyone. seriously

[elleheathen]

Ugh - I don't think I really like either of these lynches - not enough to put my vote on them anyway.
Speaking of:

@mod: Possible to get a vote count soon?

Pretty pretty please. Sorry to be a bother! D:

In regards to baldeagle, I can't tell if he's scum and bad or town and bad. Normally with a slot like this, I would lynch it regardless because it's so unhelpful and distracting to town, even if it is town but after losing two towns already... idk. I'm not great at number crunching odds. The sketchiest thing to date is the vote movement to Yggdra in the space of one post between. (And that's only the sketchiest because I can't tell if his other shit is actually genuinely not understanding wtf he's doing or the things he's saying or if it's purposefully done and playing dumb on after.)

One thing I'd love a response to though is:

If I was scum, I would probably want to be buddies with people that I'm familiar with. People like TiP, BOOM (I know one of the heads) and elle.

You're familiar with me? One, from? And two, then what's your read on me and why?

Yggdra, on the other hand, I'm not sure of either. Not only do I not like their pointing out of their own 'townslips' as I stated before but I don't like their whole trying to confirm themselves as town based on the supposed (and faulty)logic, either. That, and the fact that they keep going on about how people would have to disprove their logic on how these slips could be irrelevant in order to lynch them, when really, all I have to do is code a vote on them to decide whether or not to lynch them.

I don't have to do anything more than feel like they're lying about whether or not they thought the game was 13 players or not to decide for myself whether or not I think that's a scumslip or just a mistake.

The problem being is that I just don't have a good enough feel on whether or not that was an actual scumslip or not to vote it.

That, and the fact they've ignored my question on BOOM twice now.

I believe that I told you two days ago that I would be answering that today.

I ISO'ed twice and still don't see this - but it's a moot point because I'm not trying to make a case on it, I just wanted an answer. Ty for the answer. :p

Right now, I'm just trying to figure our between the two if either flip would give me more information than the other - and if it would be worth risking it.

[Lord Mhork]

Vote Count 2.10

BOOMSHAKALAKA (0)
Alduskkel (0)
TheIrishPope (0)
elleheathen (0)
theaceofspades (0)
1baldeagle1 (4) BOOMSHAKALAKA, TheIrishPope, Yggdra Union, theaceofspades
TrumpetKing (0)
KrazyEyeKilla7 (0)
Yggdra Union (2) 1baldeagle, KrazyEyeKilla7
Om of the Nom (0)

Not Voting:

TrumpetKing, Om of the Nom, elleheathen, Alduskkel

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.


V/LA-

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Night falls in (expired on 2013-09-22 18:40:00)

[elleheathen]

<333

[1baldeagle1]

Elle, didn't you replace in one of my games before? I swear, I remember you joining one of my games hence why I was familiar.

Yggdra, I don't understand how you would know that I'm a wolf without being on the mafia side. If you already answered this, can you point it out? Your spam is hard to read.

[Lord Mhork]

Om of the Nom and BOOMSHAKALAKA have been prodded. If BOOMSHAKALAKA needs to be prodded again, he will be force replaced.

In addition, TrumpetKing will be prodded tomorrow as his V/LA ended yesterday.

[1baldeagle1]

Alright, wanted to get one more post out before I go into:

@mod, V/LA until Tuesday

[Yggdra Union]

Yggdra, on the other hand, I'm not sure of either. Not only do I not like their pointing out of their own 'townslips' as I stated before

The sad thing is though, I don't see the "townslip" myself, because he never told me.

but I don't like their whole trying to confirm themselves as town based on the supposed (and faulty)logic, either.

Exactly which part of our logic is faulty?
Why can't town try to confirm himself as town? Do you think try to confirm self as town is pure scum move?
Mafia is not a game you play by textbook.
Sure, there are some guidelines to pick out general stuff, but the "abnormalities" are bound to happen.
I.E. The textbook teaches that scums are usually self-concious. Well, guess what? Town can be self-concious too. The textbook teaches that scums are survivalistic. Well, guess what? Town can be survivalistic too.

That, and the fact that they keep going on about how people would have to disprove their logic on how these slips could be irrelevant in order to lynch them,

It is absolutely necessary that people needing to disprove my logic, because I want to know what their thought process are.
When people have an opinion, they need a train of thoughts to reach it. By asking people to challenge my logic, I can see what's going on ppl's head, and can see if their opinions are well-organized, or just simple came out of the blue for opportunistic jump. Follow me here?

when really, all I have to do is code a vote on them to decide whether or not to lynch them.

It is true that ppl can just lolvote us to lynch us.
But I know I'm town, and I'm not gonna go down easily, especially with the shitty accusations against me.
As town, it is my job to fight stupid lynch and stupid logic to guide town the right way.
When town fight for his lynch, attackers will have to push even harder to get him lynched. That's where all the goodies spring, such as the opportunistic timing of their attack, fallacy of their attack, genuineness of their attack, etc.
So even if we gets lynched, the flip of us will provide the maximum amount of the information possible.

P-Edit: @bald
Lemme quote them for you, but if you haven't realized it already, we dropped it because they were disproven.

[Yggdra Union]

Why is he a Wolf specifically?

Because mafia have daytalk.
He wouldn't jump like that if he was mafia because there should've been a coaching involved.

-Luciana

This was mine, but since it's proven that mafia don't have a daytalk, it's moot.

Also.

Baldeagle is throwing half-baked pies.

Proof that he doesn't have solid read on us. Meaning he's making us look like scum but knowing we are town.

Ergo, wolf.

This was Aegina's, but since Aegina was thinking a definition of "scum" as "mafia" instead of all anti-town alignments, it's moot by the communication error.

-Luciana

[Om of the Nom]

Am I the only one seeing how Yggdra seems to have changed their posting style since the supposed "scumslips"?
They seemed to be more secretive before, but now they feel more... open?

I'm not sure if I like this, because I feel that's what I'd do too if I were scum.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

If its not a "slip" then what would it be

Why do you think...

I'm separating Wolves from Mafia?

Then which is "scum" if they're so separated?

If you say "scum is wolf" then you draw attention to yourself as mafia. And vice verse.

I don't think you're town...I'll read your psycho wall of text but you don't have me convinced

[Yggdra Union]

Am I the only one seeing how Yggdra seems to have changed their posting style since the supposed "scumslips"?
They seemed to be more secretive before, but now they feel more... open?

I'm not sure if I like this, because I feel that's what I'd do too if I were scum.

The post that caused the MoA-scumslip issue was the start of the post of us being more active, so it's coincidential.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

I don't think you're town...I'll read your psycho wall of text but you don't have me convinced

You better read it nice and steadily, because somewhere along the way, I confirm myself as town using your post.

-L

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Am I the only one seeing how Yggdra seems to have changed their posting style since the supposed "scumslips"?
They seemed to be more secretive before, but now they feel more... open?

I'm not sure if I like this, because I feel that's what I'd do too if I were scum.

You are not the only one. Yggdra is becoming overly defensive.

[Yggdra Union]

Am I the only one seeing how Yggdra seems to have changed their posting style since the supposed "scumslips"?
They seemed to be more secretive before, but now they feel more... open?

I'm not sure if I like this, because I feel that's what I'd do too if I were scum.

You are not the only one. Yggdra is becoming overly defensive.

So you're expecting us to just take this and go home?

Also, define "overly defensive."
Are we being too defensive to not scumhunt? Because if that's what you're implying, it is false.

-L

[Alduskkel]

Stop posting so I can post.

[Alduskkel]

@Mod: I unvoted back in post 619.

Fixed

Anyway, I guess Luciana = GuyInFreezer actually. Not sure, could still be Remembrance.

We had TWO good reasons on our part to sort you as wolf.
Why are you ignoring those?

-L

What are those two reasons?

Also I'll be confirming myself as town now.

622 implies that I wolf-slipped.
635 implies that I mafia-slipped.

And the best part is: they ALL CAME FROM SAME POST

This is multiball, therefore general "scumslip" is NOT VALID. If we "scumslipped", we either slipped as mafia or slipped as wolf.
You follow me here? Good.

So apparently we've been accused as mafia-slip AND wolf-slip in the same post.
Ergo, we're either giant scumfuckcluster lord who controls both mafia and werewolf, or *gasp* we're town.

-L

Problem #1: The person accusing you of wolf-slipping is different from the person accusing you of mafia-slipping.
Problem #2: They don't come from the same post. 568 is the wolf slip, 559 is the mafia slip.

While we're on the subject, 577 is a not-Mafia slip, which YU has been calling a townslip. 495 is a scumslip (not Mafia nor Wolf specific).

Of course, we circle back around to whether or not ANY of these slips were actually slips.

[Yggdra Union]

@Mod: I unvoted back in post 619.

Anyway, I guess Luciana = GuyInFreezer actually. Not sure, could still be Remembrance.

We had TWO good reasons on our part to sort you as wolf.
Why are you ignoring those?

-L

What are those two reasons?

Quoted those few posts before.

Also I'll be confirming myself as town now.

622 implies that I wolf-slipped.
635 implies that I mafia-slipped.

And the best part is: they ALL CAME FROM SAME POST

This is multiball, therefore general "scumslip" is NOT VALID. If we "scumslipped", we either slipped as mafia or slipped as wolf.
You follow me here? Good.

So apparently we've been accused as mafia-slip AND wolf-slip in the same post.
Ergo, we're either giant scumfuckcluster lord who controls both mafia and werewolf, or *gasp* we're town.

-L

Problem #1: The person accusing you of wolf-slipping is different from the person accusing you of mafia-slipping.
Problem #2: They don't come from the same post. 568 is the wolf slip, 559 is the mafia slip.

While we're on the subject, 577 is a not-Mafia slip, which YU has been calling a townslip. 495 is a scumslip (not Mafia nor Wolf specific).

Of course, we circle back around to whether or not ANY of these slips were actually slips.

Re: #1 - Irrelevant.
Re: #2 - Oops. But it still doesn't change my point. (scum can't both wolf-slip and mafia-slip at the same time, ergo we're town)

I'm pretty sure 577 is not Aegina is talking about, because Aegina clearly said that the townslip was in my (Luciana) post.
Also I had a deep post relating to 495 how that is invalid. Did you read it?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

A case? Dude, you have scumslipped. TWICE. And now you are just cracking under pressure and mudslinging.

Nope.

The first "scumslip" is invalid because
- those kind of slip doesn't necessarily works on multiball. The basis of that slip is that scum is thinking himself as a part of a group and unconsciously saying the number of scum without self, which is pretty dumb already.
Now, this is a multiball. There are two scumteams. That means that scums have a different MINDSET. Scum does NOT think that they are group with the other scumteam! THEREFORE, this "scumslip" is invalid to be used in multiball.

The second one I already explained.

-Luciana

Here. I quoted it again for you for your convenience.

[Alduskkel]

I wasn't actually trying to press you on the scumslips, I was just pointing out what possible slips there were. Hence the last sentence of my last post.

The better question is where the townslip was if 577 wasn't it.

[Yggdra Union]

I don't know. Aegina never told me.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

What's your opinion on my "towncase" on BOOM and tippy?