Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Colin Creevey never protects Harry from any accusations.

[StubbsKVM]

Whenever I look back at the d1 posts I'm inclined to go back to my original read on the 2 JOATs. Although I don't like the way he plays, JasonWazza was a lot more forthcoming about his JOAT powers and abilities (post 310.) StubbsKVM has ignored all questions to expand on the "1-shot roleblock, 1-shot doc and 1-shot cop" claim (post 257.) No detail about the claimed roleblock (post 472,) but it does provide a convenient excuse for having no result.

Am I flip-flopping? Yeah, I suppose, but it seems to me most likely that 1 of the 2 JOATs is not town. (More likely than both being town, which is more likely than both are lying scum.) I just can't see how we could have the 3 town power roles in a 13-player game. Scum would have to have some serious firepower to balance it out.

I think I just reached the same conclusion as Toomai and RachMarie. VOTE: StubbsKVM

What exactly have I failed to expand on?
I don't see what more information you need.

I've given you my abilities, told you which one I used. I have told you I was roleblocked, because I got no result. I figured that was obvious.

As for the flavour of my role. That is what it says. Like I said, I don't really remember Colin Creevey from the movies, so I have no clue whether or not it makes sense or not.
I have given you all I have to offer claim-wise. I will admit I have not been very active, RL has claimed a lot more of my time. And it doesn't look like it's improving soon, so I'm not going to promise to be more active.

All I can offer is results from my actions.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Stubbs, if you are not going to be any more active, why not replace out?

[RachMarie]

yeah Lockhart was useless and even after he loses his memory he still spends time signing autographs for others so I definitely could see the mod picking fruit vendor.

I am thinking that all the PRs are "adult" characters. Which gives more credence to Stubbs being scum....

Has anyone ever played a game with a scum JOAT? I think I did a while back will see if I can find it. And a scum JOAT would make sense for balance with a town JOAT....

[RachMarie]

http://wiki.unknowableroom.org/Colin_Creevey here it includes a pic of him with his camera as he runs around bugging Harry lol.

[StubbsKVM]

I can still post once a day normally. Around this time pretty much every day. So I don't see the need to replace out.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Can you name your abilities? For instance, mine is called "vend."

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

On second thoughts, the fact that it is factually wrong doesn't mean anything although I still lean scum based on the double cc of doc and JOAT. Some of the role in Philosopher's Stone were wrong too. For example, Peeves doesn't act to protect Hogwarts. He just creates trouble.

Trying to figure the odd one out:

1) Lockhart - Fruit Vendor
2) Colin Creevey - JOAT (1X cop, 1X doc, 1X roleblock)
3) Filch - JOAT
"Follower: I get a result of "Investigative, Killing etc." for what that person did at night
Reporter: I know if they went no where or not.
Voyeur: I know what was done to someone, but not who did it."
4) Nearly Headless Nick - 1X Doc. (If basilisk is still alive, the protected player is petrified)

Comparing to the previous game:
1) Hagrid - Townie
2) Percy - Townie
3) Seamus - Townie
4) Hermione - Townie
5) Harry - Townie
6) Professor McGonagall - Townie

7) Peeves - Vanilla cop
Abilities:
Haunting: Despite your love for mischief, Hogwarts is your home, and as a result you want to protect it. Once per Night, you can PM me the name of a player, who you spend the Night investigating. You will then get the result of either "Vanilla" or "Not Vanilla." This is entirely accurate.

8) Snape - 2X Jailkeeper
Abilities:
Detention: Twice during the game, you can PM me the name of a player that you want to Jailkeep. This will both protect them from Night Kills, and prevent them from performing any Night Actions.

9) and 10) Fred & George - Siblings
Abilities:
Gred and Forge: You are twins, and as a result you know that the other is definitely town. However, if one of you dies, the other will be so overcome with grief that they commit suicide.

[Syryana]

Getting to this tonight.

[Syryana]

On second thought, I have a meeting in less than 10 hours. This will have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry.

[Toomai]

My opinion on FFF's Lockhart claim: reasonable despite fruit not being in-flavour. Having a Fruit Vendor also backs up the observation nature of JW's JOAT abilities, so as I see it they both get bonus beliveability points.

[penguin_alien]

Fruit vendor plus one-shot doc that may only stump rather than save plus weak JOAT =/= strong JOAT. And the fruit vendor fits as a negative utility town role.

UNVOTE: MSG

Intent to vote for Stubbs pending his checking in here.

[Toomai]

Fruit vendor plus one-shot doc that may only stump rather than save plus weak JOAT =/= strong JOAT. And the fruit vendor fits as a negative utility town role.

UNVOTE: MSG

Intent to vote for Stubbs pending his checking in here.

I don't get this post. What do you mean by saying that three weaker claimed roles "is not equal to" one stronger claimed role? How is Fruit Vendor negative utility? Why would you need to declare intent to vote to L-2?

[penguin_alien]

Sorry, I meant that it doesn't fit with the other roles. Fruit vendor's negative utility because it gives irrelevant results to roles like Jason's claimed set of powers. I'm waiting to vote because if we're wrong and we do have all this town power in Stubbs, I don't want to set up a derp hammer. I'm probably paranoid, but I've seen a lot of those in games lately.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

@ Penguin, can you explain why:

1) MSG would ask people for their opinions to sheep them when he could merely sheep the wagons that were forming if he wanted to sheep?
2) Why would a sheep get less attention than players that provide original reasoning?
3) Why does MSG having a townread on a "would-be" defender make him scummy when he would have no idea that I was going to be a "defender?"

[MSG]

getting impatient for Syryana to participate

[penguin_alien]

@ Penguin, can you explain why:

1) MSG would ask people for their opinions to sheep them when he could merely sheep the wagons that were forming if he wanted to sheep?
2) Why would a sheep get less attention than players that provide original reasoning?
3) Why does MSG having a townread on a "would-be" defender make him scummy when he would have no idea that I was going to be a "defender?"

1) This way looks like he's being actively persuaded rather than being opportunistic.
2) A question of blame, at least early on.
3) I was wrong about the timing of that. So he does have one independent town read.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I'll agree that the first statement is plausible. I don't understand the second one at all. Can you elaborate? The real problem though is with your third statement. You say you were wrong about the timing. Yet, in the post you make, you call me MSG's "now-defender" suggesting that you knew the timing of events all along and made no mistake.

One is town on you, his now-defender,

So, at the time you made the statement, clearly you knew that the defense happened after MSG had posted the reads list. If you mistakenly confused the timing to think that MSG posted a town-read on someone defending him, why would you say "now-defender" as opposed to just "defender?"

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I can't see the town motivation for Penguin's inconsistency. She says she was wrong about the timing which is perfectly fine for town to be. But her posts suggest she actually knew the timing considering she qualifies me as MSG's "now-defender" as opposed to just defender.

On the other hand, it makes perfect sense from a scum-POV: Penguin was posting a contrived, bullshit reason for suspecting MSG. When questioned on it, she tries to backtrack by saying it was a mistake with timing. However, the most damning of the "now" qualifier shows that she knew all along and had made no mistake at any point - rather just throwing suspicion for BS reasons to look like she is scumhunting - this has exclusively scum motivation.

[Amrun]

Eh, I think placing too much emphasis on "now-defender" is probably a mistake.

P_A is a solid player and doesn't need to make up "BS" reasons to vote for anyone. Regardless of alignment, it was probably an honest mistake.

[penguin_alien]

I'll agree that the first statement is plausible. I don't understand the second one at all. Can you elaborate? The real problem though is with your third statement. You say you were wrong about the timing. Yet, in the post you make, you call me MSG's "now-defender" suggesting that you knew the timing of events all along and made no mistake.

One is town on you, his now-defender,

So, at the time you made the statement, clearly you knew that the defense happened after MSG had posted the reads list. If you mistakenly confused the timing to think that MSG posted a town-read on someone defending him, why would you say "now-defender" as opposed to just "defender?"

I was wrong, flat-out. I thought the posts had come in the other order. Why would scum-me hang a case on something I knew to be wrong, undermining the whole idea? If I was trying to elide the issue, I would have said defender.

1) and 2) are related. Blind sheeping is scummy, whereas sheeping post-persuasion, less so. I don't like that MSG isn't putting out any of his own arguments when he engages others. Go look at his reads list. He has the claimed doc and you as town. Then nothing firm until Jason, a static read that, if we're right about Stubbs, is someone scum would love to see lynched first. What do you make of his reads list?

[LnGrrrR]

My brain is against lynching Stubbs, because he is by far the strongest claimed power role we have. Rereading through his ISO, he is pretty null to me; he has just been floating through the game, not really scumhunting or pushing any lynches.

Tempted to leave him alive one last night to try to prove something, but assuming he is telling the truth, he will probably just be roleblocked again, Jason won't share any info, and we will be no further than we were yesterDay apart from the flip.

If he is town, then scum roleblocks me and takes out Jason, and all 3 claimed power roles are gone. That's a big swing. I don't think I am ready to risk the fact that Stubbs is lying yet.

Pretty positive that F-16 and Amrun are town. Jason won't be touched for the same reason as Stubbs. MSG is looking towny enough, and as mentioned by others, that looks to be a good deal of work from Toomai if he is scum.

That leaves:

RachMarie
Penguin-alien
Fferylit
Syryana

Syr needs to post something.

[Amrun]

What, exactly, do you think stubbs could prove?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Amrun, I think you are really missing my argument. I don't think PA is scum for making a mistake. It has nothing to do with player skill. Mistakes can come even from town regardless of the skill of the player.

I think she is scum because she tries to paint to MSG as scummy for having a townread on someone who later defended him. That doesn't make sense logically. She knew the defense came later because of the qualifier "now defender" that she uses.

[Amrun]

I get what you're saying, but I don't think "now defender" means she didn't mix up the timeline.