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Post Post #675 (ISO) » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:56 pm

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Nicol prism
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one of a pair of prisms used to produce and analyze plane-polarized light in a polarizing microscope.

Vote Count 1.15
Luna Lovegood
( 0 )
dopog
( 4 ) Shadowy Poison , theloveofneroandmollie , Luna Lovegood , Nani
Dante
( 1 ) mnemonicdevice
DeasVail
( 0 )
Shadowy Poison
( 1 ) RadiantCowbells
Rail Tracer
( 3 ) dopog , Metal Unites Mutley
PeaceBringer
( 0 )
theloveofneroandmollie
( 0 )
mnemonicdevice
( 1 ) Dante
ooba
( 0 )
PeregrineV
Katsuki
( 6 ) PeaceBringer , Rail Tracer , ooba , Diabolik , BBmolla , DeasVail
Nani
( 1 ) PeregrineV
Metal Unites Mutley
( 0 )
Mitillos
Viera Assassin
( 0 )
RadiantCowbells
Vifam
( 0 )
Diabolik
SleepyKrew
( 1 ) Mitillos
BBmolla
( 0 )

Not voting:


With 17 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

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dopog is V/LA for a couple of days.
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Post Post #676 (ISO) » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:13 pm

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shadow wrote:why is everyone avoiding the Pog wagon?
i'm not particularly convinced he's scum. his focus on me is odd, but i don't see anything inherently scummy about it. if a PV wagon doesn't happen, i'll probably move there as a compromise. *shrug*
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Post Post #677 (ISO) » Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:23 pm

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Dopog is an ok lynch, but there's nothing exciting there for me.
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Post Post #678 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:51 am

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In post 670, N wrote:
nomen
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(in ancient Rome) the second name of a citizen, indicating his gens, as “Gaius
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In post 675, N wrote:
Nicol prism
noun
one of a pair of prisms used to produce and analyze plane-polarized light in a polarizing microscope.

this game is good for vocabulary

mutley still busy

i may consider switching my vote since if rail tracer = muffinman may keep him

i cant read pere

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Post Post #679 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:23 am

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In post 667, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 666, Shadowy Poison wrote:why is everyone avoiding the Pog wagon?
because while dopog may be scum, looks like kat/pv is as well... so not everyone avoiding dopog, just looking elsewhere...
I'll give you a claim.

Claim:
Confirm-able town PR

But, now that it's been brought up, where else are YOU looking?
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Post Post #680 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:24 am

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Alright, time to post.

BBMolla: Regular posts, numerous reads, almost none of them substantiated. But I think this is consistent with his general meta.
Read: Null.

Dante: Seems to be making a good effort to scumhunt. Some fluff and useless posts here and there, but otherwise seems alright.
Read: Town.

DeasVail: Makes clear reads and well-reasoned justifications. Is prepared to re-evaluate his reads.
Read: Town.

dopog: Liking his posts reasonably well. Also goes to the townpile.
Read: Town.

Katsuki/Pere: Starts by calling Peace scum and voting SK instead. Lots of useless fluffing for a while. Generally unhelpful and therefore anti-town. Pere is a bit better, trying to engage people, but he does seem to be overly concerned about people tunneling him. Then again, he did replace into a bad situation, with a large wagon on him.
Read: Null-scum.

Luna: Seems fine overall. Nothing stood out as particularly alignment indicative, to me. Not too much to go on, though.
Read: Null-town.

Metal: Reads are given, but without much reasoning. One head's scum and town reads are subsets of one of Luna's heads scum and town reads, respectively. Not liking this.
Read: Null-scum.

mnemonic: No scumhunting, no townhunting, little to no content. This is anti-town behaviour.
Read: Scum.

Nani: Well, bad scumhunting is better than none, I guess. Still, not much of interest here, so I can't make a read.
Read: Null.

ooba: Why the two votes in one post? Anyway, seems fine. Some reasoning seems off, but scumhunting appears to be happening.
Read: Null-town.

Peace: Not sure what to make of him. The towniness of his posts keeps going all the way up and all the way down... Not liking the "you can't convince me you're town" attitude, either.
Read: Null-scum.

Rail: Again with the two votes. What is going on? Are ooba's and your roles somehow connected? Anyway, definitely not an overwhelming beacon of towniness, but I'm not sure if people are correct in reading him as definitely scum. Would have liked more explanations for his reads and votes, on the whole.
Read: Null-town.

Shadowy Poison: Generally liking most of their posts.
Read: Town.

SleepyKrew/Diabolic: Seems alright. A bit too much fluff, but that can't be helped, I guess.
Read: Null-town.

neromollie: Early posts seem scummy. Later ones mitigate this, though.
Read: Null-town.

Vifam/Radiant: Nothing to see here, moving on.
Read: Null.

And with that,
Unvote

Vote: mnemonic


The approaching deadline means I'm likely to move to Pere, but I think that mnemonic is a better lynch, at this time.

p-edit: Hmmm... Need to rethink that last bit, a little.
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Post Post #681 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:26 am

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EBWOP: Apologies for the wall. Also, I will never replace into a large game ever again. Or at least, not one that's past the 10th page.
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Post Post #682 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:29 am

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In post 669, ooba wrote:
Let's chat. Which of my posts were scummy, and why?
Katsuki's 305 and 374.
You said I had scummy posts.
In post 551, ooba wrote:PeregrineV (or) dopog - both have scummy posts - you pick between the two.
Why are you showing me Katsuki psots?
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Post Post #683 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:32 am

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Will do more later.
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Post Post #684 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:42 am

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PV wrote:Claim: Confirm-able town PR
i really hate this sort of claim. mostly because it just reeks of leaving your options open.

mit wrote:Dante: Seems to be making a good effort to scumhunt.
seriously?
mit wrote:Are ooba's and your roles somehow connected?
if they were, i wouldn't tell you.
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Post Post #685 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:45 am

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Unvote
Vote: dopog
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Post Post #686 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:09 am

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@Rail: Yes, seriously. It may not be the most effective scumhunting, but it's an attempt. It could be faked, but so could most things. And fair enough, you don't have to tell me if they're connected. But why the two votes on the same person in the same post?
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Post Post #687 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:13 am

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that kind of claim is spurious and cuts out the town from further evaluation. It is bad precendence to let anyone off on "comfirable power role." Period.
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Post Post #688 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:17 am

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In post 679, PeregrineV wrote:Claim: Confirm-able town PR
More please.
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Post Post #689 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:17 am

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is PV's post that is in reference to...
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Post Post #690 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:38 am

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In post 674, RadiantCowbells wrote:VOTE: Shadowy Poison

That vote is good for now. I may reconsider it upon further reading.

I was going to vote Dante but MD is voting Dante and it's completely against policy for me to sheep MD.
At what point in the game were you when this vote seemed like a good idea?
In post 677, DeasVail wrote:Dopog is an ok lynch, but there's nothing exciting there for me.
Yeah you'd much rather votepark on someone getting replaced. I look forward to your analysis of Mitillos' replace in.
In post 680, Mitillos wrote:Dante: Seems to be making a good effort to scumhunt. Some fluff and useless posts here and there, but otherwise seems alright.
Read: Town.

DeasVail: Makes clear reads and well-reasoned justifications. Is prepared to re-evaluate his reads.
Read: Town.

dopog: Liking his posts reasonably well. Also goes to the townpile.
Read: Town.
All three of these townreads are lazy as fuck. Quote Dante's best scumhunting efforts, explain how giving well-reasoned justifications and being prepared to reevalute reads = town, and show your work on dopog.

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Post Post #691 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:45 am

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In post 688, BBmolla wrote:
In post 679, PeregrineV wrote:Claim: Confirm-able town PR
More please.
It's day1, I'm L-4, how much more you looking for?
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Post Post #692 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:50 am

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In post 687, PeaceBringer wrote:that kind of claim is spurious and cuts out the town from further evaluation. It is bad precendence to let anyone off on "comfirable power role." Period.
It's day1. I'm saying I'm a town PR. I'm saying I'm confirm-able as to that. I've now given you two additional pieces of information you did not have before to make an evaluation, so how does your post make any sense?

Oh yeah, besides me, who ?
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Post Post #693 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:51 am

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In post 658, Nani wrote:Dopog:

First posts are wallotexts that look like a lot but don't say anything concrete, he voted Railtracer for pushing a wagon jokingly and then for being surprised about people scumreading that joke read. (115) Looks like a lot of contrieved reasons to call someone scum.

My problem is when I isoed him, the tone caught my attention:
In post 201, dopog wrote:Hi.
Sorry
nero the grammar in that last sentence was messed; didn't fully understand hehe.
In post 204, dopog wrote:Ahh
sorry
I'm just catching up nowyyy
But I'm getting into the mood again so that's cool
In post 333, dopog wrote:Hi.
Sorry
. Had to vote on saturday (haha) and then was super busy yesterday so couldn't post as I thought I would... : (
In post 466, dopog wrote:Hi. Ermmm
sorry
finding it hard to get back into the game after busyness. Think I may just post some of what I had down before;
In post 593, dopog wrote: That's kinda bumming - and yeah am a bit
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for that, but all a bit unanticipated.(
Mafia subconsciousness at his best. Town simply cares less about perceptions.
I kind of get this, but want to hear a response from Dopog.
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Post Post #694 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:24 am

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@Shadow: Yes, they are lazy. But then, I did need to read through 27 pages and read 16 players, so what did you expect?
Re Dante: Post 55 (eliminate the WIFOM), his discussion with Nani (posts 638-645), some of his questions to Peace and Pere.
Re Deas: Giving well-reasoned justifications for your reads generally means they are coming from a town mindset (i.e. trying to find those who can be shown to be scum and convincing the rest of the town of this). Being prepared to reevaluate one's reads usually means you are open to arguments based on reasoning. This is also pro-town behaviour.
Re dopog: His posts with significant content (115 and 466) seem to me to be coming from a natural town thought process. Those are the ones I meant, when I said I liked his posts.

My town-read on you is equally lazy. Any particular reason you skipped that? What do you think of Pere's claim? You gave some names in what I believe were scumreads, earlier. Were those in order of strength, or just arbitrary?
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Post Post #695 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:27 am

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In post 691, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 688, BBmolla wrote:
In post 679, PeregrineV wrote:Claim: Confirm-able town PR
More please.
It's day1, I'm L-4, how much more you looking for?
you were at l-1
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Post Post #696 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:28 am

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In post 695, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 691, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 688, BBmolla wrote:
In post 679, PeregrineV wrote:Claim: Confirm-able town PR
More please.
It's day1, I'm L-4, how much more you looking for?
you were at l-1
nope I think I am momentarily confused...nevermind...
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Post Post #697 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:30 am

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In post 687, PeaceBringer wrote:that kind of claim is spurious and cuts out the town from further evaluation. It is bad precendence to let anyone off on "comfirable power role." Period.
I think it's fine actually.
In post 690, Shadowy Poison wrote:Yeah you'd much rather votepark on someone getting replaced. I look forward to your analysis of Mitillos' replace in.
:] You can't complain about both me voteparking and moving my vote. It doesn't work that way.

It's a good post, but it could easily be from scum.

Unvote: PeregrineV
Vote: dopog


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Post Post #698 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:44 am

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In post 694, Mitillos wrote:1) @Shadow: Yes, they are lazy. But then, I did need to read through 27 pages and read 16 players, so what did you expect?
2) Re Dante: Post 55 (eliminate the WIFOM), his discussion with Nani (posts 638-645), some of his questions to Peace and Pere.
3) Re Deas: Giving well-reasoned justifications for your reads generally means they are coming from a town mindset (i.e. trying to find those who can be shown to be scum and convincing the rest of the town of this). Being prepared to reevaluate one's reads usually means you are open to arguments based on reasoning. This is also pro-town behaviour.
4) Re dopog: His posts with significant content (115 and 466) seem to me to be coming from a natural town thought process. Those are the ones I meant, when I said I liked his posts.
1) Some links to all of the information you just gave me?
2) "Eliminate the WIFOM" = scumhunting??? And I got the exact opposite impression from his discussion with Nani. Dopog was a legitimate wagon at the time and Nani added her own bit scumhunting to it, then Dante attacks her for it and even says he "doesn't see the offense?" Which Nani brutally slapped down later with like half a dozen dopog posts that illustrate her point.
3) You're right, it is pro-town behavior. I contend that every player should be expected to behave in a pro-town manner, as it advances both factions towards their wincon. So how does appearing pro-town = actually being town? Having a lot of nice reasons for doing what you're doing and being prepared to reevaluate isn't enough.
4) You thought dopog responding to posts from page 7 on page 19 and then doing a bunch of fencesitting on recent events came from a natural town thought process? I also think his case on Rail was weak, and I don't like at all how he scumread Peace before voting Rail because his read there was much stroner, and then never following up on his questions to peace. At the time it read like scumreading a buddy and voting someone else, and his behavior regarding it since only reaffirms that impression.
In post 694, Mitillos wrote:My town-read on you is equally lazy. 1) Any particular reason you skipped that? 2) What do you think of Pere's claim? 3) You gave some names in what I believe were scumreads, earlier. Were those in order of strength, or just arbitrary?
1) What's there to say? We're town, we're townposting, and you're either town who correctly spotted us townposting, or scum who already knew we were town.
2) I was never really interested in lynching Katsuki to begin with. Not at all surprised he was playing the way he was with a confirmable PR.
3) Rough order of strength.

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Post Post #699 (ISO) » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:45 am

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In post 697, DeasVail wrote:You can't complain about both me voteparking and moving my vote. It doesn't work that way.
I wasn't doing that?
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