Mini 1486: Fruit Basket Mafia (Game Over)

[Elyse]

no

[Desperado]

Quote my abysmal reasoning and me being concerned with my appearance.

[Elyse]

I will eventually but I have to do work now.

[Desperado]

Mmkay. Who's the third scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Votecount:
Buffy VS Dracula - 1 (don_johnson)
don_johnson - 1 (zMuffinMan)
mnemonicdevice -2 (Buffy VS Dracula, Formerfish)
Slandaar - 1 (mnemonicdevice)
Kid A - 2 (Peabody, Desperado)
Formerfish - 2 (Slandaar, Kid A)
Desperado - 1 (Elyse)
With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

Not voting: Viera Assassin, StubbsKVM

The day comes to a close on September 17th at noon.

Time remaining is

(expired on 2013-09-17 12:00:00)

[Slandaar]

Guys just vote Fish.

Does anyone think hes town? nope, so, just vote him. Hes a good lynch.

[Elyse]

Mmkay. Who's the third scum?

One of {don, mnemonic, fish}

[Peabody]

Oh wait. Kid A might be scum. Before ASP was lynched, he pointed out Mne's lack of posting. How odd.

btw this stupid half case on me ignores the context to my post lol

sorry that my posts are getting so rare

firstly in response to buffy - i am voting asp because theyre probably scum but your weird behaviour regarding asp and ff means that you will look bad if one of them flips scum

you keep saying im your big scumread and you want me lynched so please start making a case or pushing for my lynch instead of just vote parking on me

right now mnemonicdevice is most forgettable player - i'm going to iso him and see if i can find anything

also both hydra heads responding to my last post makes me think i might have noticed something i wasnt meant to notice - it's not the strongest tell but definitely something

and then i did the iso and found 6 posts with no content in any of them

And then he disappears. When he reappears, ASP/Lucky is at L-1,

v/la as a scumtell lol

And if the town allows me, I will explain why tomorrow's phase.

what's stopping you from doing it today

why do you think you will live through tonight despite being a claimed cop???

I didn't realize you were V/LA as it wasn't mentioned in the post I linked. Of course I don't think V/LA is a scum tell. Why did you choose to investigate Mne's iso while ASP was getting lynched? Why were you looking elsewhere?

[Elyse]

Wait nvm I forgot Fish/ASP doesn't really work out.

[Peabody]

Slandaar,

Did you reevaluate your town read on Kid A after the ASP flip?

[Peabody]

Does no one else see the distraction Kid A brought to the table as ASP was on the gallows??

[mnemonicdevice]

In post 248, Kid A wrote:
sorry that my posts are getting so rare

firstly in response to buffy - i am voting asp because theyre probably scum but your weird behaviour regarding asp and ff means that you will look bad if one of them flips scum

you keep saying im your big scumread and you want me lynched so please start making a case or pushing for my lynch instead of just vote parking on me

right now mnemonicdevice is most forgettable player - i'm going to iso him and see if i can find anything

also both hydra heads responding to my last post makes me think i might have noticed something i wasnt meant to notice - it's not the strongest tell but definitely something


and then i did the iso and found 6 posts with no content in any of them

Really? I did a PBP of Slaandar, and I didn't do anything of content?
I'm pretty sure you missed something

[Peabody]

Soo, let's get realistic about these votes. I don't see Slandaar getting lynched because most of the town has him as a town read.

Mnemonicdevice, perhaps your vote would be better placed elsewhere.

The same goes to Elyse, muffin and Don. Can we lynch one out of Fish, Kid A, and Mne since those people at least have 2 votes on them?

I prefer Kid A. If I have to, I will switch my vote.

[Elyse]

Fine.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: mnemonicdevice

[Formerfish]

VOTE: Buffy

I decided long ago this is who is being lynched today;

So, Kid A-- do you still think Formerfish is "obvscum"?

Scumtastic.

In case people do not know what is being referred to here;

VOTE: formerfish

obvscum

Absolutely nonsense. The posting is clearly ridiculous and they have just parked on md today; the weakest player in the game. Yesterday they didn't do anything during ASP lynch I gave them the opportunity to vote fish which they failed to take instead sitting on Kid which is laughable.

Lynch Muffin tomorrow. Hes just being a scumbag constantly trying to discredit me. If you look at his posts from this POV its very obvious.

OR we could just lynch Buffy who is scum.

Speaking of whom, Buffy, you did not tell me who you are. Why is that?

Andddd he keeps trying to get Buffy off the hook based on very weak interactions.

Buffy was just voting Kid A doing nothing so they are town because scum would bus or try to save their buddy? No real reason to assume this, sure it makes sense for scum to do one of those things but the key point is they were doing nothing productive so how does that make sense for town to do that? It really doesn't.

So, which do we go with? well we look at everything else and we can see they are scum.

Now, the reason its obvious they are scum is the comment about Kid A calling Fish obvscum. To suggest that you must have literally no knowledge of RVS and they implied earlier in the thread they understood it.

So, they are scum, very very simple.

Vote: Elyse

Right now I'm getting town reads from Desperado, Stubbs and Uber. Since they seem to be on the level and seem to see you as scummy it helps me feel good about this vote. It just seems to me that you are trying very hard to come off as town, but you don't seem genuine to me, in fact it seems forced and fake.

This is posted after I post my wall and after Simples reaction.

Also,

Unvote: Elyse

Going back over your ISO, you've been very proactive in trying to figure out scum. I think you have some solid leads, and others you are misguided about. My vote on you may have been somewhat biased by the rvs stage wagon. I'm leaning town on you now though.

Vote: A Simple Plan

For the following two posts.

@ASP, You can't see any potential town motivation for not outing ones reads?

Hiding one's reads doesn't provide anything for the town to go on, and it just feels too secretive for my liking. I suppose one could do so as town to to try to protect his or her interests later in the game and protect himself from being framed for a NK through his scum-reads being targeted. I still feel like it's more anti-town because it gives us less to work with, but now that I think about it more, it gives a more null read on Slandaar than straight scum.

Elyse is only making my scum read on her a bit stronger and gives me less doubt, and her 153 feels odd, especially in response to Desperado's 152. I feel like my vote on Kid A is pretty good, and the OMGUS reaction to my vote in 133 makes me feel that much better about it.

Slandaar's most recent post is excellent, and I'm going to go ahead and say it's enough for me to consider him town right now. Still looking at Elyse and Kid A as scum suspects right now. Also, got a new laptop so posting might be a bit easier, but as of right now it's 12:30 and I've got my first day of classes in college tomorrow, so I'm going to bed. Will try to update with better quality soon.

Doesn't make a lot of sense how he now moves to vote Simple Plan for something he failed to comment on prior to this when he clearly had the chance, it looks like he was waiting to see how town reacted before deciding his course of action; this is scum thing.

The reevaluation of Elyse also does not feel right.

OK There is the case on Fish, he doesn't react to ASP's post until a lot of other people have their say on it then he jumps on the wagon when he sees a sinking ship. If he felt it was scummy he had the chance to say but he didn't before others did.

Also he really waffled about assuming my post about cults was in a mod post but not assuming Elyses was.

So your case on me is that I didn't say anything about ASPs post at the time, and then voted him. I was pretty tunneled on Elyse at the time and saw how scummy ASP was on a reread. I apologize for not fully informing you of my entire thought process.

And as for waffling, all I was saying is that I didn't see the topic announcing the game so I was unaware of what was posted there. I figured that cult wouldn't be involved because it's a bit more specialized of a role and would probably be mentioned in this thread. I didn't get the joke, that's all.

How am I a more viable candidate for a lynch then either of the guys advocating the lynch of the cops inno report?

[Buffy vs Dracula]

Thanks, Peabody. Geez, I thought I would have to actually respond to all those things people asked me.

Anyway, mnem's lynch is practically inevitable at this point, but me being conftown and all I'm probably biting the dust tomorrow and therefore I should say this right here right now.

Mnem and Slandaar's interactions make it perfectly clear they're scumbuddies.

Mnem puts Sland at the top of his reads list in 254 with no reasoning, despite questioning the quality of his posts in 237.
Mnem ISOs Sland, thinks him scum, and votes him. Despite previously putting him as the towniest town who ever towned. And without conducting any further ISOs. He later describes Sland as the "person he was most unsure about" despite being at the top of his reads list earlier.

Sland has a decidedly... unextreme response to Mnem voting him with crappy reasoning. I seemed to recall Slandaar being more volatile towards people who doubted him in our previous game. (I'm Voodoo Lady. Hey, remember me? I was literally the worst scum.) Maybe his meta had changed? I decided to test this out by implying Slandaar didn't deserve the across-the-board townreads he was getting. This (of course) draws his infamous "most anti-town statement of the game" comment, and later solidifies his vote on me. So basically-- yeah, total success.
Sland tries to delegitimize the mnem wagon-- first implying that the only reason I was voting for mnem was that it was the "easiest wagon", then repeatedly insisting that my lynch had to go through today and that we couldn't compromise on mnem. All the while, he refuses to give a strong read one way or another on the only person voting him.

Anyway, I'm out. Have fun with the flawless victory.

[Peabody]

Viera and Stubbs. Place your vote.

[mnemonicdevice]

@Buffy: The reason why I am most unsure about Sland is because his posts fluctuate a lot. He says a lot of town stuff, yet his buddying with Elyse is strong.
Yes I should probably change my vote.
I dislike how buffy says that he is confirmed town, even though,
Buffy isn't confirmed town, if Peabody is scum.
If Peabody is scum, then buffy might be another scum that peabody was trying to help (because buffy was closest to lynch at that point), or buffy could be town that peabody was trying to make look like scum (by the first option).
Also buffy is godfather, and peabody is town, that could be dangerous as well, but it isn't very likely so I'm not going to worry about that chance.

@Buffy: how come you see buddying between me and sland, yet no buddying between elyse and him?

Seeing as nobody else will vote Sland with me, how about we kill Formerfish?

I don't particularly care for his wagon, but we need to get a lynch today and he is the most scummy of
{me, Kid, Former} who are the closest to lynch

VOTE: Formerfish

[mnemonicdevice]

Good luck with that peabody. They haven't really responded at all this game.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: formerfish

I think BvD is still scum. I am willing to listen to reason, though.

i'll lynch kidA as a compromise, but I think he's town and I also like him.

[Peabody]

You'll know why I think there's no GF tomorrow.

[Peabody]

By the way, I'm definitely going to keep an eye on the thread. A no lynch is not going to happen if I can help it.

[Formerfish]

Well it looks like scum is pushing my lynch here, so at least you'll have a more narrow suspect list to work off of. Lynching me is going to be a mistake, just not a horrible one. I'd still like to know how I'm the scummiest.

[Desperado]

@ Fish: if you really think that then I suggest you start giving out final reads and hunt some scum. Who are the scum pushing your lynch?

[zMuffinMan]

i am fairly sure kid A is town. even apart from the earlier town read i had on him, his recent posts look town. even the part where he asks peabody why peabody thinks he'll survive to tomorrow looks town (not only because if he were scum who performed a nk and it failed, he should be assuming that there is a doc or something in the game, but also because the paranoia is consistent with his suspicion that peabody could be lying and looks like genuine paranoia)

only problem is i don't have any strong feelings about who is scum outside of desperado and apparently that's not a viable lynch today.

i'm meh about formerfish. some of his posts look townish, i don't think he makes a lot of sense as scum with ASP.

dj could be town, just... so... i have no words to describe my feelings about this.

i don't think slandaar is scum. i think stubbs is probably town but almost entirely useless. peabody and bvd i'm still thinking are town. elyse i'm still thinking is town.

so i'm basically left with desperado, and one of mnem and viera. i think some of the things ASP said about viera-slot D1 don't make a lot of sense as scum-scum interactions, and i haven't really looked at how much sense a desp-mnem team makes. i'm still meh about mnem because i'm having trouble seeing mnem pushing a slandaar lynch as scum.

so whatever.

tl;dr is i don't know who is scum.

Unvote
Vote: Desperado

i can switch to any of the more viable wagons to achieve a lynch if necessary (and i imagine it will be necessary) but as long as there's a glimmer of hope, i can keep dreaming.