Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[Yggdra Union]

But that still doesn't prove your alignment, only that you're likely not aligned with them.

I want you to think carefully here.
In my case, "them" applies to both mafia and werewolf since I've been accused as slipping as both.
And since it proves that I'm not aligned with them,
If I'm not aligned with mafia and I'm not aligned with werewolf, then I'm aligned with ________ .
Also as I said, whether someone pushes whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that's important is that the accusations happened.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Addendum to 698

"But scum can easily emulate the hunting 5 scums thing"
Remember that the slip we're talking about here is subconscious slip.
Their conscious have the true number of their team, not fake number.
If conscious could be faked at any time, that would void all the subconscious slips but that's not the case so

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Anyway the progress with sorted reads so far

Do not lynch

ellehethren
BOOM
Tippy

pls lynch

Ace
Bald

unsorted yet

The rest

-L

[theaceofspades]

i love the non case on me. because you were pushing it long before my scummy act of "wanting two people lynched." imo, you're each scum. one on each team...that's my guess. because the fight makes the most sense from that perspective.


also WIFOM isn't always on purpose. sometimes it's just an accusation that has no concrete facts, sufficient for a proof

[Yggdra Union]

Actually 683 contains it.
It's not as descriptive as bald's case, though.
It's a "just look at these post and tell me those aren't scummy" case.

Now here's a question for you that might make your brain implode.

Why are we scum gain?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Why are we scum again?*

[Yggdra Union]

i fail to see how believing you both to be scum is a scummy behavior.

Also this is one atrocious strawmanning.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Hm.
Probably "misrepping" fits better than "straw manning."

-L

[theaceofspades]

i don't think you know what strawmaning is..... you called my switching votes between you and baldeagle scummy. I switched votes because I believed you both to be scum, and was teetering on who was more scummy.

[GuyInFreezer]

Did you read my 707?
I think you missed it.

Did you read my 690?
I think you missed it.

Did you see my question?
I think you missed it.

Do you know what that proves?
You're calling me scum without even trying to read my post.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

Did you read my 707?
I think you missed it.

Did you read my 690?
I think you missed it.

Did you see my question?
I think you missed it.

Do you know what that proves?
You're calling me scum without even trying to read my post.

-L

Meh.

I gave myself away earlier anyway.

[Yggdra Union]

Fuzzy's responses are genuine, and that somewhat convinces me to unvote him. However, I also feel like his behavior is genuinely scummy as well. For now, I say we leave him be, and come back to him if we've got no other major lead.
UNVOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

-L

[Yggdra Union]

If its not a "slip" then what would it be

Why do you think...

I'm separating Wolves from Mafia?

Then which is "scum" if they're so separated?

If you say "scum is wolf" then you draw attention to yourself as mafia. And vice verse.

I don't think you're town...I'll read your psycho wall of text but you don't have me convinced

I'm waiting.

Also Aegina clearly said that she thought "scum" = "mafia".

-L

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

I read an earlier question by elle asking me why I wanted to stop Saki from quickhammering? maybe it has something to do with the fact that quickhammering is generally anti town to begin with?

Wow, tne and GiF. cool beans.

582Translator! "Ace was making a bad vote, but i support it" Seriously?

606 "I voted for this person earlier but now i believe he is a potential mislynch"

Aldus, care to explain the rational behind Yggdra's question? i dont understand.

Im going to invoke the "People who look for reaqsons to see scum slips are either misguided town or opportunistic scum" card,i do not see the scum slips and Krazey's accusation is just too obvious to be a legitimate scum slip.

636 Why would town be concerned with cornering out "specific" scum factions instead of just trying to lynch scummy players. Its like specific hunting gives me "rival faction" vibes. There are 3 factions and people who are looking for ONE specific scum can actually be the other.

Im on page 26 right now. Will post more after breakfast. Or after school

[Yggdra Union]

Fun event: I was looking through Krazy's ISO and was wondering which post made me give a townread on him, because tbh I couldn't find any that specifically have me a townvibe.

But the I realized something: I mixed up fuzzy and Krazy.

lol

-L

P-Edit: why not ask me? I'm here right now.

[Yggdra Union]

Re: 636

We weren't. What triggered it was that TNE's definition of word "scum" meant "mafia."
He translated eagle's "looking for scum" comment as "looking for mafia" and for that he called him a wolf.

-L

[elleheathen]

But that still doesn't prove your alignment, only that you're likely not aligned with them.

I want you to think carefully here.
In my case, "them" applies to both mafia and werewolf since I've been accused as slipping as both.
And since it proves that I'm not aligned with them,
If I'm not aligned with mafia and I'm not aligned with werewolf, then I'm aligned with ________ .
Also as I said, whether someone pushes whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that's important is that the accusations happened.

-L

The 'them' that I refer to there is in reference to your accusers in regards to the second slip.
It is outlining a suspicion that if, say, baldeagle (one of the accusers) is for example, mafia - that you were not mafia, but it doesn't rule out the possibility of you being a werewolf.

The factor of multiball

does matter.

Think of this logical process of how the slip happens.

1. A is scum.
2. A knows that there are 5 scums in their team.
3. A knows that town would be looking for 5 scums.
4. Since A knows that he's scum, it is likely for him to subconsciously think that he needs one less scum to find.

It looks fine so far, but here's where it becomes a problem.
This is multiball.
That means that A's team have

less than 5 members

.
In this game, there are either scumteam of two, or scumteam of three.
In order to call something like this a slip, there must be more than 1 "extra town to find" involved!

So what I'm trying to say is that it's possible to see it as a slip in town PoV, but if you look at the scum PoV, it is

not possible

for them to slip like that, because from town PoV there are 5 scum to hunt, but from scum PoV that's not the case, for they legitimately have to hunt for the other scumteam too.

This would all be relevant - IF it was about the number of scum.
It's not about the number of SCUM. The supposed slip was about the number of TOWN.
It wasn't about how many scums you were looking for, the slip was about how many town you thought there were.

Either way, you're frustrated on explaining this - as am I.
While I don't see what you're trying to get at (and maybe I'm just completely missing it), I think you're genuinely convinced that this is true just as much as I am on it not confirming you as town. Despite that, I don't think this is going to go anywhere productive because while in my mind, those points don't confirm you as town, I'm willing to concede enough as the argument itself makes me think of you as leaning more town than scum.

Yay?

I'm going to do another read-through and see if I can't get some better feels.

[theaceofspades]

I read an earlier question by elle asking me why I wanted to stop Saki from quickhammering? maybe it has something to do with the fact that quickhammering is generally anti town to begin with?

Wow, tne and GiF. cool beans.

582Translator! "Ace was making a bad vote, but i support it" Seriously?

606 "I voted for this person earlier but now i believe he is a potential mislynch"

Aldus, care to explain the rational behind Yggdra's question? i dont understand.

Im going to invoke the "People who look for reaqsons to see scum slips are either misguided town or opportunistic scum" card,i do not see the scum slips and Krazey's accusation is just too obvious to be a legitimate scum slip.

636 Why would town be concerned with cornering out "specific" scum factions instead of just trying to lynch scummy players. Its like specific hunting gives me "rival faction" vibes. There are 3 factions and people who are looking for ONE specific scum can actually be the other.

Im on page 26 right now. Will post more after breakfast. Or after school

i said it looked like he was trying to push a mislynch. not that it was a mislynch. The point being. his case isn't very good. But union's reactions to it, are what bother me.

so he's pushing a lynch on bad evidence. which is "pushing a mislynch" that's an attitude and a POV from baldeagle, that i'm suggesting. My beliefs on unions scummyness were irrelevant.

[Yggdra Union]

But that still doesn't prove your alignment, only that you're likely not aligned with them.

I want you to think carefully here.
In my case, "them" applies to both mafia and werewolf since I've been accused as slipping as both.
And since it proves that I'm not aligned with them,
If I'm not aligned with mafia and I'm not aligned with werewolf, then I'm aligned with ________ .
Also as I said, whether someone pushes whatever doesn't matter. The only thing that's important is that the accusations happened.

-L

The 'them' that I refer to there is in reference to your accusers in regards to the second slip.
It is outlining a suspicion that if, say, baldeagle (one of the accusers) is for example, mafia - that you were not mafia, but it doesn't rule out the possibility of you being a werewolf.

The factor of multiball

does matter.

Think of this logical process of how the slip happens.

1. A is scum.
2. A knows that there are 5 scums in their team.
3. A knows that town would be looking for 5 scums.
4. Since A knows that he's scum, it is likely for him to subconsciously think that he needs one less scum to find.

It looks fine so far, but here's where it becomes a problem.
This is multiball.
That means that A's team have

less than 5 members

.
In this game, there are either scumteam of two, or scumteam of three.
In order to call something like this a slip, there must be more than 1 "extra town to find" involved!

So what I'm trying to say is that it's possible to see it as a slip in town PoV, but if you look at the scum PoV, it is

not possible

for them to slip like that, because from town PoV there are 5 scum to hunt, but from scum PoV that's not the case, for they legitimately have to hunt for the other scumteam too.

This would all be relevant - IF it was about the number of scum.
It's not about the number of SCUM. The supposed slip was about the number of TOWN.
It wasn't about how many scums you were looking for, the slip was about how many town you thought there were.

Either way, you're frustrated on explaining this - as am I.
While I don't see what you're trying to get at (and maybe I'm just completely missing it), I think you're genuinely convinced that this is true just as much as I am on it not confirming you as town. Despite that, I don't think this is going to go anywhere productive because while in my mind, those points don't confirm you as town, I'm willing to concede enough as the argument itself makes me think of you as leaning more town than scum.

Yay?

I'm going to do another read-through and see if I can't get some better feels.

We're almost there!

Now connect the dots.
1 less scum to find = 1 more town to find
bam.
now everything connects.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

My beliefs on unions scummyness were irrelevant.

You're still dodging my question.

-L

[theaceofspades]

what question?

[Yggdra Union]

Why are we scum again?*

[Yggdra Union]

But union's reactions to it, are what bother me.

Nvm. I found it.

I don't remember saying anything about bald's case on you.

-L

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Actually 635 in itself is a really bad post.

Yeah Im getting back to this game after class.

[TheIrishPope]

I skipped the walls. Y'all write too much.

i don't think you know what strawmaning is..... you called my switching votes between you and baldeagle scummy. I switched votes because I believed you both to be scum, and was teetering on who was more scummy.

This is scum.
VOTE: aceofspades