Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Desperado]

I hate this argument. Scum reads are not required to work together. That you're using it to defend yourself leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

...why does it leave a bad taste in your mouth that I think that it's fucking dumb not to consider how your reads work together. Seriously, scum don't fucking exist in a vacuum. Why are you adverse to using that fact to scumhunt?

Because you are making a conditional statement (If Mala is scum, I am not) and then applying the statement in a way to make you appear to be town without satisfying the condition first. It's really underhanded.

And scum don't exist in a vacuum, but what constitutes scum-scum interaction and how associative tells actually work are just about the most subjective aspect of mafia in my opinion, and the argument that because you've been FOSing Mala since day one, you couldn't possibly be scum together, does not align with my perspective. Do you honestly believe that a Mala scum flip would clear you as town?

Mala should stop ATEing ;-;

mala nuuuuuuuuuuuu!

What is it about confirmed Townies and this game?

Guys, you could be fucking running the place. You could be making scum very sorry you're alive. Right now, you're making me sad that voting you isn't a fucking option.

Mala's AtE is null, particularly a 'Town doesn't want me in LYLO' bit.

And before anyone goes 'why would I want to make scum sorry I'm alive, Ghostlin? I'll get shot.'

You're. Confirmed. Fucking. Town. Getting shot is your goddamn job, along with rooting out the scum.

Nine fucking people aren't voting. You better have reasons why right the goddamn now.

IT'S ONLY DAY FUCKING THREE, WE SHOULDN'T BE FEELING APATHY NOW!

You just obliterated my read on you.

@ NS: Duh. Join me on this

Vote: FTL

[notscience]

Where did you have him before?

[Desperado]

Who?

[notscience]

Ghost

[Desperado]

Scum.

[notscience]

Ah, okay.

What do you think of my RachMeta bit?

[notscience]

/Cabd's but it bodes bad if TF is scum

[Desperado]

Ah, okay.

What do you think of my RachMeta bit?

I don't think it's reliable. IIRC when it was brought up originally someone provided some counter examples. I certainly wouldn't trust it enough to draw any conclusions from it.

[notscience]

hm, fair enough.

Thoughts on Mala's AtE?

[Desperado]

It's been basically nonstop since she replaced in and she seems pretty committed to it at this point. I'd compromise on her if necessary but if she's scum she has 0 credibility with the town and is basically a non-factor at this point--FTL and Bro are both better votes.

[Ghostlin]

My apathy shall pierce the heavens. Why is mac still alive?

Mac's still alive for the same god damn reason you are. I'm not thrilled about either of those, but that's going to be my default response when asked about you/Mac.

[Ghostlin]

Guys, you could be fucking running the place

Yeah, you don't want me running the place.

Mac -> leaning town

gives off the PR vibe

This bug anyone else?

The first: maybe not, but the apathetic inmates are already running the fucking asylum, it's bound not to be worse.

The second: The fact that FTL's wrong about the reasoning about Mac? Not so very much.

The fact that he's possibly pointing something else out he shouldn't? More than a fucking a little.

[Ghostlin]

May be V/LA next 24-72. I'll try not to be.

[zMuffinMan]

if someone wants a lynch other than mala, then present fucking reasons to vote someone other than mala.

there shouldn't be so many people not voting

[Trust Fund]

Apathy is gone. Time to stop being fucking worthless.

Mini walls inbound.

[Andrius]

bro is probably scum
tf is probably scum
no idea where my vote is
vote: trust fund

and this
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5321279

[Trust Fund]

Get better soon, andy. Whatever's going on, it's not worth getting drunk and wrecking yourself.

[Trust Fund]

In no particular order within categories.

Town:

8. Mac (Neighborhood interactions)
9. mastin2 (Actions, townposting)
6. Faster Than Light (As nacho said last game, you can't fake this level of crazy bad gambiting)
14. notscience, Midori Uzuki (innocent child, duh)
19. Trust Fund (Because it's me)
21. zMuffinMan (Day one interactions with Rach, etc)
16. Mutleyddmc (Un CC'd vig in a confirmed single scum faction game)

Town reads find them town:

20. Venmar (per mastin)

Lean null-town:

2. Andrius (If he's softing what I think he's softing, needs to be confirmed before lylo)

Null:

4. BROseidon (Reaction to my little test was good, but ffery's reads are a thing I trust)
10. Nachomamma8 (Not nearly enough action, but I'm guilty of that too, and ffery townread 'em)

To Sort:

1. Aj The Epic (Need to ISO)
5. Desperado (Factor in new castle meta data of scumgame)
7. Ghostlin (I really should have a read here)
12. Malakittens (was leaning town, sunk)
18. TiphaineDeath (need to re-evaluate)

[Trust Fund]

(For the record, syr pretty much ditched me, so it's all cabd right now. If he comes back, i'm sure he'll spam some gifs to let you all know.)

[Trust Fund]

Town
FTL

notscience

BnB

Venmar

Trust Fund

TD
Ghostlin
Aj The Epic
zMuffinMan

Bert/znon/Saki

Desperado

nickthename

Rach

Null
Andrius (fery have him as town I think)
Nachomamma (I think fery have him as leaning town)
mastin2
Mac

Scum
nhammen/Mala
BROseidon
skull/mutley

Here's ffery-gif's last reads list. She was much more sure about Bro than Mala.

[Trust Fund]

BnB's reads are fragmented everywhere, but I'll try to piece them together.

[zMuffinMan]

while sos's reads may have had something to do with why they were killed, i think it was more to do with them being a universal town read with strong influence on this player list.

i don't think it's wise to base reads on, "sos was killed; they must have been on to scum."

[Trust Fund]

Good thing that's not what I'm doing, muffin.

I always compare my reads to ffery's. Especially when her alignment in confirmed. I've hydra'd with her several times, I know her strengths and weaknesses at reading players (she's good at nacho, she's bad at rach, for example)

[zMuffinMan]

ok. then continue doing what you're doing and tell me when you decide on who you want to vote today.

btw what is the difference between "null" and "to sort"? presumably you still need to sort the nulls, no?

[Trust Fund]

To sort means I know exactly what I need to do to sort them and or i'm thinking they're scum but need to confirm before I go for blood. Nulls, otoh, I don't know what I'm going to do with them yet. but I don't see myself voting my nulls today.