Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

TheIrishPope · Post Post #750 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:27 am

I'll tell you when a certain player is dead or after the game

Alduskkel · Post Post #751 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:29 am

Why should I trust that you're not just being inconsistent?

elleheathen · Post Post #752 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:54 am

In post 731, TheIrishPope wrote:Then one claims and we're fucked

In post 733, TheIrishPope wrote:If scum claims Seer, the real Seer is forced to claim, and then it's just mountainous

So. What happened to this?

In post 402, TheIrishPope wrote:Mafia claims VT
Werewolf claims VT
VT claims VT
Seer claims VT
Soooo

Soooo if one claims seer, we lynch it anyway.
At least in baldeagle's case, if he's seer... as you say, 'we're fucked' anyway.

In post 728, Yggdra Union wrote: @elle: I remember you saying that you don't see baldeagle scum. Why?
To be honest, at first I thought of him as a lynchbait, but then I realized that fmpov about 56% of the playerlist excluding me are scum, and with some townreads I have, he might as well be scum.

-L

Originally:

In post 654, elleheathen wrote: In regards to baldeagle, I can't tell if he's scum and bad or town and bad. Normally with a slot like this, I would lynch it regardless because it's so unhelpful and distracting to town, even if it is town but after losing two towns already... idk. I'm not great at number crunching odds. The sketchiest thing to date is the vote movement to Yggdra in the space of one post between. (And that's only the sketchiest because I can't tell if his other shit is actually genuinely not understanding wtf he's doing or the things he's saying or if it's purposefully done and playing dumb on after.)

One thing I'd love a response to though is:
In post 527, 1baldeagle1 wrote: If I was scum, I would probably want to be buddies with people that I'm familiar with. People like TiP, BOOM (I know one of the heads) and elle.
You're familiar with me? One, from? And two, then what's your read on me and why?

When he came back and said he'd thought I joined one of his games (I haven't), it struck me as odd not because it was a lie but because to him, familiar = someone joined one of his games instead of knowing something about them or their meta?
Part of me still thinks that he's just clueless and using terms he doesn't understand, misreping without intent and an easy lynch target - but he could just as easily be scum doing it.

To answer the question in short, it's not that I don't see him as scum - more that I like to be more sure than 'he might as well be' to vote him.
However, it's a flip I wouldn't mind seeing because if he does flip scum, it'd give me a good enough gut read on TIP as his partner (a slot I'm super-conflicted on, atm), given the weird meta exchange/distancing/bussing that was going on between the two. (And yes, I know you have him as a town read.) But the reverse is true too and if he were to flip town, it'd clear up a lot of my gutpings on TIP, too.

We'll see...

VOTE: baldeagle

Alduskkel · Post Post #753 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:24 am

I can't tell if you actually have a scumread on baldeagle or not.

theaceofspades · Post Post #754 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:39 am

union. what have I accused you of that you haven't done? if I recall correctly, i only called you scummy for you reactions to baldeagle.

i'd also like to hear your case on me. (i ask again) because you haven't been clear. you've just been repeating over and over that i'm confirmed as scum.

Alduskkel · Post Post #755 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:46 am

Iso'd Ace and baldeagle. Weak town on ace, he comes across as genuine. Yeah, he's bandwagoned, but I think justifiably so. Also I feel like with baldeagle and YU (maybe some others, can't remember) both trying to line up his lynch tomorrow, I think ace is probably town.

What bothered me about baldeagle's iso was that he seems to get on all the main bandwagons right when they're gaining steam, i.e. at the most convenient time for him. So I think I can be okay with his lynch, but I believe if I vote for him then he goes to L-1, which I don't care to do right now.

Yggdra Union · Post Post #756 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:47 am

theaceofspades wrote:i only called you scummy for
you reactions to baldeagle.

In post 717, theaceofspades wrote:
his case
isn't very good. But
union's reactions to it
, are what bother me.

Two totally different thing.

What you just said was more open, while what you said last time was pretty specific, and the stuff that I haven't done.

If you're gonna accuse someone, at least be consistent about it.

I don't have to make a big fat case on you. Me posting like this time to time is all part of the case.

-L

Yggdra Union · Post Post #757 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:56 am

Aldus you are breaking my heart
Exactly which part from him looks genuine to you?

Look at his reason to scumread me.

In post 569, theaceofspades wrote:guys hang your heads and hold the haranguing of miss union.

The first one is not a scum slip. At all. seriously. c'mon.

the second..... i don't know......scum usually equals, "anti-town"

I really really hate playing with hydras sometimes. That said.......I still think eagle was being an idiot.....and union was always null to me....

ugh.

VOTE: union.

Here's the first time when he calls me scum.
See the reason?

"Union scumslipped"

Now this was dropped after my question.

In post 717, theaceofspades wrote:i said it looked like he was trying to push a mislynch. not that it was a mislynch. The point being. his case isn't very good. But union's reactions to it, are what bother me.

Reason here?

"I didn't like Union's reaction to baldeagle's case"

No mentioning of his previous reason, ever.

And now he drops this.

theaceofspades wrote:union. what have I accused you of that you haven't done? if I recall correctly, i only called you scummy for you reactions to baldeagle.

i'd also like to hear your case on me. (i ask again) because you haven't been clear. you've just been repeating over and over that i'm confirmed as scum.

Reason here?

"I didn't like Union's reaction to baldeagle"

They've been constantly changing, with no mentioning of previous reasons, whatsoever.

And the best part is:

There's no hint of transitioning between those reasons

How do you see this inconsistency "genuine"?

-L

Alduskkel · Post Post #758 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 6:14 am

Uh, I'll let ace respond to that before I do. (Don't want to hand him a defense.) But I maintain my stance.

TheIrishPope · Post Post #759 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:22 am

In post 751, Alduskkel wrote:Why should I trust that you're not just being inconsistent?

Well, I'm not being inconsistent.

theaceofspades · Post Post #760 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:43 am

In post 756, Yggdra Union wrote:
theaceofspades wrote:i only called you scummy for
you reactions to baldeagle.

In post 717, theaceofspades wrote:
his case
isn't very good. But
union's reactions to it
, are what bother me.
Two totally different thing.

What you just said was more open, while what you said last time was pretty specific, and the stuff that I haven't done.

If you're gonna accuse someone, at least be consistent about it.

I don't have to make a big fat case on you. Me posting like this time to time is all part of the case.

-L

are you retarded? that's the exact same thing!!!! how is that inconsistent?

theaceofspades · Post Post #761 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:46 am

I NEVER SAID IT YOU SCUMSLIPPED!!! I SAID I WASN"T SURE!!!

as a hydra it was easily possible that you scumslipped or it truly was a difference in definitions. I SAID I DON"T KNOW WHICH IT IS!!! Ii'm not voting you for a POSSIBLE scumslip.

for the love of mike take a reading comp course.

Lord Mhork · Post Post #762 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:56 am

Oy. Watch the language, people. Keep it civil.

Yggdra Union · Post Post #763 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:18 am

In post 760, theaceofspades wrote:
In post 756, Yggdra Union wrote:
theaceofspades wrote:i only called you scummy for
you reactions to baldeagle.

In post 717, theaceofspades wrote:
his case
isn't very good. But
union's reactions to it
, are what bother me.
Two totally different thing.

What you just said was more open, while what you said last time was pretty specific, and the stuff that I haven't done.

If you're gonna accuse someone, at least be consistent about it.

I don't have to make a big fat case on you. Me posting like this time to time is all part of the case.

-L

are you retarded? that's the exact same thing!!!! how is that inconsistent?

No it isn't.

The first I quoted says that you didn't like our reactions to baldeagle's posts IN GENERAL.
The second I quoted says that you didn't like our reactions to baldeagle's CASE on you, which I DIDN'T EVEN BOTHERED TO RESPONDED TO.

You slightly changed the wording.

In post 761, theaceofspades wrote:I NEVER SAID IT YOU SCUMSLIPPED!!! I SAID I WASN"T SURE!!!

as a hydra it was easily possible that you scumslipped or it truly was a difference in definitions. I SAID I DON"T KNOW WHICH IT IS!!! Ii'm not voting you for a POSSIBLE scumslip.

for the love of mike take a reading comp course.

You said we "were always null" to you, which means that you, at that point, recently changed a read on us to scumread.

the second..... i don't know......scum usually equals, "anti-town"

This is clearly mentioning the second "slip".

You mentioned NOTHING ELSE except for the "oh I hate playing with hydra."

So did you vote us at that time because you hated playing with hydra? I hope not.

Then where did the vote came from if you weren't voting us for the second slip?
Exactly where did your "scumread" on us came from at that point enough to cast a vote on us?

-L

Yggdra Union · Post Post #764 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:38 am

So if I summarize:

In post 569, theaceofspades wrote:guys hang your heads and hold the haranguing of miss union.

The first one is not a scum slip. At all. seriously. c'mon.

the second..... i don't know......scum usually equals, "anti-town"

I really really hate playing with hydras sometimes. That said.......I still think eagle was being an idiot.....and union was always null to me....

ugh.

VOTE: union.

1. Ace votes us in post 569. He clearly presented that he changed our read on us to scumread, and the only reasons provided here is 1. "something about second slip" and 2. "I hate playing with hydras." Therefore, he started to scumread us for one of these two reasons.

2. Second reason doesn't make sense to scumread anyone of, so this is probably not it.

3. First reason is not it since he now pointed out that he wasn't voting us for the slip.

4. He provided in later posts that he was scumreading us for reaction to baldeagle's posts (or his case), but it does not count here since the event he's describing happened after this post.

5. Therefore, unless he had a "hidden reasoning" (Which would be most likely BS given that he didn't say anything about it when I asked for one), he had no reason to scumread us nor vote us at that point.

That means that his vote on us in 568 was also an opportunistic jump.

-L

Yggdra Union · Post Post #765 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:39 am

Yggdra Union · Post Post #766 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:36 am

I have never played this spammy before in my entire mafia career lol

-L

KrazyEyeKilla7 · Post Post #767 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:50 am

UNVOTE:

KrazyEyeKilla7 · Post Post #768 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:52 am

Until I get more time to read your essays of posts...people are seeing something i haven't yet.

Yggdra Union · Post Post #769 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:57 am

You don't have to read everything.
ISO me and you'll see the summary I made somewhere

-L

KrazyEyeKilla7 · Post Post #770 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:03 pm

You know the # for easy ISO find?

Yggdra Union · Post Post #771 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:10 pm

Ctrl + F "Act 1"

Yggdra Union · Post Post #772 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:17 pm

Also y'all should post some read lists or something.

-L

1baldeagle1 · Post Post #773 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:32 pm

Alright, I'm back. Gimmie some time to catch up.

theaceofspades · Post Post #774 (ISO) » Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:40 pm

i subtly changed the wording??????? i was always referring to baldeagle's case on you... because what other significant posting has been done between the two of you? come on it's not that difficult. thanks for putting words in my mouth, I didn't say in general. I just said to baldeagle......which....what would I be talking about? the vast majority (virtually all) your posts reacting to baldeagle are about his case on you, the Scum slip debacle to be specific.
If you can point me to another topic that you discussed, for long enough that it would be reasonable to assume I was talking about it rather then the scum slip thing, then your inconsistency claim would hold water. You won't, because you can't, so it doesn't.

i the phrase you quote about your second "scum-slip" i LITERALLY said the words
I
DONT"
KNOW!
mentioning an issue now = endorsing it? Bull.
that means it's opportunistic? rather, it means you both read as scummy to me. You may notice that this has been my theme. and I have been very consistent with it.

"The event?" you'd never talked to eagle before? he hadn't accused you of anything? you hadn't REACTED TO HIS CASE YET?!?!??!??! that had all happened. And as you so nicely pointed out. that was the main reason for my scumread on you. I would appreciate you to STOP TWISTING MY WORDS!!!!! adding to them. and changing them.

I have no freaking clue what point 2. is supposed to say. Grammar is good for you

the hydra comment was about the fact. that if you we'rt a hydra. I would have voted you first. because the second slip would DEFINITELY have been a slip in my book as a hydra. it's possible your heads had a differing opinion and differing definitions. The definition difference claim would have meant nill to me from a non-hydra. That's why I said I hate playing with hydra's sometimes. because it screws with my reads. My reads are almost always based on posting STYLE and tone. Less so based on content. Reading a Hydra doubles my workload.

@mod. sorry i'll try to behave. try to avoid pissing me off by being totally obtuse though guys. Also. It's spelled "Oi" not "Oy" (just saying