Micro 233: ETL's Wacky Hospital (GAME OVER)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 1.17

1baldeagle1 (L-2):

Daniel Bryan, aptil, Bert

mykonian (2):

Feirei, 1baldeagle1

aptil (1):

mykonian

Wisdom (1):

helium-3

Not voting:

GIF, Wisdom

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Wednesday, September 25, 19:00 EST, which is in (expired on 2013-09-25 19:00:00).

Mod Notes:

1baldeagle1 is V/LA until Tuesday.
Feirei is V/LA on weekends forever.
Looking for a replacement for GIF and Wisdom. Tell your friends!

[1baldeagle1]

Hey, I'm back. Catching up.

[Feirei]

Unvote

I'm done. If mykonian's gonna get away with such crap like that, I'm just done.

/out

[1baldeagle1]

Alright, Myko is scummy as hell. Why are you guys all quitting? We are ready to hang him.

[Bert]

Baldeagle, what happened early on that got them onto you?

Just curious.

Good to go OT for a moment while replacements are sought.

[1baldeagle1]

I defended Sakura because when helium and Myko were 1v1ing, Sakura made a stance on it, and after that everyone was like "Guys, let's lynch Sakura because she didn't make a stance!" and I replied, "But she did...". It specifically said it was her stance. Then later she comes back and says "lolz, that wasn't a stance."

[Bert]

Who are your scumreads?

[Bert]

I haven't lightly skimmed the game for several days, and I don't remember much other than gut reads at this point. I honestly thought when I was coming in that a lynch would be achieved soon, and that the night would be a crapshoot because of the variety of doctors (LOL), and that then I would catch up.

But... looks like I'll be catching up tomorrow

[Bert]

and scum rage/replace out too it is not a freaking town tell it is null unless you can tell the difference between scum flail and town flail.

Fair enough. I still maintain that this was town-Wisdom though (the vibe I get), so I can't relate to why you were going after him.

BE is just a gut feeling - pretty strong gut scumf eeling. Something felt off about aptil when I read/skimmed the game a couple of days ago, and I'll have to dig it back up and find it. I did not mean to give the impression I'm reading everyone as scum.

Feirei, Myko, and Wisdom are townreads. I don't remember GIF. Yall had a good point about why DB is town, and I agree with that.

<DB, Myko, Wisdom, Feirei>

<Mollie, aptil> - weak scumread

<BE> - medium scumread

<GIF> don't remember him - nothing stuck out a few days ago

THAT is where I stand.

[Feirei]

nevermind. i calmed down.

plus etl is already searching for 2 replacements so that'd be bad of me.

[Feirei]

i dont want to lynch myko anymore. his last few posts, striking the ad hom, is town.

[Feirei]

aptil needs to post more.

Bert is town

helium is a gut town read of mine

BE is still scum.

Vote: baldeagle

[Feirei]

Also this is L-1 warning.

[1baldeagle1]

Feirei, what's ad hom?

Bert, it's Myko/aptil scumteam for me.

Those of you on my wagon, what's your response to 780?

[Feirei]

attacking the player and not the post, which is what myko is doing. A lot.

I'm not voting you because you defended Sakura. I am voting you because you're not even trying to scumhunt. And don't even say you're scumhunting because you aren't.

[1baldeagle1]

So, the fakehammer reaction test wasn't a scumhunt?

My earlier scumread on Myko based off the 1v1 and his recent post makes me think he's scum.

[aptil]

I find myko's reason to not vote bald extremely scummy .he is doing everything to protect that lynch .myko + bald scum team.

[mykonian]

can you plz stop being mean to wis

I don't know. If he's scum he's trolled me brilliantly, and god knows more then a couple of his posts read like that. In that case, calling names was all he was looking for and he's scum anyway. If he's town I meant every word. The same posts that read like trolling, feel like trolling, should really get the alarms sounding with every townie. Like those alarms that make you think twice, "is this this a valid point". If he's town, he never thought.


And I've been lynched before. I've been run up in similar fashion to this before, lynched a couple of times. Having seen it a couple of times, I know why it happens, the early game mislynches on me. It's parts of the way I play on forum which I believe are town that ping peoples gut. I've tried without that and suddenly I do not have to worry about d1 lynches or wagons anymore. I just really believe its town to rush past the RVS, and as explained in a post before that usually gets a reaction against me. I believe it's town to push people around, get them unconfortable, because part of the people who are unconfortable with the game are scum, and they generally want a nice and predictable game. This wasn't the first game of mine that took off early on, which had plenty of early game wagons. I want quick movements so the people who can't keep up and need to think twice for votes to see if they make sense become more obvious, or hope they make a terrible vote in their haste. I believe in that.

This has as the consequence that I seem fickle, I move around with my interests too much for my own good and people in general do not like to be pushed around. And it's not completely normal play. I get all that, and in general indeed gut based wagons appear. People vote me, then make up a reason for their gut feeling and the classical wagon on myko is a wagon with all people having different reasons why they should be there, and all of them point something out that's weird about my play. Weird. Not antitown (or at least in my opinion). Sometimes one of those wagons makes it and I'm sad, but usually there's part of the town who's either seen it before or realises what I'm trying to achieve, and generally I try to push people on my wagon to explain me why the weirdness is scummy. It's the defense I've tried to play often with mixed results. Some people become unconvinced, a couple of them stubborn, and the result there generally decides my lifetime in such a game.

In this case, when pushed, wisdom's responses were frustrating to say the least, and as said before, with plenty of posts I think/thought that he must be trolling. I'll perhaps quote a couple. I do not understand how you can make some of those and not have the alarms go off. And on top of that, people followed those posts! Like, what? I can up till some point understand that people vote me, that happens often enough. But I do not understand how people read wisdoms posts and didn't decide something was wrong, moreover actually sheeped them.

I've pm'ed etl about it as well, but I do/did not know how to deal with this. And as a conclusion, dealt poorly with it. I did not understand the laziness in which people defaulted to this wagon, beyond the target I painted on myself, there were the way other people played (bald moving on for example at least would make someone hesitate, right) and wisdoms way of pushing the wagon. I do not know how to deal with people who more or less troll in game.

So I blew up.

There's lots of stuff there I should not have said, being a grownup and all. I did mean the part where I questioned why people even played mafia.

Feirei, what's ad hom?

He takes it to be insults.

For next time, Feirei, ad hom is sneakier. Whenever there's a general argument (like, smoking is bad) where you shift to the person arguing against you and say "but you smoke yourselves!", you are making an ad hom. It's sneaky because it should not be important who says what in argument, but what he says. I wasn't arguing, just throwing insults around.

I find myko's reason to not vote bald extremely scummy .he is doing everything to protect that lynch .myko + bald scum team.

I've been waiting, I'm not avoiding. So far, each time he's been at L-1 some people weren't here. First V/la's and now replacements. I'll be there.

[mykonian]

Accuse me based on my actions, please.

Your actions are the reason you're scum.

Because it does not reasoning. It's obvious from your posts.

It's not paranoia, you're scum.

^Typical scum whining about the lack of reasons people call them scum

Beyond that, consider what I've done this game. I've been antagonizing people from the get go, have poked around, asked questions, been on a myriad of wagons. Was the guy who made the game about scumhunting and analysis about 3 posts in, even started that during pregame. I've got 150 posts and it's not because I'm very actively lurking: there's litterally interactions with everyone of you except for Gif, because he wasn't here. I've asked most of you questions, have posted reads about more then half of you so far as I can think.

Yeah, scum never do any of these things, they just stand there waiting to be lynched.

Yeah, but you do all kinds of silly stuff. I don't want to be like you.

Except you're doing it. You're deathtunneling on eagle without consider the possibility of him being town. So? Why?

So now you're arguing he didn't realize it was L-1? Earlier you said that he did it on purpose to distance from aptil.
Good job contradicting yourself.

Also, stop with the "QQ you have no case". I don't need cases to scumhunt.

Esspecially 380, 707, 716 are posts that make no sense at all. It's pure trolling, trying to get a rise out of a player. And that's fine up till some point, it might get you a more accurate read. But wisdom never goes past that, when the wagon is at L-1 he's still going on with trolling, pushing a lynch through just for the fun of it. 716 is a comparison that's so strained anyone making it would at least pause. Bald and I have a history this game, arguments flew just before the sakura wagon came up, new arguments came again when he was run up for the second time culminating to the point where he tried to selfhammer. Even wisdom can't compare his "deathtunnel" to what I'm saying about bald.

And you actually sheeped this. I think I better take a break again.

[aptil]

You can end this now.

[mykonian]

while Bert is finally rereading and we are waiting for two replacements?

We are in no hurry.

[aptil]

while Bert is finally rereading and we are waiting for two replacements?

We are in no hurry.

you have no intention to do it.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Who replaces GuyInFreezer. Thanks, Who!


Still looking for a replacement for Wisdom.

[Who]

Who replaced GIF?
Yes I will use that joke.

Reading, currently on page 6.

[mykonian]

while Bert is finally rereading and we are waiting for two replacements?

We are in no hurry.

you have no intention to do it.

I do and I don't think I've ever made a secret out of that, or my opinion on what in my eyes is the most convincing point against bald, his missed selfhammer.

hi who.