In post 6074, ffullisade wrote:
I'm acting different than DP which at the time I knew who was scum. Here I have not a clue who the scum are because I'm town.
I'll need more than DP to have a clue what you're talking about.
Ffery, I find it hard to believe you've forgotten
Donner Party already.
Ok, so you must think he's blue scum if you're going with uneven scumteams and a powerful red team. Is that the case, or are you just keeping your options open?
In post 6099, ffullisade wrote:
You basically caught CTD and convinced me you were right with a symmetry argument.
Excuse me? I caught CTD and had to convince Nacho to lynch his scummy butt.
In post 6106, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Pedit: Reds have no reason to quickhammer when they will be shot by a remaining blue when they do so.
I thought you were going with uneven scumteams and red having a roleblocker. Wouldn't red just block the other team then?
In post 6112, penguin_alien wrote:Nacho's red roleblocker theory makes sense, and it could be balanced with two of the red scum in the neighborhoods and thus vulnerable to being outed/caught. It certainly explains why scum didn't block the vig kill when they thought it was going on CTD but did when it was clear that ThAd might shoot elsewhere the next night/shoot without discussing with with his neighbor.
It could be balanced by 2 red scum in the neighborhoods? I thought you were sheeping Nacho's theory that the red team was the more powerful team, with only 3 members, all PRs. How does putting 2 of the red in the neighborhoods balance things out, especially if you're pairing one of them (the roleblocker according to you) with the vig!? Seriously, this doesn't make sense at all! It's like you saw someone else put forward a theory that could possibly save your butt and make you look town, and you thought "Hey, I can get behind that. In fact, let me add to the insanity by spouting off nonsense.". It's like you want people to know you're scum.
Okay, I've actually been going back and forth with myself over whether I should continue reading through ISOs or whether I should just use the information that's been given in the thread recently. However, it just seems that scum are getting desperate and are shooting off their mouths, giving themselves away. In fact, so much has been said the past few days, that I have more than enough to go off of. Here's how it stands:
PV: Conf. Town. Any attempt to say otherwise is merely scum trying to set up lynches. It makes no sense whatsoever that he'd be scum, as his placement in the neighborhoods would give either team too much power. PA and Nacho have both tried casting suspicion on him today, and I think they revealed their hand because of it.
Ffullisade: Town due to PoE. I'm still nervous about her, especially after what Ffery did to me in
Achievement Unlocked, but I can't see her being scum with Marangal. Also, her confusion and paranoia look real.
Marangal: Red scum. An ISO readthrough actually helped here. She's been buddying up to players since the beginning of the game, especially on the B&B/Ffullisade slot. In fact, that's the only reason why she had a Cephrir scumread: B&B had one. She puts both of her partners on her scumlist, yet when it comes time to push them and wagon them
she refuses to
! Seriously, there was a Seanald wagon on d3, and she refused to get on it. She's been like that on wagons since, she absolutely refuses to get on wagons, normally calling them wagons on town. In fact, she's acquiesced so much in this game, most notably with Nero. I mean, who says "Yes, everything he's saying about how scummy I am is right.". It's like she wants people to see how compliant she is and not vote her. That's been her play: To do everything she can not to get lynched. AtE? Check. Say you're being framed? Check. Ask to replace out out of frustration? Check and double check. Seriously, on that last one, it's like she said "They read me as town last time I tried this. Let's try it again." She's been flailing a lot the past few game days and has been throwing out unsubstantiated claims and "revelations", all while refusing to elaborate on them when asked. She's in pure survival mode, and doesn't care a bit about scumhunting. And for those who are saying that Mala and Mara would have to be playing the best scum game of their lives, Mala convinced me that she was town in Donner Party, when she was really mafia. I only was able to figure it out the final night via PoE.
Nacho: Red scum. If he hadn't have said anything, I might not have caught him, as his ISO still comes across as so town. But then he comes back from V/LA and the first thing he does is...role the dice to see who to vote in Lylo? Then he states that we have uneven scumteams of 4 blue and 3 red, and that red is the most powerful with all members being PRs. Okay...where did he get this from? Then he says that PV could still be scum, because giving one team access to a vig is not unbalanced at all. After all, you have to keep that PV option open. Then he says that Ninja + Roleblocker is not as powerful as Doctor + Tracker. Why not? One side has an investigative immune role and a blocking role, while the other has a protective role and an investigative role. Not to mention that the blocking role can interfere with the protective and the investigative role AND the NK. So why is that combination less powerful? Then he states that blue can just kill red tonight, when he has just gotten done saying that red has a roleblocker. How does that work? Couldn't the red just block the blue and control the tempo of the game? Why have you forgotten this? This should be a major consideration in your theory. You can't have "There is a very small, very powerful red team." and "Well, blue can just kill the red tonight if we miss." In a game this small, chances are that red will be able to successfully block the blue kill. Then he says that PA and I are scum, but are on opposite teams. But didn't you just say earlier that PV was scum? What happened to that? Again, you can't have it both ways. Seriously, this theory has enough holes in it for it to qualify as a Swiss dairy product. This theory only serves as a way to distract everybody from Nacho's team and allow them to walk away with the win.
PA: Blue scum. I'll have to admit, BS bussing Red Ryu was brilliant. It's too bad that PA dropped all that when she replaced in. BS's attack on Nacho also shows that they can't be on the same team. The attack is still as bad as I remember it when reading back over the ISO (Nacho is scum, because Bacde said he was bussing.), and the qualifying every single rebuttal by Nacho as a lie, even when it's obviously not, still pings like crazy. Again, that kind of argumentation, discrediting everything as a lie instead of addressing it, is a quick and dirty form of mudslinging whose only purpose is to quickly push a lynch without anyone noticing how bad the case is. And then we have PA's soft defense of Thez, which still holds up on a readthrough. She says that she couldn't believe that Thez would do something like that, based off of a recent game, but shouldn't she have considered that he was fakeclaiming
because
of that game? All that post of hers does is softly defend him and give him a possible out, while trying to shift attention back to Bacde. Then you have the way she's posted during this day phase. She comes in immediately and takes charge, as if to say "Hey, I'm active. I can't possibly be scum. Don't mind me. Give me towncred.". Then all of her pushes today have been less about making cases based on actions, but rather about "Well, there's a possibility that Bulb could have been protected rather than JK'd, so we should lynch because of it.". Again, if that was secondary evidence in a larger case, I wouldn't mind, but she's pushing the lynch based
only
on an unconfirmed night action. Then she sheeps Nacho's theory at a moment's notice. She doesn't question it. She blindly accepts it and tries to use it to open up the possibility of a PV lynch. She asked about why she would be pushing a mislynch, and that bothered me for awhile, because with everything going on, I was wondering if I had misread everything. But then I realized that it's not about whether it's a mislynch or not. Like Mara, PA is in pure survival mode, and she doesn't care who gets lynched, as long as it's not her.
Vote Nachomamma8
Nacho-scum today, and then whichever scum is left tomorrow.
