Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Tip, why was I lying about your town meta and YU wasn't?

Yeah, Om is scum.

Alduskell, I was suspicious of ace all day. That vote didn't come from out of nowhere.

Should I claim now?

Making an OMGUS accusation at L-1?

[theaceofspades]

om isn't scum..... no way. come on bald try to be better then this.

[elleheathen]

Still want to hear more from: Boom, Trumpet King, elle, Krazy, TIP, Om.

Hear more of?

[Alduskkel]

Alduskell, I was suspicious of ace all day. That vote didn't come from out of nowhere.

Should I claim now?

I'm just skeptical of whether or not you genuinely changed your read of YU.

And yeah, you should probably claim.

@elle: Not sure what you're asking, but I'd like you to tell me if you have a scumread on baldeagle or not, because your last post was awfully vague about it (even if you are voting him).

[Yggdra Union]

What she asked is what do you want to hear about from those you mentioned.

-L

[Yggdra Union]

om isn't scum..... no way. come on bald try to be better then this.

Why?

-L

[Yggdra Union]

I'm not going to stop talking because of some random plan that you have, TIP.

@Om: I'll grant you that you've expressed town reads on Krazy, elle, and Yggdra, but I don't think you've said much of anything about TIP at all. Also, why is Yggdra town?

TIP is pretty much town by extension of Klick being town and also TIP hasn't given me bad vibes either so yeah.
Yggdra is town because gut and I liked Yggdra's responses to the whole "scumslip" fiasco. Also what I pointed out about the change in posting style made sense when taken into consideration the identity of the two players.

Hold un a sec.
How would you know my posting style?
We only played like 1 game together, and that was not my... Best game I've played.
(Goddammit compulsive gladiator)

-L

[theaceofspades]

there's no scum case on her/him (i'm to lazy to look) absolutely none. And I have ZERO gut pointing to her being scum. No gut+no evidence=not scum.

adding to the bald case. he is moving from target to target on horrible to almost okay cases, as if he's trying to find someone that his "points" will stick too. Just like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting but is really just trying to get people lynched.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Still want to hear more from: Boom, Trumpet King, elle, Krazy, TIP, Om.

Hear more of?

Get our opinions on reads of people and such, even though the last 3-4 pages have been 90% Yggdra

[1baldeagle1]

I called Om scum earlier, so no, that wasn't OMGUS.

ace, just because you don't think that Om is scum doesn't make me scum.

And, I'm a VT.

I could see a Om/YU wolf team and a TIP, ace, Trumpet King mafia team. To me, it just looks like that YU and Om are just bussing each other. Trumpet King was a guess, I didn't really have a 5th scumread. TIP is because he's lying about the fact that I lied. Ace, yeah you know why.

[Yggdra Union]

> Om is townreading me
> calls it bussing

-L

[Yggdra Union]

there's no scum case on her/him (i'm to lazy to look) absolutely none. And I have ZERO gut pointing to her being scum. No gut+no evidence=not scum.

adding to the bald case. he is moving from target to target on horrible to almost okay cases, as if he's trying to find someone that his "points" will stick too. Just like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting but is really just trying to get people lynched.

So basically no shirt, no shoes, no service?

-L

[1baldeagle1]

Hmm, swear I saw Om voting for you. Man, I'm dense. Anyways, that was a convenient L-1 vote on me, as he is OMGUSing me. He was also going for the newbie lynch yesterday.

Scumreads still stand.

[Yggdra Union]

Few posts ago you called me null and you're magically calling me scum again?
I think that's omgusing too.

-L

[1baldeagle1]

It was PoE, Yggdra.

[Yggdra Union]

Trumpet King was a guess,

I didn't really have a 5th scumread.

Sure it was PoE.

-L

[1baldeagle1]

Yeah, Trumpet was the last null and everyone was town. So I tossed him in the scum pile. So, yep, that's PoE.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

??? i'd love to hear the reasoning behind the scum-case on me from anyone. seriously

Lol, pretty much the same case on baldy.
The case on your treatment of fuzzy. Thats what makes you scum

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Yeah pushing YU's statement is terribad.

IT WAS NOT A SCUMSLIP

Moving on, lets lynch people claiming its a scum slip.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

i said it looked like he was trying to push a mislynch. not that it was a mislynch

. The point being. his case isn't very good. But union's reactions to it, are what bother me.

so he's pushing a lynch on bad evidence. which is "pushing a mislynch" that's an attitude and a POV from baldeagle, that i'm suggesting.

My beliefs on unions scummyness were irrelevant.

Then youre implying that you think its a mislynch. Which invalidates your whole explanation

No idea what the second bolded means, its like youre the strawman who'll go with the flow.

DP

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

If scum claims Seer, the real Seer is forced to claim, and then it's just mountainous

Neither. One is eating rope today, and another is eating rope tomorrow.
-L

GIF who do you think is more likely to escape lylo with a scum win, ace or eagle?
exactly

LOL, TIP, this could happen no matter what the lynch order is.

In fact, we could lynch one today and the other tomorrow. Why should we go for ace today?

Aldus, you bringing up the plan doesnt really do anything because now that you said it, it cant be used anymore. Not liking the long post explaining the details at all.

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Then one claims and we're fucked

If scum claims Seer, the real Seer is forced to claim, and then it's just mountainous

So. What happened to this?

Mafia claims VT
Werewolf claims VT
VT claims VT
Seer claims VT
Soooo

Soooo if one claims seer, we lynch it anyway.
At least in baldeagle's case, if he's seer... as you say, 'we're fucked' anyway.

@elle: I remember you saying that you don't see baldeagle scum. Why?
To be honest, at first I thought of him as a lynchbait, but then I realized that fmpov about 56% of the playerlist excluding me are scum, and with some townreads I have, he might as well be scum.

-L

Originally:

In regards to baldeagle, I can't tell if he's scum and bad or town and bad. Normally with a slot like this, I would lynch it regardless because it's so unhelpful and distracting to town, even if it is town but after losing two towns already... idk. I'm not great at number crunching odds. The sketchiest thing to date is the vote movement to Yggdra in the space of one post between. (And that's only the sketchiest because I can't tell if his other shit is actually genuinely not understanding wtf he's doing or the things he's saying or if it's purposefully done and playing dumb on after.)

One thing I'd love a response to though is:

If I was scum, I would probably want to be buddies with people that I'm familiar with. People like TiP, BOOM (I know one of the heads) and elle.

You're familiar with me? One, from? And two, then what's your read on me and why?

When he came back and said he'd thought I joined one of his games (I haven't), it struck me as odd not because it was a lie but because to him, familiar = someone joined one of his games instead of knowing something about them or their meta?
Part of me still thinks that he's just clueless and using terms he doesn't understand, misreping without intent and an easy lynch target - but he could just as easily be scum doing it.

To answer the question in short, it's not that I don't see him as scum - more that I like to be more sure than 'he might as well be' to vote him.
However, it's a flip I wouldn't mind seeing because if he does flip scum, it'd give me a good enough gut read on TIP as his partner (a slot I'm super-conflicted on, atm), given the weird meta exchange/distancing/bussing that was going on between the two. (And yes, I know you have him as a town read.) But the reverse is true too and if he were to flip town, it'd clear up a lot of my gutpings on TIP, too.

We'll see...

VOTE: baldeagle

I can't tell if you actually have a scumread on baldeagle or not.

Hear hear.
Its like you dont read him as scum yet want him lynched. Mostly people settle for compromises when someone is at L-1 or L-2

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

I'll agree with Alduskell, that I'm getting really tired of the whole scumslip thing.

Yggdra, I was finally able to read your whole Act thing (which was helpful, by the way, I had a hard time trying to see through your explanation)and I do see some sense in them, so Yggdra is a null for me now.

I am up for an ace lynch due to the really scummy opportunistic vote and the OMGUS.

VOTE: ace

I'll read Ald's thing about the seer later tonight. Don't feel like read a wall of text at the moment due to me being tired from the amount of things happening during my V/LA.

Hi, aren't you the one who kept trying to lynch YU over a scum slip?

Ace resorting to ad hominem. And his whole defense of "I dont know if its a scum slip or not" is a pretty soft stances considering he voted for YU over it

[theaceofspades]

there's no scum case on her/him (i'm to lazy to look) absolutely none. And I have ZERO gut pointing to her being scum. No gut+no evidence=not scum.

adding to the bald case. he is moving from target to target on horrible to almost okay cases, as if he's trying to find someone that his "points" will stick too. Just like he's trying to look like he's scumhunting but is really just trying to get people lynched.

So basically no shirt, no shoes, no service?

-L

pants are optional.

@BOOM

basically I was saying while I disagreed with baldeagle's case, and pointed out why, I still agreed that union was scum. My views on his scummyness are independent of my views of Union's scummyness.

[Yggdra Union]

Yeah, Trumpet was the last null and everyone was town. So I tossed him in the scum pile. So, yep, that's PoE.

First of all, stay on topic. I'm talking about your read change on me.
You had null on me, and then change to scumread because I was "bussing each other with Om."
I proved that wrong, you say that your scumreads still stand because, PoE.

Second of all, I call BS on your so-called PoE.
What I bolded in my previous post shows that you've been scumhunting, therefore you scumreading someone via PoE is a lie. You should've been townreading ppl based on PoE if you were actually using PoE.

-L