A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Zdenek]

What were you thinking when you suggested that Thor could be a universal miller?

[Amrun]

I didn't. At all. It seemed to me that you were suggesting he SHOULD be, and that because he wasn't, he was scum. It was la la land shit, man.

[Zdenek]

ANY MILLER RETURNS TOWN TO NON-STANDARD COP ROLES, OR IT IS THEN NOT A MILLER BUT SOMETHING ELSE (ie a universal miller, a gravedigger, etc.)

[Eddard Stark]

Day 1, Vc 17

PrideandJoy (1) -

Amrun

kanyeknowsbest (3) -

Andrius, ooba, PeaceBringer

elleheathen (3) -

Garruk Relentless, kanyeknowsbest, Thor665

quadz08 (6) -

Shadoweh, StupendousMan, Benmage, macmollie, Cephrir, Nautilius

Amrun (1) -

Tierce

ooba (4) -

Alfred Borden, quadz08, Goat on a Raft, PrideandJoy

StupendousMan (1)-

Tammy

Thor665 (1) -

Zdenek

Not voting (4)

- Messiah Complex, SafetyDance, Syryana, elleheathen

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor and Benmage are V/la

If there are any VC mistakes please let me know

[Amrun]

ANY MILLER RETURNS TOWN TO NON-STANDARD COP ROLES, OR IT IS THEN NOT A MILLER BUT SOMETHING ELSE (ie a universal miller, a gravedigger, etc.)

I am not sure you have read this post properly.

[Benmage]

I think you are running up town. Care to help me find scum???

You read town... but your stupendous vote does have much worth sheeping...

[Benmage]

^doesn't**

[Zdenek]

Well, I am not suggesting that since he's a universal miller and that since he's not, he's scum. I am suggesting his claim is bullshit.

The only thing that makes any sense so far, is that he would show up as miller to a role cop, and be town since scum-miller is lolzy. But then why say not regular cop, why not just be clear and say role-cop.

[Amrun]

There are a ton of non-cop informative roles...

[Zdenek]

There are a ton of non-cop informative roles...

That investigate people as town?

[Amrun]

At this point, I will let Thor reply -- after he says something, I will answer you, though.

[Goat on a Raft]

Amrun is right. The claim is not weird.

[Zdenek]

Eh. I just read through a list of roles, and at this point, there's really no use in pushing Thor on the matter.

[ooba]

@Elle:

Wow - I completely missed that. I didn't associate "How's that help your read of my roleclaim?" with "My vote on you is serious now." (even though there's a line space; the brain misses these things at times). This is how I read the entire post:

Spoiler: Thor's original post

Also, seriously, my rolename will help you quantify the validity of the rather normal and pointed claim of 'Miller'?

Uh...no, it doesn't work like that with a Miller claim.

Sure, if I'd claimed ' post restricted 3-shot day vig hormonal sociopath' and then *didn't* nameclaim Caetlyn, okay, sure, maybe you have something going.
But Miller? Meh - there's only about EVERY FREAKIN' CHARACTER who is shades of gray in this series, so...yeah, I don't think it would help you do jack.

My vote on you is serious now.
How's that help your read of my roleclaim?

- Start off with a question
- Explain why your logic doesn't work
- Reinforce with question again
Thor's accusation of a misrep makes a lot more sense now.

Ah. I guess the wording "rolefishing" was wrong usage on my part since Thor had already claimed Miller - "flavour fishing" then - and flavour fishing is not an accusation as scummy since I've seen both curious and skeptical townies do it.

The last point about me not asking a question; It's not as if you wouldn't have replied irrespective of whether or not I added a "?" at the end.

@Quadz:

- Based on my reads, you knew what I thought on about a quarter of the playlist. Sure you may not have reasoning backing them up but it is content.
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why does the vote on you matter more?

Because it's a vote on me?

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@Nautilius:

Thank you for 473. I still don't have a read on you - but that's the best "defense of ooba" post I've seen in quite a while.
Addn: Slight town read for 484 - exactly what I was thinking after -

"This quadz wagon is lame. ooba is better. elle is town."

- Amrun's voting me? Scroll up to VC - nope.

[Tammy]

Well, I am not suggesting that since he's a universal miller and that since he's not, he's scum. I am suggesting his claim is bullshit.

The only thing that makes any sense so far, is that he would show up as miller to a role cop, and be town since scum-miller is lolzy. But then why say not regular cop, why not just be clear and say role-cop.

In faradays last upick, my partner was a scum miller.

Roles, then alignments.

[Syryana]

Hi Tammy!

[Benmage]

Well, I am not suggesting that since he's a universal miller and that since he's not, he's scum. I am suggesting his claim is bullshit.

The only thing that makes any sense so far, is that he would show up as miller to a role cop, and be town since scum-miller is lolzy. But then why say not regular cop, why not just be clear and say role-cop.

Character cop?

[Amrun]

Well, I am not suggesting that since he's a universal miller and that since he's not, he's scum. I am suggesting his claim is bullshit.

The only thing that makes any sense so far, is that he would show up as miller to a role cop, and be town since scum-miller is lolzy. But then why say not regular cop, why not just be clear and say role-cop.

In faradays last upick, my partner was a scum miller.

Roles, then alignments.

Is it the same for this game?

[Benmage]

I'm down for a D1 policy lynch. I don't get why Thor says site meta he's confirmed town??? Because he opened claiming.. so? Faraday himself has had scum partners open claiming miller, and then go onto win. So opening while, optimal site strategy (i guess in MD)... doesn't prove jack shit.

Its D1... lets do it.

unvote vote Thor

@Thor

why did you have Casso as a Upick, and was he your first pick?

[Tammy]

Amrun - I'm on my phone so can't quote, but yes, roles were assigned first then alignments. He says in the second post that roles were assigned first then alignments.

Hi syryana!

[Benmage]

@Tammy

, what do you think of thor?

[Thor665]

It's not "I know Thor reads everything so much as "I know Thor tries pretty hard at this game so I would think he'd want all the available information". But if you say you don't always read everything, I believe you. If you want me to refer to past games anyhow- I thought I'd played with you prior to my first departure from the site, but I don't think that's possible due to your join date, so I must just be thinking of Open 326, which I briefly returned for and then re-disappeared.

I feel like you sort of extracted the whole 'Thor would read everything' belief from wholecloth, yes/no?

oh god I think thor is actually scum this game but I made a promise to myself not to go after him right away cos it will only clog the game up with the mollie/thor shitshow

You are so terrible at reading me I am amazed that you continue to act like you have any capability to do so.

You know that there are non-regular cops in the game?

I know what my role PM told me about cops in this game, and now you do too.

I don't see the misrep by ooba that Thor is pushing.

That's odd because;

Thor's accusation of a misrep makes a lot more sense now.

Ooba was able to figure it out.
Why so thick?

Wait, what? Wouldn't your role PM already tell you how you'd show up to cop investigations?

I think it did, and I provided you that information.
Oh, wait, are you accussing me of claiming that the mod didn't reveal the existence or lack thereof of multiball in my Miller PM?
Because that seems pretty normal really.

Thor,
1) Have you read/watched the series?
2) Why did you pick Casso?

1. Read all of it.
Watched Season 1-2, not 3 yet.

2. Why wouldn't I pick Casso, he's one of the kings and will clearly soon sit the Seastone Chair.

Anyway, I don't buy that the mods would have informed the miller about the presence of non-standard cops, so Thor's miller claim looks bogus,
- I'm a miller, but you could still investigate me as town.

What's your read on Benmage?

I don't know if...well I don't put anything past Thor...but I don't know how to really read Thor, or don't think I do

Oh...filed under 'things I should sig'

All the people giving Thor possible responses are irritating me to no end.

Is this another case of 'I could catch scum Thor, if only he were made to answer a really weakball question ver 2.0?
Because it feels like it.
Seriously, how pathetic of a scum player does everyone here think I am? I don't recall too many of you being part of leading brilliant lynches of me last I checked.
Just saying.

compare that to KKB's behavior which demonstrates wagon jumping... now if people tell me that is his normal town play, fine, and when I have time it may be concerning enough to meta check...

Um...how is wagon jumping scummy in any way at all?
Especially in the first few days of Day 1?

I'm down for a D1 policy lynch. I don't get why Thor says site meta he's confirmed town???

I'm saying site meta is to treat me like confirmed town.
Which, you'll already note a decent pile of town, and probably most of the scum are already doing.
Probably one scum is going to be willing to lob his cantaloupes into the ring and push on me a bit - care to explain how I'm scum for claiming a belief about site meta?
I could use a laugh.

Oh, and I picked Casso because I wanted to be a Miller.
Obviously.

I think that Elle thing is town now.
Painfully newb, but at least unlike the other newbs here, managing to seep out some town vibes.
Paranoia is a hell of a drug.

Sort of want to lynch Benny or Zeddy now.
Benny manages to make very slightly less sense than Zeddy - and that takes some doing.

Unvote: Elli-alaphabet
Vote: Benmage

I may be down with the ooba lulz wagon, but I'll admit the copping to the misrep actually feels townish. Ooba is certainly skilled enough that might be a feint to the growing pressure...but my gut kind of says town on that one too, so I think we can do better.
Let's lynch Benny for lulz, I like to lynch him Day 1 anyway.

[Benmage]

I'm down for a D1 policy lynch. I don't get why Thor says site meta he's confirmed town???

I'm saying site meta is to treat me like confirmed town.
Which, you'll already note a decent pile of town, and probably most of the scum are already doing.
Probably one scum is going to be willing to lob his cantaloupes into the ring and push on me a bit - care to explain how I'm scum for claiming a belief about site meta?
I could use a laugh.

Oh, and I picked Casso because I wanted to be a Miller.
Obviously.

I think that Elle thing is town now.
Painfully newb, but at least unlike the other newbs here, managing to seep out some town vibes.
Paranoia is a hell of a drug.

Sort of want to lynch Benny or Zeddy now.
Benny manages to make very slightly less sense than Zeddy - and that takes some doing.

Unvote: Elli-alaphabet
Vote: Benmage

I may be down with the ooba lulz wagon, but I'll admit the copping to the misrep actually feels townish. Ooba is certainly skilled enough that might be a feint to the growing pressure...but my gut kind of says town on that one too, so I think we can do better.
Let's lynch Benny for lulz, I like to lynch him Day 1 anyway.

Where does site meta say to treat you as confirmed town? For claiming D1??? I just fucking showed that is idiotic logic.
-I'm calling you scum for you're zomgconftown push.
--You are far from conftown, Do I ever care what the peasants think? I'm the Hand for a reason.

-You picked Casso because you wanted to be a Miller.
--Refresh my memory, in asoif how is Casso the logical Miller choice? Moreover Faraday made it quite clear characters don't determine alignment, as someone just said, scum miller.

-Why do you want me lynched/think I'm scum?

[Thor665]

Where does site meta say to treat you as confirmed town? For claiming D1??? I just Smurfing showed that is idiotic logic.

Sweet - I never claimed it was logical, all I said was it was site meta to do so.
My evidence is in this thread.
But feel free to go and find me a Day 1 Miller claim where the Miller claimed as part of their first post and was then lynched anytime in the next three days.
I'll wait.

-I'm calling you scum for you're zomgconftown push.
--You are far from conftown, Do I ever care what the peasants think? I'm the Hand for a reason.

So, I'm scum because...I think my role is confirmable and an unlikely scum claim?
Brilliant...?

-You picked Casso because you wanted to be a Miller.
--Refresh my memory, in asoif how is Casso the logical Miller choice? Moreover Faraday made it quite clear characters don't determine alignment, as someone just said, scum miller.

He is the king of all his peoples and the most beloved king of any king in the series.
Yet, people don't give him the respect he deserves.
Sad really.

-Why do you want me lynched/think I'm scum?

I already said why - which part didn't you understand?

[PeaceBringer]

Um...how is wagon jumping scummy in any way at all?
Especially in the first few days of Day 1?

it is a behavior that stands out, enough for me to warrant curiosity. It does seem out of character for him the few games I have looked at... and you are just lulz voting... which is fine by me as used to pretty much total lulz voting on day one...but want something out of alignment it is KKB's behavior imo...