A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Thor665]

Can you link me to a KKB game where he didn't jump votes?
Because it seems exceedingly in character for him to me.

[PeaceBringer]

Can you link me to a KKB game where he didn't jump votes?
Because it seems exceedingly in character for him to me.

I am not talking about vote jumping... vote jumping is something different than wagon hopping both of which are null behaviors. However, in games such as http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28450 no such behavior. Bounced around other games as well and had not noted the behavior but I looked at iso's on that game and quick glances do not demonstrate wagon hopping. He has not shifted his vote to wagon again yet so that remains to be seen. Just something sets me off... something doesn't fit quite right

[Benmage]

Where does site meta say to treat you as confirmed town? For claiming D1??? I just Smurfing showed that is idiotic logic.

Sweet - I never claimed it was logical, all I said was it was site meta to do so.
My evidence is in this thread.
But feel free to go and find me a Day 1 Miller claim where the Miller claimed as part of their first post and was then lynched anytime in the next three days.
I'll wait.

I asked for this site meta... Can you show it?

-As far I knew, site meta is for you to claim opening post. Check. Then again, from what I recall is to simply treat you as any other player and go off of your play. NOT have you as confirmtown by any means whatsoever. Also for sometime following KK's infamous fake miller gambit win, meta was to lynch millers on site. Which I fucking agree with, and rather just yell at mods for being fucking pricks. Jesters Godfathers Cops... I thought this was a game of logic and wits, not random dice rolls.

ZZZ FARADAY

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-What inthread evidence? You saying its site meta.. thats not evidence.. I want the MD discussion that popular opinion has somehow shifted to treating miller claims as conftown. I mean thats mindfuckingly stupid. You yourself agree its not logical... so why the fuck even follow it?

-I'm calling you scum for you're zomgconftown push.
--You are far from conftown, Do I ever care what the peasants think? I'm the Hand for a reason.

So, I'm scum because...I think my role is confirmable and an unlikely scum claim?
Brilliant...?

Pretty much yes. It is day one..I think you're the type of player fully capable of trying to gambit miller claim. What awe inspiring case you looking for?
Why am I scum again?
Brilliant...?

-And confirmable, role means what as far as alignment goes... thats right zilch. Hence your agrenda to force conftown yourself reads scummy.

-You picked Casso because you wanted to be a Miller.
--Refresh my memory, in asoif how is Casso the logical Miller choice? Moreover Faraday made it quite clear characters don't determine alignment, as someone just said, scum miller.

He is the king of all his peoples and the most beloved king of any king in the series.
Yet, people don't give him the respect he deserves.
Sad really.

King of what... Seals... I don't even remember him from the series (I've read em all)... and his wiki is practically non-existent.

Yet you picked Casso with the predetermined idea that you'd get the Miller role, and you did get the Miller role.

I'M CALLING SHENANIGANS.

(Also Thor what 4 other requests did you send, and was Casso your first pick, or first named?)

[Amrun]

...benmage

-.-

What are the likelihood that you took that seriously as town vs taking the opportunity to push that as scum? I'm leaning the former, actually, but seriously... -.-

Sarcasm is tech.

[Goat on a Raft]

Benmage, this is painful. Please stop.

[PeaceBringer]

Can you link me to a KKB game where he didn't jump votes?
Because it seems exceedingly in character for him to me.

beginning to wonder if you are buddies with KKB as you misrepresented what I said, I went diving a little more and still nothing resembling band wagon voting...it actually seems quite different than that...

[Benmage]

I havent read much of anything....

What am I missing?

[Benmage]

...benmage

-.-

What are the likelihood that you took that seriously as town vs taking the opportunity to push that as scum? I'm leaning the former, actually, but seriously... -.-

Sarcasm is tech.

Thor isn't a miller??

Can we not be so vague... I haven't really had the opportunity to read the 20 pages.

Or what sarcasm am I missing? internetsarcamisreallyhardtosee

[Thor665]

[Thor665]

But, no, I am a Miller, but, yes, there may have been sarcasm somewhere in my claim.

[Thor665]

I can't even respond to this thread right now without laughing.
Pardon me, I'll be back later. We'll see what questions people wish to stand behind as demanding answers about.

[Benmage]

Why are we fucking 22 pages into the game and still acting like children.. Now I remember why I took a Haitus from mafia... the level of play is pathetic.

[PeaceBringer]

Why are we fucking 22 pages into the game and still acting like children.. Now I remember why I took a Haitus from mafia... the level of play is pathetic.

:sigh: we probably will not get along...

[Amrun]

Yet you picked Casso with the predetermined idea that you'd get the Miller role,

Sarcasm.

[Cephrir]

Also, people were jumping to claim it being a scum slip that the scum team were made up of wights, which is impossible. Faraday picks roles first in upicks. Then he picks alignments. A wight could be town, while Rob Stark could be scum.

What do you think of what Tierce and Shadoweh said about this?

Anyway, I don't buy that the mods would have informed the miller about the presence of non-standard cops, so Thor's miller claim looks bogus,
- I'm a miller, but you could still investigate me as town.

Unvote
Vote Thor

This is the most bullshit vote I've EVER seen in my life.

ANY MILLER RETURNS TOWN TO NON-STANDARD COP ROLES, OR IT IS THEN NOT A MILLER BUT SOMETHING ELSE (ie a universal miller, a gravedigger, etc.)

Saying so is not giving additional information and suggesting this is like, blowing my fucking mind. I need to sit with this a bit because my initial reaction is to call zdenek scum for this because he's not a fucking idiot, but it might be kneejerk there.

This quadz wagon is lame. ooba is better. elle is town.

thor will sort itself out.

I believe I've seen it, but also, it's astonishing to me that this looks worse to you than anything else in the thread. What could possibly be alignment indicative about his misunderstanding even if you're completely right?

What does any of that have to do with my pride and joy read?

you aren't pushing it and most people are calling them town
my first expectation is that you're looking for a nice wagon to jump on

Kanye is clearly town-kanye here,

You're that sure about this read AND you expect town-Zdenek to pick up in it? Why?

First point seems lame. I don't find Amrun's behavior wrt chesskid to be out of line.

Agrred on second. I don't think kanye is obviously town by any stretch of the imagination, so I don't see why it should be obvious.

If what I've already said on the matter hasn't inspired people to vote for Pride and Joy, repeating myself like a broken record won't, either. If Pride and Joy continues to strike me as scummy, I'll point out scummy things as they occur. I don't even understand the style of play you're advocating, but it's safe to say it isn't mine.

Yeah, I kinda hate getting attacked because I'm not jumping down my suspects' throats. It takes a lot to get me to do that.

All the people giving Thor possible responses are irritating me to no end.

I didn't really think of this, so sorry. But it's really hard not to respond when you say something so preposterous, like, say you got a cop innocent on someone and voted them because that's suspicious. It's just too baffling not to say anything.

Expect me to accidentally wander into others' lines of questioning like this, I'm very oblivious about that strategy.

I'm down for a D1 policy lynch. I don't get why Thor says site meta he's confirmed town??? Because he opened claiming.. so? Faraday himself has had scum partners open claiming miller, and then go onto win. So opening while, optimal site strategy (i guess in MD)... doesn't prove jack shit.

Its D1... lets do it.

unvote vote Thor

@Thor

why did you have Casso as a Upick, and was he your first pick?

what

no

why

this is stupid

It's not "I know Thor reads everything so much as "I know Thor tries pretty hard at this game so I would think he'd want all the available information". But if you say you don't always read everything, I believe you. If you want me to refer to past games anyhow- I thought I'd played with you prior to my first departure from the site, but I don't think that's possible due to your join date, so I must just be thinking of Open 326, which I briefly returned for and then re-disappeared.

I feel like you sort of extracted the whole 'Thor would read everything' belief from wholecloth, yes/no?

Assuming this means "you're basically jumping to unjustified conclusions right?" then yes.

I don't see the misrep by ooba that Thor is pushing.

That's odd because;

Thor's accusation of a misrep makes a lot more sense now.

Ooba was able to figure it out.
Why so thick?

I wish one of you would spell it out for the class. I don't care about the point itself anymore, but this is a frustrating way to answer questions and I will get upset with you if you continue to provide snark when you could just as easily provide answers.

Wait, what? Wouldn't your role PM already tell you how you'd show up to cop investigations?

I think it did, and I provided you that information.
Oh, wait, are you accussing me of claiming that the mod didn't reveal the existence or lack thereof of multiball in my Miller PM?
Because that seems pretty normal really.

Defensive much? It didn't even sound like he was accusing you of anything.

Sort of want to lynch Benny or Zeddy now.
Benny manages to make very slightly less sense than Zeddy - and that takes some doing.

Unvote: Elli-alaphabet
Vote: Benmage

I may be down with the ooba lulz wagon, but I'll admit the copping to the misrep actually feels townish. Ooba is certainly skilled enough that might be a feint to the growing pressure...but my gut kind of says town on that one too, so I think we can do better.
Let's lynch Benny for lulz, I like to lynch him Day 1 anyway.

Advocating lynching Benmage via yolologic(TM) the same way he was advocating lynching you? =/

[Amrun]

I believe I've seen it, but also, it's astonishing to me that this looks worse to you than anything else in the thread. What could possibly be alignment indicative about his misunderstanding even if you're completely right?

I think it shows a mindset of looking to make the miller claim look bad, hoping that will result in a lynch, without really thinking about it. For example, he's ready to vote and declare Thor scum over something that he agreed after being criticized and looked at the wiki was not something pursuable. If you're going to vote for a role-based reason that would be cleared up by looking at the wiki, wouldn't you like ... look at the wiki FIRST, instead of after being called out on it?

It's meh, though. I'm going to keep observing on that score.

[Thor665]

Advocating lynching Benmage via yolologic(TM) the same way he was advocating lynching you? =/

As long as you ignore my commentary that I think at least one scum would be trying to present my claim as a reason to lynch me, than - yes, my case is equally as unsupported as his.
Oh, wait, that was snark again, wasn't it?
Darn.
I'm bad at this.

In other news, Casso is blatantly my real name claim and needs to be analyzed in regards to my Miller claim from a guy claiming my role and alignment and whatnot aren't even connected.

You're allowed to sheep me and vote Benmage now.

@Amrun - I do think Ceph has a point insomuch as your denunciation of Benamge felt...oddly strident?

[Cephrir]

I believe I've seen it, but also, it's astonishing to me that this looks worse to you than anything else in the thread. What could possibly be alignment indicative about his misunderstanding even if you're completely right?

I think it shows a mindset of looking to make the miller claim look bad, hoping that will result in a lynch, without really thinking about it. For example, he's ready to vote and declare Thor scum over something that he agreed after being criticized and looked at the wiki was not something pursuable. If you're going to vote for a role-based reason that would be cleared up by looking at the wiki, wouldn't you like ... look at the wiki FIRST, instead of after being called out on it?

It's meh, though. I'm going to keep observing on that score.

Who would honestly expect something so flimsy to result in a lynch? =/

But OK.

[Shadoweh]

Benmage: Trying to barge into a thread and establish comftown dominance seems like something people do here in general? Arguing that Thor is attempting the miller gambit because Thor claimed miller and.. that's it, makes you sound like a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. His vote back on you is kind of omgusy but I think I'd react the same way. Is there something Thor's doing that's actually scummy for him? Same question to Zdenek since he's still holding onto the vote despite admitting the miller thing isn't a good reason.

Quadz, #487 is painful to read, quote strips in bolded quote strips why. The best defense is a good offense, but I'm not sure if I agree with it. I think reads are the only content that matter. That and thought patterns. The counter that's been brought up is ooba's thought patterns are reasonable to follow.

Amrun: If there's anything MS has taught me, it's that screaming about your scumread over and over actually does work to generate votes! Either on yourself or them, so go for broke!

[Amrun]

@Amrun - I do think Ceph has a point insomuch as your denunciation of Benamge felt...oddly strident?

I don't think he even mentioned my denunciation of Benmage. Do you mean Zdenek?

It just kind of made my head explode. Like, omg, vote Thor because he has claimed that a miller works exactly the way a miller works! wut

Voting you because X doesn't think you're a miller, or whatever, is something else entirely.


In related news, I have no idea who Casso is. Someone refresh my memory?

p-edit:

I don't hesitate to scream about scumreads when my jimmies are rustled. I have to feel it in my bones and be on the warpath to feel like doing that. I feel like PnJ is the best vote right now for stated reasons, but I'm not ready to go all martial law on his ass just yet. I'm just going to organically comment on what strikes me about the game, and one of these days, someone will really rustle said jimmies and the fun will begin.

[Andrius]

Why are we fucking 22 pages into the game and still acting like children.. Now I remember why I took a Haitus from mafia... the level of play is pathetic.

Said Benmage.

[PrideandJoy]

Speaking of KKB, where has he been?

Also, I'm not scumreading Thor but am I the only one who doesn't buy the "lol Casso" claim

[macmollie]

macmollie, has mac posted yet?

he posted the first one, didn't post anything else.

ahahahahaha

yes he has

[macmollie]

Hi Tammy!

syrlacious are you scum cos you sure as hell are acting like it

[macmollie]

I am caught up now and wow this thread was really funny

thor, here is your cake:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4798828

benny are you always like this

@ peaceperson

when you meta, what do you go by? kanye is town cos so far his posts come from a town POV. <----- scum can do this too and pull it off in the early stages of the game but I am thinking kanye might be town.

naut is town too, btw

VOTE: syrlacious