Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Andrius]

I'm specifically asking Andy why he thinks that because I'm not on the same page. Nor do I believe you're town, so I'll wait for Andy, but thanks.

He crumbed for me, and it was something beautiful and irrevocably town from days long gone.

Or you can believe that I'm a DayVig who only kills scum.
And I've shot mastin at least once.
*whistles*

[Desperado]

And how was what TF said wildly different?

Hmmm?

Trust fund said this is just Varsoon being Varsoon, which is basically what the Rach defense amounted to D1. You said they were wildly different but I'm not seeing it.

Simple: survive, and try not to give away her scumbuddies.

Counterpoint: what the HECK is a town-Mala doing giving this game the treatment she has? This AtE and lack of effort make no sense from the town-her, who would be trying desperately to figure it all out and leave something meaningful. I haven't seen that at all. All I've seen is AtE which looks like play to survive just a little bit longer.

If she had claimed VT I probably would have argued with you, but her PR claim is just terribawful.

Vote: Mala

[Desperado]

^L-1

[Malakittens]

....

Hey at least this time you didn't derp hammer a PR. I would have called you scum for that because there's no reason to hammer a pr w/o waiting for a claim if you are town, Despo.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 3.6

[8] Malakittens (BROseidon, zMuffinMan, mastin2, Ghostlin, Aj The Epic, TiphaineDeath, Nachomamma8, Desperado)
[2] Aj The Epic (waynegg, Mac)
[1] BROseidon (dopog)

[5] Not Voting (Malakittens, notscience, Trust Fund, Andrius, Faster Than Light)

With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch.

(VC 3.5 contained errors and has been corrected)

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-25 10:00:00)

[Malakittens]

I'm Elhaym Van Houten, Battle Mage of the Nisan Alliance. I'm a Town JK.

Night 1 I JK'd AJ.
Night 2 I JK'd Mac

No JK on SoS
No JK on BnB
No JK on mastin
No JK on Muffin

This claim reeks.

I didn't think SoS was going to be killed N1, apparently I was wrong.
I didn't want to protect B&B. I guess you can argue I let something personal go in the way of my wincond.
At the time I didn't think Mastin was likely to get NK'd. Tonight he might be a good candidate, but I have someone else I want to protect if I live today.
Muffin isn't obv town to me.

Again you just disagree with the way I played my role.

[Trust Fund]

This is an easy decision, really.

Mac, was your neighborizing me a passive or an active choice?

[BROseidon]

On AJ too?

I don't know how to gauge whether the lie is in the "why," the "Aj is town," or both.

pedit: You thought Aj would get killed over a hydra of two players who were both individually more active than Aj? Wat.

[Desperado]

....

Hey at least this time you didn't derp hammer a PR. I would have called you scum for that because there's no reason to hammer a pr w/o waiting for a claim if you are town, Despo.

???

[Malakittens]

I got 5 mins before work. Bro basically you are disagreein with AJ. This same arguement applies to anyone more active than AJ. I didn't think Fery was going to die N1.

[Malakittens]

....

Hey at least this time you didn't derp hammer a PR. I would have called you scum for that because there's no reason to hammer a pr w/o waiting for a claim if you are town, Despo.

???

Castle? Where you quick hammered huntress before waiting for her to claim or even post intent.

[Mac]

This is an easy decision, really.

Mac, was your neighborizing me a passive or an active choice?

active but during day two

anyway I still think this claim is full of shit.

[Trust Fund]

Mala, all your reads in one post when you get back from work please?

Nobody hammer until then, at the very least.

[BROseidon]

I got 5 mins before work. Bro basically you are disagreein with AJ. This same arguement applies to anyone more active than AJ. I didn't think Fery was going to die N1.

Okay, let me ask this in the clearest way possible:

Why did you think Aj would die over SoS, BnB, or any other similar player with a much higher profile than Aj?

[Desperado]

....

Hey at least this time you didn't derp hammer a PR. I would have called you scum for that because there's no reason to hammer a pr w/o waiting for a claim if you are town, Despo.

???

Castle? Where you quick hammered huntress before waiting for her to claim or even post intent.

Right, but what does that have to do with this game?

PS It's not a derp hammer if I'm scum. That hammer won us the game.

[waynegg]

I'm specifically asking Andy why he thinks that because I'm not on the same page. Nor do I believe you're town, so I'll wait for Andy, but thanks.

He crumbed for me, and it was something beautiful and irrevocably town from days long gone.

Or you can believe that I'm a DayVig who only kills scum.
And I've shot mastin at least once.
*whistles*

That's great for mastin, but we were talking about Ghostlin.

[Malakittens]

Here's my reads and no guys my claim isn't a "fucking" piece of shit.

BRO I already asked the freaking question. I'm not going into a circle just because you don't understand the answer.

Full reads:

I'm just taking the playerlist because I don't feel like putting them into a set:

1. Aj The Epic - town
2. Andrius - town
4. BROseidon - Conflicted, gut says scum; evidence says town.
5. Desperado - Haven't decided.
6. Faster Than Light - Leaning scum. See Ghostlin read
7. Ghostlin - Town if FTL is scum, scum if FTL is town.
8. Mac - Town
9. mastin2 - Town
10. Nachomamma8 - Still null
12. Malakittens - Town <3
14. notscience, Midori Uzuki - This is a given
16. waynegg - probably town
18. TiphaineDeath - probably town
19. Trust Fund - Town
20. dopog - trustin' of Mastin's read on Venmar - town, gut says not sure. I want to see more from Dopoq.
21. zMuffinMan - Leaning Town

I do want to see things from Dopoq so if we could hold before we hammer me to see if he gets a few posts in that would be great.

[Malakittens]

....

Hey at least this time you didn't derp hammer a PR. I would have called you scum for that because there's no reason to hammer a pr w/o waiting for a claim if you are town, Despo.

???

Castle? Where you quick hammered huntress before waiting for her to claim or even post intent.

Right, but what does that have to do with this game?

PS It's not a derp hammer if I'm scum. That hammer won us the game.

Personally I think scum just got lucky that game. The town self-destructed after Day 1. There shouldn't ever be a game where that many people get run up between Days 1&2.

[BROseidon]

I chose AJ because I really, really thought he was going to be NK'd. Why he was hunting and I really didn't see scum intent towards the end. Plus he pushed Rach hard.

This is, like 2/10 on detail.

I'm looking for a 9/10 or 10/10, which you have not given.

[Ghostlin]

Backish.

I don't like Mala's claim. Less to do with targets, and more to do with the fact that I'm not sure how well it works with the idea of a Town Bulletproof (yes, even one shot) and a piece of information I have that I'm not willing to reveal (it might not invalidate Mala's claim).

Also, BRO, you forgot 'NO JK on Nacho', which would help clear up some ambiguity on him.

[Ghostlin]

It's not that. Mastin blatantly claimed Cop and then cleared Venrob. There was no reading between the lines. Muttley actually had 2 shots instead of the one he claimed and shot AJ last night. AJ is still alive, hence the bulletproof.

I'm a one shot bullet proof townie,

Yeah, this doesn't sit well with me mostly because it doesn't sit well that no one's mentioned there's a bit of fucking logic that scum might have a BP just in case Mutt decided to pop someone one.

I'm leaning towards one of AJ/Mala is lying about their alignment.

[BROseidon]

It would help clear him up, but I would understand not JKing him because he's not being obvtown (and when it's known single-scumfaction a JK is best used early to protect over block)

[zMuffinMan]

Yeah OK

This is mala's read progression on AJ between D1 and D2. I think Mala forgot that she was not reading AJ as town at the start of D2 and forgot when she started lying about reading AJ as town. She claims the JK on AJ was because he looked town and strong scum hunting and etc etc, but mala was frustrated that AJ was tunneling her for most of D1 so this doesn't make any sense. And AJ had

nothing

to do with the RM lynch, except being a vote on it - there was no strong push from him. So mala's reasons are bullshit even apart from the read progression not making sense.

D1

I'm not seeing AJ town though.

I have seen town-AJ once and I'm not really seeing it

The newbie game play and this play here currently is not even remotely the same. I don't see how you can say it is. I also do not like you pushing that outlet because it reminds me of scum-UN doing the same thing to me at LyLo.

then no other mentions of your read on AJ D1 (just requests for him to stop tunneling you)

D2

I'm still not sold on Aj-town.

Although some of the people on my wagon currently I feel are town. So there's a chance this may be a town driven wagon (AJ, Mastin)

She changed her read on AJ somewhere on D2, not on N1. At the start of D2 she wasn't reading AJ as town. I think mala forgot this.

So yeah, even if we ignore the fact that mala had soooooooo many better targets than AJ and Mac to choose from, the reasons she's given for the JK on AJ are inconsistent with her own read on AJ and aren't even true.

[zMuffinMan]

also, i don't see why you'd ask to be lynched if you're a fucking PR

This is something.

Yes, this is something she still hasn't explained.

so why would scum fakeblock targets that will make us question WHY if they could have chosen to block anyone?

A couple possibilities here:

- She could be a scum JK who actually did target AJ and Mac (which would destroy my theory that AJ is scum but whatever). She could have been aiming to RB potential PRs (which would also make Trust Fund likely town).
- She could just be lying and thinking that her targets were consistent with her reads, because if she claimed VT she would probably have been lynched. The targets she chose were obscure enough that they were unlikely to be watched, so basically unverifiable.

[Mac]

the thing that makes me want to believe this is as soon as i claimed neighbouriser mala was asking me if it was a day or night choice. this may just be a well prepared fake claim however.

ghostlin are you able to reveal said information?