A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tierce]

I have this pocket wind-up Benmage for entertainment purposes. I'll bring him out tomorrow.

013s talking shit.

this site...*sigh*

You're cute when you let them get to you. Site age isn't a measure of competence. What's the problem with Syryana, Benedick?

[Benmage]

Benmage: Trying to barge into a thread and establish comftown dominance seems like something people do here in general? Arguing that Thor is attempting the miller gambit because Thor claimed miller and.. that's it, makes you sound like a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist.

It's not that he claimed Miller... its that he claimed Miller, and said its site Meta to treat him as conftown now... Which is total bullshit. That is why I am voting him. (albiet It wouldn't take much to persuade me to ever PL a miller D1... Fuck mods, and D1 is D1)

Is there something Thor's doing that's actually scummy for him?

See above.

benny are you always like this

Like what? Annoyed at having my time wasted? Yes. Annoyed at players thinking it's funny to joke when you're genuinely trying to understand the game.. and I don't know trying to do something to progress the game further a long. Yes... Annoyed at having Noones who don't have the mafia capacity, experience or knowledge of an infant talking down to me... Yeah, its comically bad. But I guess that's where people have regressed too. How many people even mentioned KK's Miller Gambit. How many of the 013's even know Scum have claimed miller and won several times. There's a reason I'm good. I've fucking seen everything, but even mentioning that and being annoyed at Thor playing games is a Cardnial Sin.. Than I'll be fine with sitting around twiddling thumbs and hoping Cops win the game for us like this generation does. There's no playing mafia anymore... just Roles and mods, and corpses.

[Benmage]

I have this pocket wind-up Benmage for entertainment purposes. I'll bring him out tomorrow.

013s talking shit.

this site...*sigh*

You're cute when you let them get to you. Site age isn't a measure of competence. What's the problem with Syryana, Benedick?

Maybe it carries over from RL, and how pathetic our generation tends to be. I'm 26, so I'm referring to my generation and also really 17-30 (lil bros 19), there's just no morals, respect, or class anymore... IRL... so then having people here, who are new who don't even have a clue what they're talking about pretend like I'm the dimwitted one, only reinforcing shit behavior from Thor, is frustrating. I like playing at a high level, and have little patience for newbs. I never IC for a reason.

[Benmage]

benmage is being incredibly thick and my Lynch For Being A Dumbass trigger is itching to get pulled

1) Have scum successfully fakeclaimed miller and won. Yes
2) Did Thor misuse site meta, and come in way to high and mighty that he's conftown. Yes
3) Pet peeve, but did Thor act "cutesy".. for zero benefit of the game. Yes

So where am I being thick? For providing information that might not be known to this generation. For saying Thor does have the balls to do a gambit like this. Find me a better D1 angle to pursue.

But yeah.... let's not try to analyze to much, god forbid we use our brain... Better to just piggy others statements and write it off.

[Goat on a Raft]

3) is so utterly irrelevant to the game that to use it as part of a handy framework for pushing your Thor suspicion is disingenuous. Tell me, do you think it's a natural thought process as scum to go "hey, I'll claim miller ... ooh, and I think I could make myself look townier by incorrectly claiming that nobody will lynch me because of site meta"? For your theory to have any basis in scumhunting, that has to be the question, and the answer is obviously no.

Meanwhile, newsflash: Every time you whine about how much better at everyone else at this game you are, this is what I read:

ZDENEK is now immune from being lynched for today. Should he reach majority you will default to no lynch.

And even if you were saying something of useful scumhunting value, good luck getting anyone to pay attention to it while you're acting so aggressively superior.

[Goat on a Raft]

In other news, this head is waiting on the other to get caught up with large portions of the thread. Currently we have a bunch of townreads but no strong scumpings, plus a couple of people this head is assuming will be readable with just a little more time. Sheeping some of those townreads at the moment.

[Benmage]

3) is so utterly irrelevant to the game that to use it as part of a handy framework for pushing your Thor suspicion is disingenuous. Tell me, do you think it's a natural thought process as scum to go "hey, I'll claim miller ... ooh, and I think I could make myself look townier by incorrectly claiming that nobody will lynch me because of site meta"? For your theory to have any basis in scumhunting, that has to be the question, and the answer is obviously no.

Meanwhile, newsflash: Every time you whine about how much better at everyone else at this game you are, this is what I read:

ZDENEK is now immune from being lynched for today. Should he reach majority you will default to no lynch.

And even if you were saying something of useful scumhunting value, good luck getting anyone to pay attention to it while you're acting so aggressively superior.

My point is there's zero reason for the peanut gallery.

Question, where's the protown aspect of Thor incorrectly claiming on purpose? Him trying to make a mockery of us pursuing his claim.... Yeah I can see scum doing that.

NEWSFLASH: I knew something wasn't adding up that game. And guess what I was right, *spread arms wide*... what I did had zero outcome on the game..

Cause noones vigged town or anything.

And you question why I get frustrated bringing that joke of an undermine up... come on lol... zzzz

[PeaceBringer]

3) is so utterly irrelevant to the game that to use it as part of a handy framework for pushing your Thor suspicion is disingenuous. Tell me, do you think it's a natural thought process as scum to go "hey, I'll claim miller ... ooh, and I think I could make myself look townier by incorrectly claiming that nobody will lynch me because of site meta"? For your theory to have any basis in scumhunting, that has to be the question, and the answer is obviously no.

Meanwhile, newsflash: Every time you whine about how much better at everyone else at this game you are, this is what I read:

ZDENEK is now immune from being lynched for today. Should he reach majority you will default to no lynch.

And even if you were saying something of useful scumhunting value, good luck getting anyone to pay attention to it while you're acting so aggressively superior.

eh, please do not go making up mod quotes, it is annoying...

[Goat on a Raft]

The point you take from that should not be "THEREFORE GOAT THINKS THOR INCORRECTLY CLAIMED META FOR TOWN REASONS", it should be "therefore Thor must genuinely believe what he's saying about site meta because there is no reason for either alignment to attempt to hoodwink an entire game with made-up site meta". At best, you have found an idiot. Most likely, you have found someone who has played in different games to you and got his own impression of what happens here.

For someone so interested in site meta and history, consider personal meta and history. I haven't played in that many games with Thor but I can tell you for sure the humour is just Thor being Thor. It's not a towntell or a scumtell. How right or wrong he is about meta is neither a towntell nor a scumtell.

I don't even know what the vigging thing is about but, if you're offering yourself as a target, please carry on.

PEDIT: PeaceBringer, that's a mod quote from a different game, in which Benmage thought he was amazing and wasn't. Apologies for the confusion.

[Benmage]

The point you take from that should not be "THEREFORE GOAT THINKS THOR INCORRECTLY CLAIMED META FOR TOWN REASONS", it should be "therefore Thor must genuinely believe what he's saying about site meta because there is no reason for either alignment to attempt to hoodwink an entire game with made-up site meta". At best, you have found an idiot. Most likely, you have found someone who has played in different games to you and got his own impression of what happens here.

In your point you seemed to have difficulty understanding a scum perspective for his actions. Well I provided a possibility, and shit I don't put anything past players and the wacky gambits that have occurred, or what they might be thinking... Don't tell me you dont see dumb shit in every game. IF him being "cutesy" is standard operating Thor procedures, than OF COURSE he'd try and mimic such behavior in a fake miller gambit. So my theory isn't some crazy conspirator idea, but has sound reasoning behind it.

-He himself agrees the logic to write a miller claim off as conftown doesn't add up. I ask him for a meta reference.. he gives me the ropeadope.. and I'm the jackass .

I don't even know what the vigging thing is about but, if you're offering yourself as a target, please carry on.

I'll try and go slower next time.

[Benmage]

***Everyone

mocked DGB for attacking Cow for *spread arms wide*... now who are the morons?

[Tierce]

Benmage. Calm down. I know you're going through hard stuff IRL, but you don't even know Syryana. He wasn't being disrespectful, at most he was saying you are easy to wind up. Which, let's face it, you are. Besides, grouping people under "013ers" as if that means anything less than you is just as disrespectful as what you're saying others are putting you through. He is a competent player. A troll, yes (if you knew him you'd know his first post in the game was him impersonating fferyllt as if they were hydraing; frankly, it was hilarious), but one of my favorite MSers right now, and it should be pretty obvious I only like people I consider capable and competent. So please step down from your high horse, because you have some behaviors that are reminiscent of poor, inexperienced players. Syryana analyzes the game, is competent as both alignments, and a good asset to the Town (or scum).

Relax. Hunt scum (or be obvscum, please and thank you because I'm not even reading the game so you have to try really hard for me to see it). Let the 013ers and 011ers do their thing. If I don't break the site again tonight (and if I'm not in town, Syr--no promises with your timezone, but we can be night owls together), you'll see them dance. I promise we're excellent waltzers, and the band plays on.

[Tierce]

And with that, Southwest Night Owl is going to bed. >.>

[Goat on a Raft]

So now we're up to the stage of "well, it

could

be a gambit, therefore it is". You're saying that behaviour which is normal for him, which he is either doing genuinely in this game or done a fine impression of him doing genuinely in this game, is a reason to lynch him. If you want to lynch him solely because he claimed miller, just say as much.

[Goat on a Raft]

***Everyone

mocked DGB for attacking Cow for *spread arms wide*... now who are the morons?

My point is not that you're a special kind of moron. My point is that you're just as much of a moron as the rest of us so kindly get down off your high horse.

[Goat on a Raft]

Me getting angry probably isn't going to help anything any more, I guess. My point is made, you can keep shouting about this if you like but it's not going anywhere with the case as is (not that it couldn't if Thor gets scummier; I don't have a read either way yet). I'll go away and calm down and work on some damn scumreads.

Yours in citrus.

[Tierce]

That goat needs a pirate hat. Pls fix asap, thx.

[PeaceBringer]

mad, what is there to get mad about ?

[Benmage]

So now we're up to the stage of "well, it

could

be a gambit, therefore it is". You're saying that behaviour which is normal for him, which he is either doing genuinely in this game or done a fine impression of him doing genuinely in this game, is a reason to lynch him. If you want to lynch him solely because he claimed miller, just say as much.

How many times must I say... I find him scummy not for his claim, but rather the way he auto-confirmed himself town. Him not referencing his "site meta"... but choosing to be cutesy, isn't helping even if that is status quo. But again... not his claim... THE WAY HE CLAIMED!!!!

***Everyone

mocked DGB for attacking Cow for *spread arms wide*... now who are the morons?

My point is not that you're a special kind of moron. My point is that you're just as much of a moron as the rest of us so kindly get down off your high horse.

Of course I was including myself in attacking DBG, and being confounded by Cow.

Have I initiated any of this? Or am I responding to the peanut gallery, and people pulling in past game nonsense...

But I have the bully rep, so it is what it is..



Anywhose, I am gonna go step away get some food... I'll try ignoring the

peons

arrogant beginners

new players for you Tierce.

I still haven't read most of the first 20 pages ... Eventually.

[Shadoweh]

The forum came back up while I was asleep. >_> I'm not gonna have time to read 10 pages until after work.
Thought 'Thor is being cutsey' is an improvement as far as motive-seeking goes? I think you just need to calm down man, when you're talking about This Generation and sounding like you need a cane to smack the youngins with.

[Cephrir]

So now we're up to the stage of "well, it

could

be a gambit, therefore it is". You're saying that behaviour which is normal for him, which he is either doing genuinely in this game or done a fine impression of him doing genuinely in this game, is a reason to lynch him. If you want to lynch him solely because he claimed miller, just say as much.

How many times must I say... I find him scummy not for his claim, but rather the way he auto-confirmed himself town. Him not referencing his "site meta"... but choosing to be cutesy, isn't helping even if that is status quo. But again... not his claim... THE WAY HE CLAIMED!!!!

I don't think he honestly expected anyone to decide he was conftown for claiming miller.

What you say here does not rebut Goat's point.

[Goat on a Raft]

Site isn't letting us change our avatar at the moment and I spent a full four minutes on these

[Cephrir]

Are we really going to play the join date elitism game in this thread? I'd be willing to bet join date is not statistically significant for anything except possibly being mislynched D1. Most 2013s are probably better scumhunters than me. So kindly take that argument and [redacted for decency].

[Nautilius]

It's not that he claimed Miller... its that he claimed Miller, and said its site Meta to treat him as conftown now... Which is total bullshit. That is why I am voting him.

Yes, it is. That's how I figured out he was lying. He carries the same opinion you have over miller claims, and absolutely was not trying to pull a legitimate miller claim in thread. If he was trying to pull a serious miller claim in that way, I would help you lynch him before the site even thought about crashing again.

Currently we have a bunch of townreads

What are your townreads and why?

[Alfred Borden]

Alright, finishing the catching up before I have to head out 'til Sunday. I'll be splitting this up over multiple posts addressing different people (otherwise this thing will get too unwieldy) and there's a chance I might've missed something so if that's the case then let me know.

I expect some reasons from you whenever you get the chance instead of casting baseless suspicion.

As much as I love to troll people who ask for reasons/cases on themselves, I'll make an exception just for you because I'm a nice guy:
- #370 very quickly after Tammy had silent voted you. This means that you've been following along but not really saying a whole lot. I want to know why that is.
- You also comment only on a pretty meaningless line from Shadoweh in that same post and nothing else that shoots down her assertion of townieness. Again, I want to know why that is and what your thoughts on the game are.

What's this about - why am I scum?

Most of my problems with you stem from #331, for a couple of reasons (there's probably nothing new here but it's worth talking about):
- The Sorceress Edea avatar has already brought it up but it seemed really suspicious to me at the time that you would bring up one of your strongest townread's alleged contradictions like that, especially at a time when she was drawing a lot of suspicion. It seemed to me like you were softly encouraging the votes on her while distancing yourself from the wagon by calling her town.
- Elleheathen brought this up earlier too but: I get from your #456 that you're trying to "solve the puzzle" which is fine but I still have an issue with the manner in which #331 was presented. If you have a problem with something your townread is saying, why not just ask her about it instead of presenting a series of quotes like that? (Yeah she would have replied regardless but I still don't understand the point of that presentation).
You've already explained your Shadoweh read somewhat but I took a look at the latest VC and want to know why you're voting kanye.

AlfredBorden, I'd like to hear why you think Zdenek is town. I agree with you reads on P&J and Tammy and am indifferent on Tierce, but on Zdenek, we seem to disagree. DESCRIBE AT ME, BRO.

Some of Alfred's reads confuse me, but I won't give them the Spanish Inquisition if they're already claiming not to have much reasoning. My most emphatic disagreement is probably Andrius, though I'd also love to hear why Goat is town.

The list of reads there is 'marble first attempts at diving into the game and trying to sort people out (and he tends to not really have much reasoning at the beginning of his whole thing). He hasn't had as much as time as he's wanted to really dig into the game but he's told me he'll have more time over the weekend while I'm gone to go through his whole process.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm leaning town on Zdenek for similar-ish reasons that Llamarble is. The recent Thor push seems founded on stretchy reasoning but he's pushing it with genuine conviction and I really like #492 on this end especially as I think he's far more likely to get frustrated at people interfering with his questioning as town. I remember going through ASoS and AffC a while back and he was way more robotic/mechanical than how he's acting here.

Llamarble and I disagree on Goat but we haven't had much time to talk about it (I have Goat as straight null - see upcoming post to Nacho).

Also, quadz, as the resident expert in Tierce-ology, I can pretty much assure you that Tierce is town in this game (if you want to know the reasons for it, then let me know and I'll explain the read when I come back).