A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Thor665]

There's 2 people voting off it... not very impressed with it either.. but why the Deflection?
-As for theory, I know as scum I love drawing town connections to my scum partners, so yeah if a flip does happen you can paint someone else negatively.
--Especially since its Smurfy reasoning to suspect Safety, but if Safety does flip scum for other reasoning... trying to draw this as a connective tell is simply Smurf.

Well...I did the deflection because I think it is a quite reasonable question. I had committed the least "crime" of your stated issue...yet was the only one attacked. Why not just answer why this was as opposed to deflecting my question by accusing me of deflection

Functionally you just did as much connection between me and him as I did between Nacho and him...so why is what I did an issue?

I agree that I don't like the case...that said, my connective tell was not based on the name thing, rather it was based on their reaction to the name thing. I made that fairly clear I thought. Does your issue with me work with that, or are you taking my stance as totally different?

[Thor665]

@ thor

okay fine I can't meta you blah blah blah are you freaking happy now. I will just make up reasons from now and get creative with them that way they will make sense to you..

That would be vastly preferable to the current method of making up things and then claiming they're my play style.

[Thor665]

Okay, leaning more town on Alfred thanks to this head, that said...

@Alfred - do you seriously expect me to read your heads separate? You are one slot, if one head does scummy things than both heads are scummy.

@Shadoweh as far as your "baa aw" about me debating game theory instead of doing other stuff...please note the cases on me are based on game theory, and people are complaining when I summarize and shorten answers. So...kinda a derp issue to have with me, yeah?

@Elle I listed multiple investigative roles that could get info from me free of Miller effect, thus vastly narrowing my advantage of claiming Miller...you are now claiming I am doing this for some sort of advantage in *fooling* PRs into investigating me when their powers will work normally but won't clear me...how incredibly dense do you believe all of the other players here are? Because that is a scum plan based on people being raging idiots.

[Thor665]

And caught up.

Unvote: Andrew
Vote: Amrun

[quadz08]

YAYGAR!

quick vote ooba with me <3

[Eddard Stark]

What does Stannis offer you? Vengeance. Vengeance for my sons and yours, for your husbands and your fathers and your brothers. Vengeance for your murdered lord, your murdered king, your butchered princes. Vengeance!
- Davos "Boss" Seaworth

Day 1, Vc 29

PrideandJoy (1) -

Amrun

kanyeknowsbest (3) -

Andrius, ooba, PeaceBringer

ooba (3) -

Alfred Borden, quadz08, PrideandJoy

StupendousMan (5)-

Tammy, Messiah Complex, Nautilius, Cephrir, Goat on a Raft

Thor665 (2) -

Benmage, elleheathen

Cephrir (3) -

macmollie, Garruk Relentless, Shadoweh

Goat on a Raft (1) -

Zdenek

Andrius (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

Zdenek (1) -

StupendousMan

Garruk Relentless (1) -

SafetyDance

SafetyDance (2) -

Tierce, Syryana

Amrun (1) -

Thor665

Not voting (0)

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With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor and Benmage are V/la

[PeaceBringer]

I meant to

unvote...

[PeaceBringer]

upon further read,

vote stupendous man

...

[Thor665]

So...policy lynch today then, huh?
Because if it isn't I missed the thing he did that as scummy.
I have him as nullish newb read at the moment.

Am I missing something?

[PeaceBringer]

Um, thor where do you get that it would be policy. I read over stupendous man and comes off too hard trying to present a certain way. His comments appear forced to me.

[PeaceBringer]

Um, thor where do you get that it would be policy. I read over stupendous man and comes off too hard trying to present a certain way. His comments appear forced to me.

an he is still aways off from any real pressure as well

[Goat on a Raft]

The thing about the 10-person scumlist is irrelevant, IOHO. It's misguided rather than malicious.

What convinced us to vote were these:

Post #81 comes in after a lot of talk and ignores it all.

Post #292 comes in shortly after Shadoweh's quadz vote and noncommittally joins it - and describing quadz's vote/unvote as "awkward" doesn't look to us like someone actually interested in

why

he did those things, just that they happened and might look weird.

Post 370 and Post 374 see him really concerned about his image.

And this is exactly the sort of nitpicky question that scum like to ask because it's contribution where their work is kind of already done for them.

[Thor665]

@PB - I was going off what I had seen. Could you maybe quote me a post of him "trying too hard"? Also, did you look at any town games of his to make sure it's a scum tell and not you reading him wrong?

@Goat - you seem to ding him both for not caring about why someone did something and also caring why someone did something. I sort of see some hypocrisy value there...or dissonance, whatever the right buzz word is...but your approach feels strained, like it is battling for things to call him scummy over, just me?

Also, do either of you have a read on Amrun?
I feel like more will be learned there than SM under pressure where...shock, he will continue to flail and not make much sense regardless.

[Thor665]

To clarify the above - the dissonance is a ding on SM.
The strain is on Goat.

[Goat on a Raft]

also caring why someone did something.

Uh, what? Where?

[Goat on a Raft]

Oh, and Amrun is in our 'town for today' pile for general seems-about-right meta vibe feelings.

[PeaceBringer]

@PB - I was going off what I had seen. Could you maybe quote me a post of him "trying too hard"? Also, did you look at any town games of his to make sure it's a scum tell and not you reading him wrong?

limited set but he does appear similar to the game he was scum, yes...

292,
394,
811,
814,
888,
892
all have that vibe to me...

[macmollie]

peeps trying to justify a stup lynch when he is obvlynchbait

@ goat

it makes me sad that you are scum. like really really sad.

thor's push on amrun is at a time when it needs to happen

VOTE: amrun

[Thor665]

@Goat - your last link is kvetching that he is asking for clarification and thoughts from someone.

@PB - that is awesome he does it as scum...that isn't what I asked though. Does he NOT do it as town? That is what will make it a scum tell.

[Goat on a Raft]

Oh, sure, but only because the setup was already conveniently there from Zdenek's language, which is pretty benign. It's a harmless, no-cost question and one that I don't think requires any level of actually caring about the answer to ask (indeed, the fact that we can see him not caring earlier implies that he still doesn't care this time, he just wanted to be seen to ask).

Mollie: Seriously, we're not scum.

[PeaceBringer]

Thor- the tone is different then the completed town game, but that is his 1st. I glance at past games and compare tone. I do not do all the stuff folks here do. I guage by reactions, tones and other elements that I will not explain. Some I really cannot even fully put to words anyway as it is a general sense. Here, he comes off as forced. That is my reaction

[macmollie]

mebbe he comes off as forced cos he is newbtown worried about getting lynched.

or you mebbe right and he is scum and his scummates are trying to bus him.

there are actually a lot of reasons why he may across as "forced" but it may have nothing to do with his alignment.

he seems new. he seems like he is trying to find his way. <-----no way I am voting that, if he did something outstandingly scummy then yeah but he hasn't.that is why if he flips scum I will think it is a bus and if he flips town we know where to look.

[Tierce]

mebbe he comes off as forced cos he is newbtown worried about getting lynched.

or you mebbe right and he is scum and his scummates are trying to bus him.

there are actually a lot of reasons why he may across as "forced" but it may have nothing to do with his alignment.

he seems new. he seems like he is trying to find his way. <-----no way I am voting that, if he did something outstandingly scummy then yeah but he hasn't.that is why if he flips scum I will think it is a bus and if he flips town we know where to look.

You're talking about StupendousMan?

Not

that

new. Newer than most people here, sure, but don't use that as an excuse. With that said, I believe that slot is Town, but the over-politeness is somewhat concerning.

[Tierce]

but the over-politeness is somewhat concerning.

Notably, because of this:

It would be beneficial to scum not to make half the people in the game upset.

Which is also bothering me regarding Cephrir about me. That is some mighty high Town pedestal I'm getting from him. While true, he hasn't played with me before and it feels kind of awkward. Like that date you cut off with an "emergency call" because they are starting to feel just a touch too clingy too soon.

Dunno. Might be the sleep talking.

Hey Nacho I still haven't produced real actual content! Whatcha gonna do about it?

[quadz08]

I don't even know what that

means

, Tierce. Get some sleep.

In other news, PLANES AND AIRPORT. See you dudes later.