Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[Generic]

Ok, how many do we have left here.
Tammy, nacho, bert, empire. Then matt, mara and qwints.

Nacho I see what your concern is. But with no night kills and mara unable to make good choices she is a liability if actually town and too much of a threat given another night if 3rd party with qwints.

If they die and are town as they claim, you are left with one scum between nacho, empire, bert, tammy and matt. If there IS a night kill then it leaves four of you, and noone due to be poisoned.

I'm dead so your left with matt or bert with an outside chance of empire (two wingates making desp think he can predict a wingate false claim).

[Ms Marangal]

You have just heard your TEAMMATE has poisoned YOU... And you keep pretending you are town?

[Ms Marangal]

And in that same post, He assumes that I know who the scum-team is when he knows pretty well that I wouldn't know who they are if I was third party

and in regards to the SK game, someone was pressuring me so I dropped that hint that I could do something in hopes that they would leave me alone.

and, I already explained why I poisoned you when Nacho asked

and I have never poisoned a town-read, I gave Shadoweh a town-read because I needed an excuse to not push her that day

I also did not ignore anything, and no one commented on the 4 scum, one town PR thing that I brought up or the fact there is one neighborhood with three scum

And, If, for some insane reason both Matt and Generic end up town, I'm not going to poison tonight.

[Nachomamma8]

It might be 2 v 4 LYLO tomorrow with one poisoned (me) tomorrow if Mara/qwints is a 3rd party lover pair

But she is not SCUM, and we have no reason to suspect this game of multiball. If she is a separate scum faction, then there are 8 alive today. With a lynch and a poison, there will be a tomorrow. That tomorrow will compose of me/you/tammy/empire/qwints/marangal. You/tammy/empire are all town, although I would like to firm up my read on you today.

(1) I don't really think Matt is scum anymore, to be quite frank with you.

Why? Because his play the last two days has been so amazingly awesome??

Nacho, please read this. Make sure you read this and talk to me/us about this.

Do you think that Mara, as a third party lover in this game, would moderate a game with third party lovers where YOU/ME/TAMMY/EMPIRE were all playing? The ONLY fucking reason that paranoia came up in the first place would be because she put them in the game. Don't you think she'd be more careful if she was scum there, or am I just crazy?

Mara's here (Shoe, and then GENERIC (????)) especially after what we had advised her on...they do NOT make sense!

Really? I thought people could have paranoia twinges.
Considering you and generic are currently trying to go after FUCKING. MARANGAL.

You have just heard your TEAMMATE has poisoned YOU... And you keep pretending you are town?

Marangal isn't on a team with Shadoweh. The fact shadoweh kept pretending she was town was because she had a PARTNER and she was trying to offer him ASSISTANCE.

couldn't have stopped the Generic kill due to IRL stuff. I was debating big time between him and Nacho for which townie to endgame in my autowin scenario but fucked up by not having the time to post.

She announced the Generic kill in the neighborhood beforehand?

Here's my thing, I just don't understand how we can think that scum were given only one night kill to use and believe he gave town an unlimited vig poisoner. That just really makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Then they are intentionally no killing.
Matt probably no-killed because he thought he was going to get poisoned yesterday.
He probably no-killed again because it resulted in such unbelievably stupid things last time.

too much of a threat given another night if 3rd party with qwints.

What do you think she'll do if given another night? Double-kill...?

[Generic]

And in that same post, He assumes that I know who the scum-team is when he knows pretty well that I wouldn't know who they are if I was third party

and in regards to the SK game, someone was pressuring me so I dropped that hint that I could do something in hopes that they would leave me alone.

and, I already explained why I poisoned you when Nacho asked

and I have never poisoned a town-read, I gave Shadoweh a town-read because I needed an excuse to not push her that day

I also did not ignore anything, and no one commented on the 4 scum, one town PR thing that I brought up or the fact there is one neighborhood with three scum

And, If, for some insane reason both Matt and Generic end up town, I'm not going to poison tonight.

You simply cannot be this stupid. You must be scum, because if you aren't you have seriously dropped in my estimations as a player of this game.

You know full well how lovers role works, one is mafia and the other is town and both are secretly a third party team who win independently from their teams.

My vote stands, because I refuse to believe mara is actually a moron. So she is playing stupid as scum.

[Nachomamma8]

one is mafia and the other is town

nope. that's not a thing when both are confirmed town to each other.

[Ms Marangal]

Generic, I ran a game where both lovers were town

and that was a game you reviewed

[Generic]

And you know this how nacho?

Because they told you?

Man, this stupid thing is catching... Mara infected nacho.

Do what you like with the vote today nacho. My vote is staying there, anything short of mod or cop confirmed town will not make me change. I'm dead today anyway, so you guys choose your best play. I have told you who I think is scum, but if I'm wrong and your plan works I'm pleased. If you are wrong and we lose I have stuck to my principles here.

[Generic]

Generic, I ran a game where both lovers were town

and that was a game you reviewed

What has that got to do with your sudden inability to remember a standard lovers setup? Convenient amnesia, you are scum madam.

[Ms Marangal]

YOU REVIEWED IT

MY FIRST MODDED GAME ON COLO

and we stated we were confirmed town to each other D1 or 2

Pedit:Standard lover set-up is town/town

[Ms Marangal]

April Wingate

town lovers with Qwints, neighbors with Empire and Shadoweh

Poisoner

Town *confirmed lovers


which means mod messed up on my PM if he is scum

or, the mod is lying to me

I had claimed that pre-game to both Shadoweh and Empire and the game hasn't reset or anything, which mean everything is the way it's supposed to be

Pedit: yes

[Generic]

Not to my knowledge mara. And still you a kid the key point. You know the lovers setup I refer to. I know you do. So you deliberately played dumb.

This is day 1 all over again. Mara plays stupid, side steps around points building straw men and utilising nachos blindness to her to get out of clear scummy play. Playing dumb to dismiss a point, avoiding answering other points with answers to side issues and trying to steer the subject away from the main points... You carry on trying to convince the rest, cos I'm not changing my vote mara.

Pedit: oh, I'm convinced, you say you are both town confirmed, it MUST be true... You wouldn't lie to win would you?

[Generic]

A kid = avoid

[Ms Marangal]

Your point was that, lovers are usually town-scum or scum-scum (third party)

I've only played in one game where lovers aren't town-town, I know lovers can be town-scum BUT WE WERE CONFIRMED TOWN TO EACH OTHER

and we have stated as much

[Ms Marangal]

I read

and re-read

and re-read

and it says that Qwints and I are town and that we have a neighborhood with two other people

[Ms Marangal]

And here's this other part I told Empire and Shadoweh that I didn't tell anyone in thread, because it was needed

we both die if I am killed at any point during today, I don't die if qwints is the one who is lynched/killed or w/e

so Bussing isn't totally outside the realm of possibility if we are both scum AND I didn't even have to proactivly defend the Qwints wagon

I could have just said we were lovers and that was it

not to mention that I CLAIMED lovers in the neighbor QT, and Empire backed that up so it isn't even like I lied when either one of us were under pressure either, no I did it pre-game which would royally fuck us both up if we were scum

it would have been against my win-con and not with it

[Ms Marangal]

we both die if I am killed at any point during today, I don't die if qwints is the one who is lynched/killed or w/e

* During the day/night phases

[Nachomamma8]

Because they told you?

yes.
they did.
do you think town-qwints would lie about mara being confirmed town to him?

[Empire]

Just letting you guys know that I PASSED THE FLORIDA BAR EXAM WOOOO and the swearing in ceremony is tomorrow afternoon/evening, so my posting will be almost nil until that's done.

[Tammy]

Just letting you guys know that I PASSED THE FLORIDA BAR EXAM WOOOO and the swearing in ceremony is tomorrow afternoon/evening, so my posting will be almost nil until that's done.

Woohoo congrats again. Please help when you get back! I'm entering my phase of nost trusting many people right now and I need you're input!

[Tammy]

And here's this other part I told Empire and Shadoweh that I didn't tell anyone in thread, because it was needed

we both die if I am killed at any point during today, I don't die if qwints is the one who is lynched/killed or w/e

so Bussing isn't totally outside the realm of possibility if we are both scum AND I didn't even have to proactivly defend the Qwints wagon

I could have just said we were lovers and that was it

not to mention that I CLAIMED lovers in the neighbor QT, and Empire backed that up so it isn't even like I lied when either one of us were under pressure either, no I did it pre-game which would royally fuck us both up if we were scum

it would have been against my win-con and not with it

I don't understand why you didn't share this. I said I wish you just claimed masons and you agreed. I claimed doctor and ou thought you'd just leave it in the dark that you're not full blown both die lovers? That's just stupid.
You pretty much just gambled your lives and the game on me choosing which one of you to heal versus which one they would pick to kill. I don't nderstand what possible gain you thought you were keeping by holding this back especially after yesterday I said I was hoping to draw the kill to myself because I was hoping not to have to roll the dice to see which one of the lovers they would have targetted.

Like your play just doesn't make sense to me and gods your neighborhoods been annoying this game.

[Bert]

"In post 2129, Bert wrote:
(1) I don't really think Matt is scum anymore, to be quite frank with you."

Why? Because his play the last two days has been so amazingly awesome??

Short on time here, but I'll get to this really quickly.

What incentive does Matt have to not have shot ANYONE (even Empire or any other universal townread - not to mention the claimed PR's), knowing he's next to the top of the list (if not at the top) and about to be poisoned due to (1) a neighborhood being "clear" and (2) "town" claimed lovers. That, and replacing a relatively null-scum slot.

Do you think that Mara, as a third party lover in this game, would moderate a game with third party lovers where YOU/ME/TAMMY/EMPIRE were all playing? The ONLY fucking reason that paranoia came up in the first place would be because she put them in the game.

Don't you think she'd be more careful if she was scum there, or am I just crazy?

I am not suggesting that you are crazy, but this is a bundle of WIFOM. That's like Tammy asking during that Skype game whether I would ever be so blatant as to buddy my scumbuddy (you, Nacho) as blatantly as I did during that Skype game. Please don't do this.

In post 2148, Tammy wrote:
Here's my thing, I just don't understand how we can think that scum were given only one night kill to use and believe he gave town an unlimited vig poisoner. That just really makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Then they are intentionally no killing.
Matt probably no-killed because he thought he was going to get poisoned yesterday.
He probably no-killed again because it resulted in such unbelievably stupid things last time.

Why would he not kill Tammy or take a shot at the lovers before they take him out? This does not add up.

Let's say I'm scum and have a kill. I would take a shot at the lovers (or Tammy first), if I were Matt, as I would know that my shelf-life is absurdly short due to overall perceived scumminess. No-killing several nights in a row, no. Where is the incentive, Nacho? I don't see it, unless the scum likes bringing confirmed towns and letting these threats (Empire, Tammy, you) live a long time and figure everything out. I seriously doubt scum will act in such a moronic manner as such.

<3 Still love ya, Nacho, but I wholeheartedly am not on the same page as you at this point. And I will not support a Matt lynch at this point, unless it's an absolute last resort at the deadline and there are no further options.

[Bert]

Just letting you guys know that I PASSED THE FLORIDA BAR EXAM WOOOO and the swearing in ceremony is tomorrow afternoon/evening, so my posting will be almost nil until that's done.

Congratulations!!!!!! You're a lawyer (or aspiring lawyer), right?

Your absence is 100% EXCUSED! Keep partying!!! <3

[Bert]

But she is not SCUM, and we have no reason to suspect this game of multiball. If she is a separate scum faction, then there are 8 alive today. With a lynch and a poison, there will be a tomorrow. That tomorrow will compose of me/you/tammy/empire/qwints/marangal. You/tammy/empire are all town, although I would like to firm up my read on you today.

Nacho, look, I am concerned about something happening here that suddenly happens (like 1465 suddenly a Survivor pops up (JasonWazza) and if not for a Ree genius claim)) in MYLO we would have been in trouble. Or Con Mafia, where a sudden daykill ruined our chances.

I do not want to take that chance this game. Tomorrow, we will not know if Mara poisoned someone tonight, because she can outright lie.

Therefore, it will be 4 vs. 2, but the catch is one of the four will be poisoned. So it is technically LYLO. Let's say I get poisoned and it's me, you, tammy, empire, qwints, mara. That's 6 people. Please tell me you would lynch Mara or qwints over empire or tammy. Please.

Not to my knowledge mara. And still you a kid the key point. You know the lovers setup I refer to. I know you do. So you deliberately played dumb.

You're right on the money. This is exactly what I thought when I read Mara's posts that sidestepped one page of points about her being a third party, not scum.

[projectmatt]

Congratulations, Empire.

I'm equally as busy with academic related things but they aren't nearly as exciting as Empire's. I'm drained right now but I'll try to post some content tomorrow when I have enough spare time - sorry for the lack of content, this is a really tough situation and I'm not sure what to believe.