Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

Andrius · Post Post #4400 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:37 am

hrm
you know
im beginning to suspect mutley's shot a whole lot more

what counters tons of town investigations?
scumkills

like
saki was an ok shot for town because he was negative utility but not because his slot was town from thez
as scum it was as good shot because he was town from thez but not because
well
he's saki
and is therefore the definition of negative utility

Andrius · Post Post #4401 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:38 am

like seriously
IF all of these info roles are town (doubtful)
how does the scumteam srs counter
MASONS, ALIGNMENT COP, VANILLA COP
and other things like TF (MEBBEE)

Andrius · Post Post #4402 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:40 am

I don't like the bro tie to tf
I don't like the vanilla cop and alignment cop
I don't like the move to massclaim

I apparently like spamposting

waynegg · Post Post #4403 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:40 am

In post 4345, Antihero wrote:
In post 4341, Faster Than Light wrote:There's plenty of things that could still make Mac's cop-clear not truthful. For instance, if the cop isn't a cop, or if the copping was redirected, or if Mac is a PR that investigates as town, or...
I'm telling the truth.
We're not lynching Mac on the ~1/1000000* chance that venmar was redirected.
"Neighborizing Godfather?", you suggest lynching mac on the chance that this role exists?

We're not lynching Mac, Varsoon. Deal with it.

*note: I pulled this number out of my ass, but I do know that the chances of it are really low

If Venmar crumbed 6947325705 times on D1, I would doubt there's a 1/1000000 chance he was redirected. Just saying...

I think AJ is the correct vote today. Any opposed?

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4404 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:41 am

@andy,

do you think there's a town bulletproof to counteract a twoshot scum vig, or do you think aj was rolecopped, or do you they're scum together?

also don't really see how redirector+rolebocker and passive-inventor (assuming ascetic/godfather is an option for that role) wouldn't be at least a partial counter.

Andrius · Post Post #4405 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:42 am

TOWN
Desperado
Ghostlin

Saki

mutleyddmc

mastin2

Venmar

Nachomamma8
FasterThanLight

muffinman
mac

SCUM

RachMarie

nickthename

Trust Fund
TiphanieDeath
BROseidon
AJ The Epic

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU

BeautyandtheBeast

Malakittens

SoundofSilence

Andrius · Post Post #4406 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:43 am

In post 4404, zMuffinMan wrote:@andy,

do you think there's a town bulletproof to counteract a twoshot scum vig, or do you think aj was rolecopped, or do you they're scum together?

also don't really see how redirector+rolebocker and passive-inventor (assuming ascetic/godfather is an option for that role) wouldn't be at least a partial counter.

if there are no town bullets
it is definitely a scum bp

but

they are probably differnet alignments
why would scum have a BP with no vig

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4407 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:47 am

andy wrote:why would scum have a BP with no vig

right.

since you said you suspect mutley's shot, i assumed you'd have some theory about what this means for AJ.

whatever, i'm tired. gonna sleep, then properly do that vca and pull up nacho quotes after sleep

Andrius · Post Post #4408 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:48 am

i haven't looked at reads/roles much
besides bro/tf connection

Andrius · Post Post #4409 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:48 am

i haven't looked at reads/roles much
besides bro/tf connection

Andrius · Post Post #4410 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:50 am

everything but my top townreads are shit btw
i have a poor grasp on things at the moment

Desperado · Post Post #4411 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:51 am

Come on over here and vote FTL then, Andy.

Andrius · Post Post #4412 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:52 am

In post 4370, Nachomamma8 wrote:And maybe Andrius. I'm not sure that a supersaint who only kills town would be called a supersaint, considering every other role with modifications has a new name.

ability name is supersaint
greenname is completely different and lends nothing to supersaint

and im scummy as fuck with flavor like if this were a bastard game id be a miller for sure

Andrius · Post Post #4413 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:55 am

false ability name is OVERLOAD with supersaint in parenthesis

Andrius · Post Post #4414 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:55 am

false - *

waynegg · Post Post #4415 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:02 am

In post 4378, Antihero wrote:The vast majority of scumbags aren't Batman villains, Varsoon.

Crumbs can be found on Venmar's first post of the day on days 2 and 3. Spoiler: they're not subtle, at all.
Day 2: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5269791
Day 3: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5309208

And scum didn't NK the slot because... I mean, I know its in scum's best interest to leave town investigative roles in the game and all, so if you have an explanation that would be nice to share...

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4416 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:02 am

desperado/aj/bro, then.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4417 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:10 am

waynegg wrote:And scum didn't NK the slot because... I mean, I know its in scum's best interest to leave town investigative roles in the game and all, so if you have an explanation that would be nice to share...

because he claimed PGO and scum ignored the obvcrumbs. see AJ's response to the revelation today, for example.

Andrius · Post Post #4418 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:12 am

venmar is probably town
i really really want to believe my varsoontown read

which poses a natural problem
one of mutley/aj is scum

don't like the bro/tf thing especially with all of THIS on top of things

waynegg · Post Post #4419 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:30 am

In post 4368, zMuffinMan wrote:also, if you want, i can go back over venmar's posts and point out all of the places he crumbed his role. i have most of them already because i pmed bork about it N2 when i ranted to him about my thoughts on the game. i am very sure that he was either what he claims to be, or he's factional scum (i.e. not a traitor) who planned it with his partners. and i'm leaning towards the former based on his play making sense as town and also based on how fucking elaborate it would have to be for venmar to have co-ordinated that as factional scum.

Given the crumbs you linked in 4380, how would this be remotely "elaborate" to do as scum? Let me illustrate...

Venmar... Hey gaiz, I'm gonna crumb investgatr so blatantly noonez can miss it. Before suspicion getz on me we snuffz one of my "innocents" to givez me to get town credz.

The other scumz... Yayz. Gud planz!!!

waynegg · Post Post #4420 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:35 am

In post 4417, zMuffinMan wrote:
waynegg wrote:And scum didn't NK the slot because... I mean, I know its in scum's best interest to leave town investigative roles in the game and all, so if you have an explanation that would be nice to share...
because he claimed PGO and scum ignored the obvcrumbs. see AJ's response to the revelation today, for example.

ONE OF HIS OBV CRUMBS WAS TO CONSIDER HIM TO BE CLAIMING LIKE MATTP, AKA LYING ABOUT HIS ROLE. Try again...

notscience · Post Post #4421 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:35 am

In post 4400, Andrius wrote:hrm
you know
im beginning to suspect mutley's shot a whole lot more

what counters tons of town investigations?
scumkills

like
saki was an ok shot for town because he was negative utility but not because his slot was town from thez
as scum it was as good shot because he was town from thez but not because
well
he's saki
and is therefore the definition of negative utility

Cool, I wasn't the only one getting suspicious of that.

waynegg · Post Post #4422 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:36 am

In post 4418, Andrius wrote:venmar is probably town
i really really want to believe my varsoontown read

which poses a natural problem
one of mutley/aj is scum

don't like the bro/tf thing especially with all of THIS on top of things

Then vote AJ. Because I'm town. Or lynch me then remember to get him tomorrow. Whichever.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4423 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:38 am

it's elaborate because (1) why PGO claim at all? if the aim was to drop cop crumbs, why was a PGO claim necessary? (2) there could have actually been a real cop, and considering how blatant those crumbs are, he'd need to explain it (3) why venmar instead of a stronger scum player? (4) it was risky because PGOs are potential policy lynches like millers (though policy lynching isn't all that common anymore) (5) he would have had to tell his scum buddies about it, and have them tell antihero about it, etc etc

you're actually a moron if you think this is more likely to come from scum than town.

waynegg · Post Post #4424 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:43 am

In post 4423, zMuffinMan wrote:it's elaborate because (1) why PGO claim at all? if the aim was to drop cop crumbs, why was a PGO claim necessary? (2) there could have actually been a real cop, and considering how blatant those crumbs are, he'd need to explain it (3) why venmar instead of a stronger scum player? (4) it was risky because PGOs are potential policy lynches like millers (though policy lynching isn't all that common anymore) (5) he would have had to tell his scum buddies about it, and have them tell antihero about it, etc etc

you're actually a moron if you think this is more likely to come from scum than town.

1. I covered that in my Venmar spoiler ~ KEEP TOWN PR AWAY AT NIGHT.

2. Great, then scum would know real cop D1 from cc.

3. Your question answers itself. If he's found out, he dies and the stronger scum lives.

4. I've never seen PGO policy lynched and only twice on Millers. Not that risky because I've seen that play a lot.

5. Scum QT, one whole sentence. It's not as complicated as you're trying to make it sound...

My small list of suspicion:

1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
7. Ghostlin
20. Antihero
21. zMuffinMan