Open 527 - Hard Boiled: Dixon Hill's Maudlin Madness

[Cait Sith]

You know what struck me while I've been fighting my kitten to write this test?

Jiffy's not talking to me like I'm scum. You know why? He's scum and knows I'm town. Therefore, the only thing he has in his arsenal is to twist, mischaracterize and yes misrepresent (this word is often over and incorrectly used but it applies here) in the hopes that Cephrir will get paranoid and lynch me. But he lacks conviction; that's because he knows that he's a liar.

Now let's put aside the fact that I can't pull off paranoia about the game being a town loss because woah wait if it's cephrir all is lost and if I did I'd deserve a damn emmy because if I was scum I'd know that Cephrir was town and wouldn't quickhammer and look at what Majiffy has actually done today with regards to me.

So, he's trying to push this angle that poor little itty witty me just felt like I had to bus so I did. The problem with this is that Nacho was my first scum read here. We also have a possible Bert. But what I find interesting is that town Majiffy would probably be able to use this post to push a scum me, but he's not. Why do you think he's not? He's not because he can't. He can't figure out why I was scum reading Nacho from that post, because Nacho couldn't either. Mala had no idea why I was scum reading Nacho from that post and the thing is he can't even ask me about it because it would be more dangerous for him too. It also doesn't fit the narrative he's trying to tell about a Tammy who's so scared she has to bus. But in order to believe that you'd have to believe I'm that type of player. when I'm not. Check out that for how I defended my scum partner Tierce when she came under suspicion by macmollie. Sorry but the must defend a partner isn't not my thing.

Where his case also becomes an obvious scum case is when he doesn't take into account the remainder of the game. I just pointed out that day one I scum read Nacho. Nacho wasn't around again for day one so I didn't get to interact with him day one. Day two I suggested I was going to vote Bert, but then we interacted and that read changed. Day three has me immediately reverting to my scum read of Nacho and as soon as they come back to the game interacting with them. So jiffy has to frame it like a bus I felt obligated to do. When that doesn't fit my scum game at all as I'd have gladly let him bus me and then win this in lylo because he's the better scum player than I am.

What's interesting is he cuts all of that out. He also actually tries to make it scum motivated of me to be keeping track of the votes coming in because somehow not wanting a quick lynch is somehow insane. But, sure I'll bite on this one, if you can find any example of me quicklynching or advocating a quicklynch, I'll eat my own hat. Quicklynches are bad for town and shouldn't be done. So, yes, at one point I unvoted because nacho and I weren't done talking and I was interested in getting him to talk more to help figure out who his last partner was. But do you know who did rush to get on the lynch? Do you know who did try to cut off discussion? Not one day but even the next day by forcing that Doctor Pepper lynch down your throats?

That's right his scum partner.

What's funny is that VS actually stated that I tried to take credit for the Nacho wagon, but I never even suggested anything of the sort. Am I happy as fuck I caught Nacho? Hell yes. And I did catch him. And I'm happy as fuck about that. The last time Nacho was scum in a game I was in and I was going to vig him, he made up a really believable fake claim and he became my strongest town read. He said in another game after that how easy I was to manipulate. So fuck yeah I'm happy I caught him. Me catching him and me taking credit for the wagon are two separate things, but jiffy because he's scum who has to twist things is trying to say I did something I didn't do. What is also super funny is that he's like 100 posts after soft pushing she pushes him in Post 749. Yes, because it was in that moment I was sure. But what's even more amusing is that in the same post of his, Majiffy is blaming me for "soft-pushing" and then being too certain.

He wants to have his cake and eat it too, when it doesn't work that way. Yes, I had a scum read on Nacho, was I 100% certain about it? Nope, I had to dance with him for a little while and then he made the post that got me to response with 749 because that's when I knew for sure. Even after that I wasn't 100% but I was pretty damn sure. Majiffy would have you believe that me being right on a scum read (Mr. flowchart who pushes people with absolute confidence and doesn't listen to anyone else) somehow makes me scum because I was too sure? Yeah right, that wasn't even close to a bus, it was me being right on scum.

It's fun I guess to try to make interaction with scum look like scum on scum when he didn't even interact with him at all or barely at all. All he did was some flaccid, yeah that looks like nacho scum mkay. Their game now looking back on it is so patently scum it's not funny. Mara's going after Mala for omg trying to get the hider thing going because that's just too protown and the wtf her giving Mara credit for bringing it up in the first place with the cherry topping of you asked me for my tip read. That's special. Then we get the lovely addition of Majiffy who claims to not have read 20 pages so he iso's notscience and calls him town obvtown oh look how cute he is he doesn't know who's still in the game. dawwwwww must be town. Nope. Then let's jump on the DP, Nope Cephrir, Nope Nacho wagon day three, then push the DP wagon down your throats the last day we should have been able to have conversation. But, he doesn't want conversation. Why didn't he want conversation? Why didn't he want me to be able to reread the game and give my comments? Why not? Because he's scum and it was in his best interest to, both days, help cut off conversation.

Cephrir - I get if you're paranoid, I really do. And I'm sorry if my falling apart and throwing a fit when I thought town majiffy threw the game away for town was oftputting but I can't fake that kind of frustration, I really can't. None of what I've done this game are things I can fake. If you read through those scum games that I linked, please read through the qts too cuz I tend to talk a lot in there and I can link you to others if you need. But if you look at the qts and things I've said, you'll see that what I said about always thinking that I'm going to be investigated as scum is true. Therefore, I wouldn't have forgotten about what hider did because it's all I'd be able to think about. I wouldn't bus Nacho that way, I just wouldn't. I'd want him here in lylo not me. And I wouldn't bring someone who was a threat to me. So Majiffy wouldn't be here. I mean look, you can see I've only been in 3p lylo as scum once, I feel like everything I say sounds fake when I'm scum, so I just wouldn't do these things as scum.

I also realize that everything said right here is only going to be taken with a grain of salt because endgame sucks and both town and scum are trying to survive, but I just really really hope when you read back through the game you see that everything I'm saying is true, and I hope you make the right decision because we are definitely town. And if you need any more meta to make that really really obvious let me know and I'll link them.

[Cait Sith]

*must bus

[VioleNt Saxophone]

Wow, what a wall!

Lets see what kind of content actually exists.

Jiffy's not talking to me like I'm scum. You know why? He's scum and knows I'm town. Therefore, the only thing he has in his arsenal is to twist, mischaracterize and yes misrepresent (this word is often over and incorrectly used but it applies here) in the hopes that Cephrir will get paranoid and lynch me. But he lacks conviction; that's because he knows that he's a liar.

Bold claim. Nothing to back it.

Out the window it goes!

So, he's trying to push this angle that poor little itty witty me just felt like I had to bus so I did. The problem with this is that Nacho was my first scum read here. We also have a possible Bert. But what I find interesting is that town Majiffy would probably be able to use this post to push a scum me, but he's not. Why do you think he's not? He's not because he can't. He can't figure out why I was scum reading Nacho from that post, because Nacho couldn't either.

Or, and this might be tough to wrap your mind around, I only used things I knew about. Considering what you're highlighting is from a part of the game I never read, why would I bring it up?

But in order to believe that you'd have to believe I'm that type of player. when I'm not. Check out that for how I defended my scum partner Tierce when she came under suspicion by macmollie. Sorry but the must defend a partner isn't not my thing.

Oh, good, more self-referential meta defense. Totally legit.

Where his case also becomes an obvious scum case is when he doesn't take into account the remainder of the game. I just pointed out that day one I scum read Nacho. Nacho wasn't around again for day one so I didn't get to interact with him day one. Day two I suggested I was going to vote Bert, but then we interacted and that read changed. Day three has me immediately reverting to my scum read of Nacho and as soon as they come back to the game interacting with them. So jiffy has to frame it like a bus I felt obligated to do. When that doesn't fit my scum game at all as I'd have gladly let him bus me and then win this in lylo because he's the better scum player than I am.

So I'm scum because I didn't bring up a part of the game I never read. Cool stuff.

Oh, and more self-referential meta, in case you forgot how town she is!

What's interesting is he cuts all of that out.

Do you have anything else to talk about in this wall or should I just go to sleep now?

He also actually tries to make it scum motivated of me to be keeping track of the votes coming in because somehow not wanting a quick lynch is somehow insane. But, sure I'll bite on this one, if you can find any example of me quicklynching or advocating a quicklynch, I'll eat my own hat. Quicklynches are bad for town and shouldn't be done.

That is a really interesting twist. Everyone go ahead and look at how she turned this one around. It went from informing her partner to suddenly "OH IM SO AFRAID OF QUICKLYNCHES THAT'S WHY I WAS TOTALLY KEEPING TRACK OF ALL THE VOTES".

Christ, she even admits it!

So, yes, at one point I unvoted because nacho and I weren't done talking and I was interested in getting him to talk more to help figure out who his last partner was. But do you know who did rush to get on the lynch? Do you know who did try to cut off discussion? Not one day but even the next day by forcing that Doctor Pepper lynch down your throats?

That's right his scum partner.

Rush is kind of a strong word, considering I hadn't voted until I was informed Nacho wasn't even at L-1.

What's funny is that VS actually stated that I tried to take credit for the Nacho wagon, but I never even suggested anything of the sort.

I'll let CS go ahead and refute herself here.

or that somehow I bussed nacho for no reason the day after one got caught by the tracker even though it's something I've never done (bus once yes, bus near end game when there's just one of us left for no reason, no) you would have to recognize that I would only put myself in this lylo if I were a moron. This lylo would never ever happen with me as scum.

And that's just one instance. I could find more if you'd like.

What is also super funny is that he's like 100 posts after soft pushing she pushes him in Post 749. Yes, because it was in that moment I was sure. But what's even more amusing is that in the same post of his, Majiffy is blaming me for "soft-pushing" and then being too certain.

I'm not sure at all what the fuck any of this is.



Two paragraphs of useless posturing...

Paragraph of ATE to Ceph, plus - you guessed it - more self-meta bullshit.

Aaaand that's it.

[VioleNt Saxophone]

I could be mad at Jiffy right now for voting without talking to me about it, though it does prove that I was wrong about Ceph so....

I didn't vote you when I pointed out 960 because I didn't want to be wrong and cost us the game. I wanted to talk to Jiffy about stuff first :/

it's a good thing I didn't though? TBH, I'm pretty freaking surprised Tammy Drew scum this game and even with that knowledge in mind, I can't really draw up a case to why I think she's scum other than PoE

[Cait Sith]

It's funny that they still can't muster up conviction that I'm scum. The above posts couldn't be more obvious scum. Majiffy can't help but resort to discrediting and misrepresenting and Mara can't even add anything cuz omg so surprised! Does that sound like town who is so glad they didn't vote cephrir? Does that sound like town who can't believe I fooled her? No, it's scum who lacks conviction. The both of them.

Oh and you want to see how it's not self referential bullshit? here is another scum game from last year. I replaced in day three. Look at who my first two kills were...anxiety and hinduragi. Guess what they had in common? They both suspected me and wanted my lynch. I killed them over universal townreads and a confirmed town. You know why I did that? Threats first, then people I can't hide behind.

So cephrir I think you have the bulk of my scum games linked and probably don't want anymore. I can link more town games than I have if you want so you can see the difference. But to believe I'm scum here, you'd have to think I'm a moron, which I'm not, and that I decided to break my mo of lying as little as possible, defending my partners once were down in numbers, and killing threats before obvtown, and deciding the stronger partner should go before me. Is all this possible, sure, but if you read through my scum games you'll see a common thread of me not being very confident in my scum game. I don't have the mental strength or confidence to pull this off. I just don't. I wish I did, but I don't.

I feel like I'm going about this all wrong but I'm not usually end gamed like this or the one under suspicion even when I make it close, and I've watched enough endgames that I should know what I'm supposed to do and if I fuck this up ill just owe a big apology to town. But I just feel like every single post they've made is such obvious scum and I just hope you see that too, and I hope if you read through the games I linked you'll see that there's just no possible way I'm scum here.

And I'm just going to shut up now and I'm not responding to anything they say because there's no point arguing with scum, and I think they've made it clear enough what their alignment is, but ill answer any questions if you have them.

[Cephrir]

Well, I've iso'd both of you and the scums. I only did a little of the meta, I know I blow at meta anyway. I think CS' interaction with Nacho looks pretty good for them but I also know Nacho is absurdly good at this game. My read has me feeling like both of you are town. So whichever it is, you played pretty well. This endgame scenario, as I've said, makes no sense. From CS' perspective: they can't take Bert because it becomes too suspicious that both they and Bert are alive. But as they've said, there is no reason for them to bring VS (a vote on them, forcing me to make the choice- though it seems clear I'm likely to vote VS...) when they could take TIP and I and almost certainly get the hammer. From VS' perspective, the scenario is exactly the same except they have the added option of trying to get Bert to hammer me. No matter which of you it is I think you're stupid for killing TIP and possibly a game throw. CS' ATE today has been fucking horrible. Regardless of your alignment please never do this again, between this and the constant appeals for me to "see through" VS my gut wants nothing more than to lynch the ever loving shit out of you. Meanwhile VS has made good points today. If the rest of the game didn't exist, they wrecked you pretty badly. Let the record show that I already regret this decision, I have roughly zero confidence in it, and I'm sorry for probably fucking this up. Please don't yell at me, I'm bad at this game.

P-edit: And you're still fucking doing it even though I wanted you to stop. I don't know if that's a towntell or not. But I'm done worrying about this shit. Please don't slow roll me.

VOTE: Violent Saxophone

[Tammy]

Oh thank gods.

[Cait Sith]

I really don't care and ill play how I want and if you actually think majiffy made good points you're being silly.

But you made the right choice.

[Cait Sith]

Like they both couldn't have been more obvious scum if you really read their posts.

[Cait Sith]

Every single pint of his was a misrep and a discredit. And if you actually liked it its because you had a problem with me telling the truth about how I played and just not liking that.

But shrug, unless you're scum trolling, town just won so I'm just glad you chose right.

[Cephrir]

It would be incredibly rude of me to troll that hard

[Cait Sith]

You have no idea the depths of my paranoia.

[Syryana]

Votecount Final

VioleNt Saxophone (2): Cait Sith, Cephrir
Cait Sith (1): VioleNt Saxophone

VioleNt Saxophone,

Mafia goon

, has been lynched!

Town wins![/area]

[1baldeagle1]

YAY FIRST WIN ON MAFIASCUM!!

Nice job, CS and Ceph! <3

[Cabd]

Yeah, shoulda killed tammy and brought tippy.

Whatevs.

[Natirasha]

La dee daa not my fault.

[fferyllt]

Still surprised you guys killed us on N3. We were off base almost from the get go in this game and while we were in it, we didn't do much in the way of course correction.

[Cabd]

Heh.


Honest question: Is there a a reason tracker can track hider?

I've always resolved hider as anything targeting it by name fails...

[Tammy]

When mala and I were trying to figure out the kils the night Bert died, cuz I was like wtf no one can believe we're scum now, she was like its probably vs because Mara fears fferylit when she's scum.

[Tammy]

Heh.


Honest question: Is there a a reason tracker can track hider?

I've always resolved hider as anything targeting it by name fails...

I asked syry about that because I was confused as well, and I guess it depends on the way the hider role is used and night action resolution which in this game allows the hider to be tracked.

[Cabd]

Yeah it's a bit... off. I was kind of like... wtf how does that plan work etc.

Is this something specified in the setup, or is it just a tradition for the mechanic to work that way?

[Natirasha]

I think Hider is just a bad role, personally. Has a lot of grey area and mechanical baggage that could be streamlined.

[notscience]

Hiders are sexy

[Syryana]

I've always resolved hider as anything targeting it by name fails...

Read the role PM hoss.

[Cabd]

While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail. This applies even to otherwise "piercing" abilities like Strongman kills.

which is why I think hider should not be trackable...

PE- it doesn't say anything about tracking it, etc