Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[waynegg]

And it's funny all those peeps who were deadest Venmar was Mastin's mason bud have all dropped that line and are trying to poke holes with a different fork now...

[waynegg]

you're actually a moron if you think this is more likely to come from scum than town.

And this by itself...

[zMuffinMan]

2. Great, then scum would know real cop D1 from cc.

this is so fucking moronic it's not even funny. scum never want a 1 for 1 trade, especially early game, and especially not when there could be protective roles. holy shit.

the rest of your responses aren't much better. your reasoning is that you can think of an absurd situation in which he would do it as scum, so therefore he could be scum. if you're not policy lynching PGO claims sooner or later, then you're not playing correctly, and if the fucking idea was to use PGO as a fucking cover against town PRs then him claiming today makes no sense.

i shouldn't have to explain the fucking obvious. and now i'm going to sleep.

[waynegg]

A one for one on a cop isn't quite the same as a one for one on other roles. Since you didn't have any disagreement with the other points I'll just assume you're 80% wrong

[waynegg]

2. Great, then scum would know real cop D1 from cc.

this is so fucking moronic it's not even funny. scum never want a 1 for 1 trade, especially early game, and especially not when there could be protective roles. holy shit.

the rest of your responses aren't much better. your reasoning is that you can think of an absurd situation in which he would do it as scum, so therefore he could be scum. if you're not policy lynching PGO claims sooner or later, then you're not playing correctly, and if the fucking idea was to use PGO as a fucking cover against town PRs then him claiming today makes no sense.

i shouldn't have to explain the fucking obvious. and now i'm going to sleep.

Oh so some weak rebuttal? Ok.

It's only absurd if you think scum play with no strategy, because this is a very simple straight forward strategy with little thought necessary to pull it off.

I'm not going to take advice on the wrong and right ways to play from someone who is 80+% wrong! especially when more and more I think you're scum. Even on a hypothetical PL on a conf town PGO (note HYPOTHETICAL WITH BIG FLASHY LIGHTS SO YOU CAN MISS IT BECAUSE I DONT BELIEVE THATS THE CASE HERE) reals of scumotivation.

It would make perfect sense if the replacement read my Venmar spoiler where I shot that claim to hell and back. In fact, it would be a knee jerk, "well crap, now I gotta claim something and hope everyone buys it" because I gave great reasoning not to believe the claim and a fake claim always looks bad. As town I would have expected the replacement to keep mum because who gives a flip what a single player thinks. As scum I would expect him to do exactly what he did ~ give another claim before anyone latched onto the evidence I put forward.

[Mac]

2 cents at the moment:

we now have 1 mod confirmed town, 1 non godfather cop confirmed town and a cop confirmed possible godfather town. atm it wouldnt surprise me to see a gf in this set up what with the vanilla/normal cop claims but i cant say i buy the vanilla cop claim at all.

heres my question varsoon: how did you gambit work at confirming nick and nacho? i dont give a shit if its anti-town, you have to spell it out.

at this stage I'd be willing to lynch Aj, desp and possibly FTL. maybe td based on godfather spec.

vote AJ

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[BROseidon]

2shot cop
and vanilla cop
is weird as hell
with an INNO and MASONS

Except for the fact that scum have flipped 1 strong PR and 1 PR that may have been strong as well.

There could only be 2 masons. I haven't bothered looking for crumbs and don't really care to at this point.

IC is only somewhat powerful, and very hard to play optimally.

Both claimed investigative PRs are heavily gated (cop gets vanillaized if he doesn't catch scum, vanilla cop is weak already and then further gated by being non-consecutive).

[BROseidon]

I don't like the bro tie to tf

You mean that awkward as reaction test Cabd pulled on me that literally did nothing?

Yeah, real "tie" there...

[BROseidon]

I think AJ is the correct vote today. Any opposed?

Not opposed, but not sure it's optimal compared to Desp or Nacho.

[BROseidon]

desperado/aj/bro, then.

Are you going to actually do anything, or just hope town implodes on itself so you can walk to an easy win?

[BROseidon]

you're actually a moron if you think this is more likely to come from scum than town.

But the fact is that it could have come from scum, and the QT could have coached Anti through it. It'd be dumb to give the slot a free pass.

[BROseidon]

1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
7. Ghostlin
20. Antihero
21. zMuffinMan

Why are Nacho and Desp not in this list?

[Andrius]

I don't like the bro tie to tf

You mean that awkward as reaction test Cabd pulled on me that literally did nothing?

Yeah, real "tie" there...

No I mean the I VANILLA'D HIM.

2shot cop
and vanilla cop
is weird as hell
with an INNO and MASONS

Except for the fact that scum have flipped 1 strong PR and 1 PR that may have been strong as well.

There could only be 2 masons. I haven't bothered looking for crumbs and don't really care to at this point.

IC is only somewhat powerful, and very hard to play optimally.

Both claimed investigative PRs are heavily gated (cop gets vanillaized if he doesn't catch scum, vanilla cop is weak already and then further gated by being non-consecutive).

Yes, we're probably looking at 2 masons.
Yes, there are 2 dead PRs.
I'm merely saying that IF both cops are TOWN, ,then scum will need more power.

[waynegg]

1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
7. Ghostlin
20. Antihero
21. zMuffinMan

Why are Nacho and Desp not in this list?

But not Andy? Hmm. Nacho because I've never felt he was scum. My last list just consisted of the lynch pool of those people weren't saying was confirmed. Desp because I forgot. Think that's a slip right there BRO.

[waynegg]

Damn. I just lay traps everywhere without even realizing it...

[waynegg]

So

AJ
BRO
Andy

Does anyone think there's six scum?

[waynegg]

I guess I should explain my train of thought, and it won't hurt to have this all in one locale anyhow...

1. Aj The Epic
4. BROseidon
7. Ghostlin
20. Antihero
21. zMuffinMan

Why are Nacho and Desp not in this list?

BRO asked why Desp and Nacho were no longer on my suspicious list based off this post:

Of the remaining then, I like this ~ most suspicion to least.

1. Aj The Epic
7. Ghostlin
4. BROseidon
5. Desperado
10. Nachomamma8
2. Andrius

Problem is, Andy was there too. Why didn't he ask about Andy? I could see scumBRO asking about my reads in context of continuity to cast some doubt on me and also conveniently leave out a scumbuddy with the question. So, if anyone has doubt about my slot, lynch it. Then lynch the list...

AJ
BRO
Andy

Otherwise, let's just lynch AJ today!

Also, if I'm right on all three and there turns out to be 6 scum, look back at my 4278. You'll see that Andy completely trusts Venmar.

[BROseidon]

But not Andy? Hmm. Nacho because I've never felt he was scum. My last list just consisted of the lynch pool of those people weren't saying was confirmed. Desp because I forgot. Think that's a slip right there BRO.

I was asking about why my main scumreads weren't in there. You called it your list of suspicion, not the "not conftown group."

[BROseidon]

My question wasn't referential to your previous list.

[waynegg]

Crap! Jumped the gun a little on that one. I should have asked why you ask first... There's no way of telling what your answer may have been now. And if what I suspect, you would never cross that line now. Crap, crap, crap!

[Faster Than Light]

heres my question varsoon: how did you gambit work at confirming nick and nacho? i dont give a shit if its anti-town, you have to spell it out.

Originally, my gambit had 3 phases to it. Since I already VC'd Nacho and got Vanilla back, I was going to have the following happen:

Spoiler:

1- Lynch out of either Mala or Nick. Since there was high likelihood of a bus on Rach (given how I figured the scum team was playing), I figured this was either a scum v scum or town v scum conflict, but could not possibly be town v town given how many votes both wagons amassed. The lynch gives us an informative flip, regardless of who died at that point.

2- I originally planned to VC whoever wasn't lynched (I was hoping for a Mala lynch and a Nick VC, because as the Nick wagon grew I felt it was scum-infested, etc) and then have Nacho and the survivor claim their roles. It turned out that my power was non-consecutive, something I didn't realize was the case until N2 when I submitted the VC and Bork reminded me my role was non-consecutive. This is why I backed off on the whole gambit thing on D3.

3- With two claimed people who I had VC'd, one of which had a flip on their counterwagon, I could reliably speak towards the truthiness of their claims and alignments, given the evidence between their plays as well as if their claim sync'd with my VC result. At the worst, we'd have lynched town, have reason to believe the counter-wagon'd survivor was scum, we'd know their PR if they claimed it (and I could confirm they had one) and we'd know Nacho was VT or a lying scumbag. Ideally, we'd lynch scum with the first lynch, and have three confirmed claims that could form a solid bloc for town.

[Faster Than Light]

And it's funny all those peeps who were deadest Venmar was Mastin's mason bud have all dropped that line and are trying to poke holes with a different fork now...

What do you mean by this?


Also-also, I like your line of inquiry/exchanges with zMuffin about the possibility of Antihero as scum. Where gut goes, I think it's a strong chance for that to be true. Logically, I have to stand with BRO and say that I could see town having two weak cop roles when scum's confirmed to have a passive role-giver and a redirect/roleblocker. It'd make even more sense if AJ was godfather/some role that couldn't be targeted at night.



@Desp: Nacho's my biggest town read out of that pool of four players. Doesn't mean I can't be suspicious of him. While BRO is more of a null than any of them, I'm not so suspicious of him. I'd be more capable of seeing Nacho-scum than BRO-scum, but I'm also more capable of seeing Nacho-Town than BRO-town. Does that make sense? Keep voting me if it doesn't.

@AJ: Waynegg's tenfold points against you (not just today, but D3 as well), why are you so sure there's a traitor in this game? Why do you keep insisting on it despite points that've been brought up that show there's no proof for it? Wouldn't 1-shot BP be the

perfect

claim for a traitor who converts to the scum-team when shot? You outright went for Mala and Rach's throats on D1, which would give them good incentive to want to NK you, too. I remember you trying to incite scum to target you on N1, but I don't recall any real crumbs towards BP. Can you show me them? Are you the traitor? What's your role? Full-claim.

VOTE: AJ

[Faster Than Light]

EBWOP: Should read as 'Waynegg's tenfold points against you aside,*

[Faster Than Light]

Gut says Antihero is scum, Aj's a traitor, and zMuffin is scum.

Logic says Antihero's claim checks out, AJ's a traitor, and zMuffin is null.

:l