Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

Cabd · Post Post #100 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:18 pm

In post 78, cliche_guerva wrote:the entire game seems to be based on past histories with other players

In mafia we call this "meta-reading' and I'm one of the players around this site that uses it heavily. Basically, you can look at a player's past games (site rules says you can only use them if they're completed) and see things that they do more as scum or town, and then compare that to the game we're playing right now. For example, meta says that self-voting for sakura is null. She has completed games as both town and scum where she has self voted or self hammered. Notscience finds that scummy for her to call self-voting a scumclaim when she herself has seen examples of town doing so: because she was the town in question!

Cabd · Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:20 pm

Sakura, you have until page 15 to be obvtown.

Ffery has until the end of this page to form a townbloc.

And notsci, you seem vaguely more interested in this game than some of your recent finished ones. You scum bro?

fferyllt · Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:23 pm

There's really two kinds of meta. Meta from games you've actually played with someone, and meta from reading old games to see how a player has played as various alignments and roles.

I find the first kind of meta (experiential meta) a lot more meaningful than meta from cold reads.

Cabd and I have both played other games with the SEs and IC in this game.

I make it easy to meta dive my games. There's a "Games" tab on my wiki page. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... yllt/Games.

fferyllt · Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:24 pm

In post 101, Cabd wrote:Ffery has until the end of this page to form a townbloc.

You're not invited.

Cabd · Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:25 pm

Additionally, ffery and I have played together as one account. Those are called hydras, and you'll see them outside the newbie area. We may use some in-jokes or refrences to past games you don't understand, so feel free to ask us to explain something if it's too vague.

Cabd · Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:25 pm

In post 103, fferyllt wrote:
In post 101, Cabd wrote:Ffery has until the end of this page to form a townbloc.
You're not invited.

<3 somebody is still bitter over amol~

fferyllt · Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:27 pm

In post 90, Sakura Hana wrote:My point isnt the self-vote, but that he had to come and say that he was gambiting, why would you need to specify you're gambiting if you're gambiting is like applying a pressure vote and saying it's for pressure.

Is it scummy?

Cabd · Post Post #107 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:30 pm

In post 92, Cabd wrote:Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.

ffery/GM, thoughts on these two? Notsci, do you agree with cliche-read?

fferyllt · Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:32 pm

In post 74, notscience wrote:Wow, TSO Sakura scumteam.

That was easy.

In post 75, notscience wrote:ESPECIALLY considering who Sakura is and who she plays with, that's a scumclaim.

How so?

fferyllt · Post Post #109 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:33 pm

In post 107, Cabd wrote:
In post 92, Cabd wrote:Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.
ffery/GM, thoughts on these two? Notsci, do you agree with cliche-read?

I think ns is right about agi. Leaning town on both.

fferyllt · Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:34 pm

Figuring ns out, though.

Malakittens · Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:49 pm

Vote Count 1.03With 9 alive it's 5 votes to lynch.

Voting for:

*Array -
*Jimi003 -
*cliche_guerva -
*Gravija -
*agi102 - cliche_guerva, Sakura Hana, agi102 [3]
*Sakura Hana - goodmorning [1]
*T S O - notscience [1]
*notscience - Gravija [1]
*goodmorning - T S O [1]

Not voting: Cabd, Fferyllt [2]

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-10-04 23:50:00)

Cabd · Post Post #112 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:51 pm

In post 111, Malakittens wrote:MINE /wins

IIT mala forgets how to count

agi102 · Post Post #113 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:52 pm

Bah. Ok Cabd

UNVOTE: agi

Warning, I don't know if you'd call this a gambit or a reaction test. Maybe it's both.

I want scum to try to quick hammer (I am L-2 (L-3 after my unvote)). If they don't within the next 6 hours after I revote myself I'm unvoting myself because then it's clearly not working, or scum isn't paying attention.

Maybe it's both

I don't know how town reacts, but if anyone votes I vote them back. If you think this is OMGUS you haven't read any of the above.

Please specify what false positives that could interfere with this could occur.

I'll estimate its chance of working as 50%, plus or minus 10%.

Malakittens · Post Post #114 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:53 pm

In post 112, Cabd wrote:
In post 111, Malakittens wrote:MINE /wins
IIT mala forgets how to count

To be fair; I'm still trying to calm myself down out of happiness that ONE of my fav HOUSE actress is now on Castle.

Cabd · Post Post #115 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:57 pm

In post 113, agi102 wrote:Bah. Ok Cabd

UNVOTE: agi

Warning, I don't know if you'd call this a gambit or a reaction test. Maybe it's both.

I want scum to try to quick hammer (I am L-2 (L-3 after my unvote)). If they don't within the next 6 hours after I revote myself I'm unvoting myself because then it's clearly not working, or scum isn't paying attention.

Maybe it's both

I don't know how town reacts, but if anyone votes I vote them back. If you think this is OMGUS you haven't read any of the above.

Please specify what false positives that could interfere with this could occur.

I'll estimate its chance of working as 50%, plus or minus 10%.

Both scum will never quickhammer on day one. It's as good as claiming scum to get lynched on days two and three.

Cabd · Post Post #116 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:00 pm

BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.

fferyllt · Post Post #117 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:03 pm

In post 116, Cabd wrote:BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.

Your thoughts about ns?

Cabd · Post Post #118 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:18 pm

fferyllt wrote:
In post 116, Cabd wrote:BTW this is about as close to an innocent child as we're gonna get this game. Not lynching this thing EVER.
Your thoughts about ns?

In post 101, Cabd wrote:And notsci, you seem vaguely more interested in this game than some of your recent finished ones. You scum bro?

fferyllt · Post Post #119 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:38 pm

You know offhand if scum ns likes to hand out townreads to newbs, or is this a research project?

Cabd · Post Post #120 (ISO) » Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:42 pm

In post 119, fferyllt wrote:You know offhand if scum ns likes to hand out townreads to newbs, or is this a research project?

You know, I don't have quite enough data there yet. I can dive it tomorrow, remind me when I'm awake and posting.

Gravija · Post Post #121 (ISO) » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:21 am

Wow. So many posts while I'm sleeping. -.-;
Anyway, I'm gonna
VOTE: agi
Because I'm getting rather annoyed by him.

Gravija · Post Post #122 (ISO) » Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:22 am

Ebwop: Woops, forgot to unvote... Will that still count?

goodmorning · Post Post #123 (ISO) » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:49 am

In post 121, Gravija wrote:Wow. So many posts while I'm sleeping. -.-;
Anyway, I'm gonna
VOTE: agi
Because I'm getting rather annoyed by him.

Is being annoying a scumtell? Do you have any scumreads on anyone else? Townreads?

goodmorning · Post Post #124 (ISO) » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:49 am

In post 107, Cabd wrote:
In post 92, Cabd wrote:Light townread on cliche, agi looks like day one lynchfodder of choice.
ffery/GM, thoughts on these two? Notsci, do you agree with cliche-read?

I have actually been blatantly ignoring cliche in hopes that he'd say something about it. He didn't, but I have a slight townlean on him because he kinda reminds me of me in my first game. Agi is probably my strongest townread at this point and so I don't see where the "lynchfodder" statement is coming from as only two people seem to disagree.

In post 113, agi102 wrote:Bah. Ok Cabd

UNVOTE: agi

Warning, I don't know if you'd call this a gambit or a reaction test. Maybe it's both.

I want scum to try to quick hammer (I am L-2 (L-3 after my unvote)). If they don't within the next 6 hours after I revote myself I'm unvoting myself because then it's clearly not working, or scum isn't paying attention.

Maybe it's both

I don't know how town reacts, but if anyone votes I vote them back. If you think this is OMGUS you haven't read any of the above.

Please specify what false positives that could interfere with this could occur.

I'll estimate its chance of working as 50%, plus or minus 10%.

Scum won't quickhammer D1, or indeed usually outside of LyLo. This is because that would be tantamount to a Scum claim and they would quickly be lynched the next Day.
That is the definition of OMGUS and I fail to see what any of the above has to do with others voting for you.
False positives: I've personally seen Town quick- or drunk- hammer much more often than Scum.
I'd estimate its chance of working low, lower now you've spelled it out.

In post 119, fferyllt wrote:You know offhand if scum ns likes to hand out townreads to newbs, or is this a research project?

I'M ANSWERING A QUESTION FOR THE WRONG PERSON LOL
From my experience with scum-ns, no, but he has pretty adaptive play.

In post 120, Cabd wrote:
In post 119, fferyllt wrote:You know offhand if scum ns likes to hand out townreads to newbs, or is this a research project?
You know, I don't have quite enough data there yet. I can dive it tomorrow, remind me when I'm awake and posting.

Don't dive 1402, it makes me sad.

EBWODP LOL FUCKED UP POSTING THAT ONE