Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[Regfan]

Also lets make clear how sub-optimal your "lets have counter-wagons!!" tactic is; I have root canal tomorrow and likely won't be able to get on (I'll try and get on beforehand though), who knows if Sthar will turn up or not and scum can strategically lurk to avoid a lynch going through plus decent odds others are busy too. So your tactic and plan here is likely going to net us a no lynch which is dreadful.

[Regfan]

I'm heading out for a few hours but really hoping I come back to you having re-read 2Pac and realised he's not town.

[Mr_Ree]

I thought that's what I was doing....

If it is a mislynch, I want someone to fight for it so I can look back and use that as evidence for or against them. See if what they say fits.

2pac has stated his reads at every turn. His scum suspects match up with mine giving him a great deal of transparency. He is being targetted by my top scum read which earns him towncred in my books. He doesn't post out of fear, which is a towntell. He has linked evidence to support his conclusions. He has explained his cases, even if they are in verse. His self imposed posting restriction (while occasionally switching to Shakespearian (thou dost is not rapper vernacular)) was premeditated and entirely null. He gets his point across and pushes his scum reads.

That's why I read him as town. To get me to read him as scum, you must first convince me that Nom is town. That's something you've been unable to do thus far. How do you know I'm not right? For that matter, how am I supposed to know you are right when it goes against what I believe? It's like telling a Muslim to eat bacon because it tastes good to you.

I'm giving you plenty of reasons for and against your reads (mostly against) Why not start defending your reads and pushing your case instead of attacking me for pushing mine. Our reads are mutually exclusive and I doubt either of us will be switching anytime soon so start convincing the others if you truely are concerned with the impending deadline. I am only one voice and one vote. That leaves 8 others. If you want people to listen put everything in one

concise

post. Lay it all out. People like cases. towncases and scumcases. lay it all out so it's simple to follow. Then people will listen. Notice I've asked you and null both for cases against 2pac? It's because you haven't given me one I couldn't shred to pieces. Why? Because he probably isn't scum.

When I asked you to explain why you thought Nom is town, you told me to go back and read a few pages. I assure you I have read all of his posts. I see anti-town. Please tell me why he should be around come lylo instead of someone who
actually puts effort in to find scum.

Then there is the fact you've called both me and my reads idiotic. I can see why people would want to ignore your reads. That is NOT the type of attitude to bring to a newbie game. As an experienced player, you should know better. Smarten up.

Many of us are willing to switch to Skelda. That can be the compromise if we need one but if you were truly serious about that deal of yours, I'm sure you don't mind reversing it. Plus, with your concern of the impending deadline, you should have switched so we could have had a claim out of him hours ago. Again, if you have concerns about getting a claim before we lynch, why go with the less active player?

Anyone else joining the 2pac wagon, I want to hear your reasons why Nom is town and 2pac is scum.

[Mr_Ree]

Lol. i havent walled in a while...

[SatanHellYeah]

The truth is you're opposing a 2Pac lynch because

I'm

leading it and you don't want me to be right.

Want to make a deal? We lynch 2Pac; he flips scum you sheep me for the rest of the game or if I die you lynch Satan and if that doesn't end the game then perhaps Skelda afterwards. If he flips town I'll vote whoever you want tomorrow. Do we have a deal?

But this is idiotic. If 2pac flips town, you would have done a myslynch plus you will have to sheep a guy whose reads, in your opinion, are wrong.

You are not getting my vote, Regfan. I know you will use this as an argument to show "how 2pac and I are scumpartners". Since this is untrue, I do not care about your stupid accussations.

@Everybody
Can we get Skelda, pleeeease?

[Regfan]

Ree, I'll try and break this down so it's fairly readable, Your reasoning behind 2Pac being town are:

1) That you think Nom is scum and Nom is pushing 2Pac making 2Pac town.
2) That he doesn't post out of fear
3) That he's stated reads often and that his reads match yours.
4) That he has posted evidence for his reads.

I can't really say anything with 1) other than I think your incorrect read on Nom is ruining all your reads here and dude I'm like 99.9% sure of three things this game, those are that you're town, that Nom's town and that Sthars town so you pushing Nom here is making me boil with rage; I think Fuzzy and Ran are town too but there are small things that make me doubt it and it's nowhere near as solid as the listed three. I don't think 2) is relevant given that he hasn't really had any 'fear' to avoid from, only Noms pushed him throughout the day and no one has listened to Nom. I think 3) is a similar case to 1 in that I think your one wrong read (Nom) is really burdening everything and

there's actually a lot of contradictions in 2Pacs reads and thoughts

- I'll go into those in a second, on the same note I don't think 4) is true at all, see for instance him dodging explaining reasoning about Satan.

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I'm not just saying "Sheep me and read nothing!" at all, I'm explaining all my reads and thoughts in great detail and telling you I am

very very

confident that I have this game nailed and just need people to listen to me and no, I'm not some noob or anything that doesn't know how to scumhunt, I'm actually really good at it and generally spot on - particularly when it comes to reading newer players.

A Skelda lynch is significantly better than a Nom lynch but again I don't think the odds are super high of Skelda flipping scum and really your reasoning for town reading and not wanting to lynch 2Pac are actually quite bad and generally based on you scum reading Nom. And again; I did switch to attempt to get a lynch.

I gave you some fucking leeway since you wouldn't lynch Satan and instead moved to 2Pac who you never stated a prior town read on. I tried to work with you. I tried to compromise with you. You didn't do anything for me in return.

And I'm calling your reads and play shit because they are; it ignores a lot of logic, it doesn't consist of you

working

with others at all. As to why I'm trying to work with you and get you to vote 2Pac or with me because 1) Skeld and Nom are already voting 2Pac. 2) I don't trust my scum reads to vote with me and 2Pac won't selfovte and Satans post above clearly proves he was never going to buss. 3) Sthar is afk so it really just leaves you and Ran and Ran will just vote when it comes to the deadline.

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Satan, it's simple. I'm fairly positive that 2Pac is flipping scum both through process of elimination and a base read on him and making sure I get a scum lynched is better than doing nothing and standing around and letting someone I pretty much know is town get lynched.

[Regfan]

Here's why 2Pacs scum (If he's not lynched after this...);

1) 2Pac's Post 57 is a "serious vote" based around Nominull not reading a specific post from the mod (Not reading a post from the mod is generally a null-tell) but

the vital thing to note here is that there's no progression here at all, he maintains this scum read throughout the game

(Guess who keeps the same first vote as their scum read for the whole day; scum). In Post 67 he states that an OMGUS vote is a scum-tell but never comments on Satans initial OMGUS vote; this shows fabrication information to push a specific player rather than actually objectively scumhunt.

2)

Things like Post 81 where he goes "Gonna need to exlpain 39" or "Explain 79" in Post 99 are fake attempts to contribute,

they're empty questions asked with no reasoning behind them and no follow up afterwards. That's scum pretending to scumhunt.

3) In Post 99 he states that Bob is scum but in Post 127 Bob voting with him suddenly makes Bob town - that's fake reads. Literally no reasoning for Bob being town other than voting with him. In Post 106 he has a scum read on Fuzzy, it's not there previously and the only reasoning behind it is attacking 2Pac for lurking. He puts forward a case against Fuzzy in Post 138. In Post 248 he calls Fuzzy scum again. Then in Post 262 he doesn't keep his vote on Nom who he constantly calls scum, Fuzzy who he has constantly said is scum but instead, Mr Ree and lets look at his reasoning, it's becasue Ree called a post of Skeldas town and because he voted Fuzzy calling him new or scum. In this post he also FoS's Skelda.

So lets get this right; he calls Fuzzy is scum, Ree is scum, Nom is scum, Skelda is scum, notice how he's leaving himself a lot of people he can mslynch with the only person in the entire game that he's called town being Satan for one post and Bob for voting with him

Also note in Post 303 because Skelda ignored his FoS.

4)

In Post 379 my reads are "spot on" apparently but Satan is "newb" not "scum", I ask for reasoning behind it and instead in Post 437 he changes to "all your reads are based on associative and meta tells" which is an attempt to decredit.

He ignores the question I asked him, turns it on me saying "Explain his scum motivation" which I did do. I point all this out and

he goes in Post 469 that he was "purposely" downplaying my reads

pretty much because I have a scum read on him and remember these are the reads he agrees with and are spot on. That's what scum do.

[2Pac]

@Regfan
For the five-hundredth time I read Satan's play (including the OMGUS) as newb,
You didn't hear me the first, second, or third time, whats up with that dude?
Haha, son your play is vain,
I prodded your reads for reaction and you appear to have developed an ish stain,
Better come at me playa with a lot more than you have,
My top two scum reads are voting me and now you? Playa that ish is sad,
How about you quit lawyering Nom,
And let him defend his own scummy play mon,
Willing to vote for Skelda as my second scummiest read,
Nom is straight scum though playa, he can't get off of deez.

So using my vote to hunt scum is scummy mayne?
You saying I should have warned Bob and Ree, before I got reactions mayne?
Oh you seem to have this game all figured out man,
So how about you go ahead and explain my master scum plan?
I'm pretty sure you are town with your head up your ass,
But your logic is way too shaky for me to give you a town pass.

[Regfan]

So lets get this right, you're continuing to avoid the question again; I know you're stating you read Satans play as newb and not scum but I've been asking

why

do you read it that way. And:

1) So you calling my reads all based on meta and associations when I had a scum read on you (Which decredits me) a 'reaction-test' isn't even remotely believable and again there'd be no raeson to reaction test me if you had a town read on Bob like you claim to have. So you voting Ree and calling him scum is a reaction test, a reaction test you never stated a follow up on or claimed that it was a reaction test afterwards? And similarly you calling Bob scum and not saying anything of his "reaction" or that it was a reaction test afterwards is legitimate. Nope. not buying it.

2) So you stating "I'm pretty sure you are town with your head up your ass, But your logic is way too shaky for me to give you a town pass." is you calling me town but you don't want to call me town but not wanting to lock yourself in? Isn't this pretty much the same thing you called Ree scum for doing; leaving an opening to go back on at a later point.

Oh and the biggest scum tell of all; I post my case on you at 8;05am, you respond at 8;22am. This means you logged on, read everything including my post and typed up your own in 17 minutes. No chance that's a coincidence, it means you've been lurking the thread for some time now without posting which is scum actively lurking.

[Nominull]

(Guess who keeps the same first vote as their scum read for the whole day; scum).

Not, uh, always.

[Nominull]

At this point we don't have time for anyone but me or 2Pac. We don't have time anymore for a new wagon. So

either vote for me, or vote for 2Pac. There are no longer any other options.

If we no-lynch today we will lose. Lynching 2Pac would be extremely great, but lynching me would at least shed light on 2Pac and History's Greatest Townie Mr. Ree.

[Regfan]

True.

And Ree, if you don't read Post 535 as town then I really don't know what to say. It's bleedingly obvious town. Also note the fact that 2pac responded to a case on him within 17 minutes, it's actually a massive massive scum tell. Please, please, please lynch 2Pac.

[Regfan]

Alright, I'm heading to bed. I'll check this in the morning before I go for root canal. Really really hope 2Pac is lynched by then.

[SafetyDance]

Votecount 1.10

Nominull (3): Mr_Ree, 2Pac, TheFuzzylogic99

SatanHellYeah (2):

Skelda, Ranawey

2Pac (2):

Nominull, Regfan

skelda (1):

SatanHellYeah

Regfan (1):

sthar8

Not voting

:
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-09-25 09:00:00). With 9 players, it's 5 to lynch.

2Pac? Let's do it! VOTE: 2Pac

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[SatanHellYeah]

*Sigh...*

I guess you're right, Nom, and I won't get Skelda today. But if I have to choose between you and 2pac, I'll sadly vote you...

Waiting for the others to post, though. Specially sthar8. Where in hell is this guy?

[Nominull]

remind me of your reason for your townread on 2Pac, Satan?

[Ranawey]

I do have to agree with Reg here, these last days I've townread Nominull. It's a shame he's playing this bad, we got lucky he tunneled onto one of the highly likely scum.

I may have turned lazy about scumhunting since I agree with a lot of Reg said. I know I have to step it up, I feel like I did nothing these last days.

Since 2Pac is still L-2

unvote

VOTE: 2Pac

Anyways, I'm not liking Skelda's vibes.

Also, Reg, you said that Skelda was the one most likely to be scum and then you say he is not one of the most likely to be scum. How's that?

[Ranawey]

Ebwop
Now he is L-2, I've misread the VC

[Ranawey]

Also, if 2Pac flips town, we will be able to get more reads on Nominull

[SatanHellYeah]

I get my town read of 2pac from him contributing with his reads and not only lurking nor posting without content.

I know his rhymery makes him hard to read, and I know how stubborn he is, but I still read him as town.

But I am not placing my vote just now...

[Skelda]

VOTE: 2Pac

Sorry.

[Skelda]

I get my town read of 2pac from him contributing with his reads and not only lurking nor posting without content.

I know his rhymery makes him hard to read, and I know how stubborn he is, but I still read him as town.

But I am not placing my vote just now...

Alright, so if you think 2Pac is just stubborn, how in heck can Nomni, clearly more stubborn, be scum? That is illogical. And I don't see the great content you speak of from 2Pac, all of his play is just bad.

[SatanHellYeah]

I didn't say that being stubborn was a towntell.

If sthar joins, it will be his decision hammering one or another.

VOTE: Nominull

[Mr_Ree]

FOR THE LAST TIME, I'm not voting 2pac today.

I know EXACTLY what you are trying to do but I'm NOT falling for it. I don't have a high win rate because I'm wrong and I bow to pressure. I have a high win ratio because I catch scum and win games. I will not go against my reads. I believe in my reads and I think you are either scum or wrong here. Kill me tonight if you have to.

I will not vote WITH my scum reads AGAINST my townreads, no matter which townread you switch to.

[Skelda]

Would you rather there be no lynch, Ree? And has 2Pac claimed?