A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Syryana]

When you done wif yo alcohol and you reddy to tawk some sense you lemme know Tiercey-poo.

[Eddard Stark]

Day 1, Vc 33

PrideandJoy (1) -

Amrun

kanyeknowsbest (1) -

AGar

ooba (3) -

Alfred Borden, quadz08, PrideandJoy

StupendousMan (3)-

Tammy, Nautilius, Cephrir

Thor665 (4) -

Benmage, elleheathen, kanyeknowsbest, macmollie

Cephrir (1) -

Shadoweh

Goat on a Raft (1) -

Zdenek

Zdenek (2) -

StupendousMan, Messiah Complex

Garruk Relentless (1) -

SafetyDance

SafetyDance (4) -

Tierce, Syryana, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless

Amrun (1) -

Thor665

Shadoweh (1) -

ooba

Not voting (1)

- displaced

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor and Benmage are V/la

[Tierce]

Blech. That ooba post was dreadful. It's okay though, I needed more scumreads.

Lokyana, darling, I don't understand none of that Asgardian slang.

Do call me when you actually feel like dancing instead of offering empty promises.

Dude, I'm here. I'm still awake. Be more entertaining than Penn & Teller and I'll happily discuss things with you.

Faraday -- there's one vote missing on SafetyDance, yes?

[quadz08]

*sigh*

Problem #1: 3000 fucking scumreads. Scummy by itself? No. Scummy when considered of the context that he's done jack fuck to narrow the list? Hell fuck yes.

Problem #2: Reaction to scumslip. As town, when somebody else goes up to me and says "LOL YOU SCUMSLIPT LOL", the immediate town reaction (in my humble 13er opinion) is some variant of "lolthefuckyousmokintierce".

What did we get? "What? I scumslipped? Where?" *looks for scumslip for 20 minutes* "Oh, you mean that?" *proceeds to overexplain scumslip*

Hmm...

Problem #3: Best reasoning for anybody being in his scumlist is "X is most likely to flip scum." No reason X is scum. No indication of thought process. No indication of scumhunting. Hell, corollary to that, there's no reason anybody in his list is any alignment. The moral of the story: THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THOUGHT PROCESS OR ANY KIND OF ALIGNMENT HUNTING IN HIS READS LIST OR ISO.

Questions?

Pedit: Tierce, I was attempting to troll the fuck out of mollie, and you are all up in me shit. Besides, I don't

need

gallantry, because I got bitches

lining up

to be all in me shit. Just ask Tammy and Shadoweh.

These are all "bad/new at mafia" tells rather than scumtells.

I'm not opposed to him getting lynched on D1 (and would join a lynchwagon on him for that with no qualms), due to him being, in fact, bad/new at mafia. Characterizing his play as scummy, though, is misguided at best.

[Tierce]

These are all "bad/new at mafia" tells rather than scumtells.

Please explain how "reads list with no scumhunting process paired with a

lot

of scumreads justified with "oh I don't know the number of scum"" is

not

a scumtell.

We're having issues with this game. As CDB said, so one looks like obvious scum. I have a pathetically low number of scumreads which I

know

must be wrong, especially in multiball, and I know multiball will completely throw my Townreads all over the place and make them wrong because the T/s interactions exist between s1/s2. There are 12 different wagon attempts. And SafetyDance just happens to have ten scumreads. He magics ten scum with no justification, no explanations offered, defending the number as setup-ignorance instead of defending why any of them is scummy--

Do you see the problem here? In a game where people are remarkably difficult to read as scum, not only because of the setup but because we do have several people showing that getting strong scumreads isn't an easy thing, SafetyDance has no trouble churning out ten gakking scumreads on a first read, but they are all "vibes" he hasn't explained, narrowed down or discussed yet. I know this game is likely to have 6-8 scum (possibly a couple more if Faraxus got creative), but damn, I don't think I have more than four scumreads at the moment and I probably couldn't make a decent case for all of them. Ten, in multiball? Dayum, someone has a lot of mislynches he wants to push through.

[Tierce]

This list makes no sense whatsoever. And doesn't have a single reason on it even for the guy he's voting. What?

Cephrir, there's is no difference to my list to the one you posted a few posts down than a few extra lines attached to then.

Like yours, it's mostly a binary list. It's rudimentary, yes, I did quantify that in the very sentence above.

I did think people here had the intelligence to read that and understand it bt maybe I'm giving the site-meta too much credit in that regard.

Ultimately, it's no different to what Nautilius has been doing anyway with their list anyway.

Look at his ISO. Where is the attempt at sorting those people out? Why does he not answer the implicit question (which I believe was made explicit elsewhere) of why Garruk are scummy?

[Tierce]

Post 1104 brought to you by: Not Propped Up By Crappy Mafia Theory But Actually By This Very Game.

(Oh, he'll get it~)

[quadz08]

Ok, so for some reason I was conflating stupendousman and safetydance in my head when I made that post. I can appreciate the case on him a little bit better now. >_<

[Shadoweh]

What the hell does Pygmalion mean? >_>

[PrideandJoy]

sigh

proddodge

I'm going to kill dan. I've got 2 psets and 2 coding assignments due by Wednesday at midnight, so if fucking dan hasn't shown up to do anything I'll post thursday

-I'm a scrub.

[Syryana]

Lokyana, darling, I don't understand none of that Asgardian slang. Do call me when you actually feel like dancing instead of offering empty promises. Dude, I'm here. I'm still awake. Be more entertaining than Penn & Teller and I'll happily discuss things with you.

Penn & Teller are a hell of an act.

Tell you what.

Town:
Tammy
Empire
Thor
Tierce
mollie

Leaning town:
Benmage
elleheathen
Nautilus
Zdenek
kanye

Null:
agar
pnj
shadoweh
messiah
displaced
Amrun
goat
garruk

should be vig'd/policy'd:
StupendousMan

Leaning scum:
ooba

Scum:
SafetyDance
Cephrir

Let's sort some shit, Tierce. Read the above list and

shit on the stuff you don't like

give polite, mannered feedback.
(It also bugs me that I only have 2 real scumreads, this game sucks)

[PrideandJoy]

prodded. Chesskid been slacking it seems.

Still on Vacation; Thursday I'll be able to be more active.

fuck you dan

[Tammy]

Cephrir - in your reads list, you have me listed as null with the reasoning being that I'm not scum hunting. If I'm not scum hunting, why do you have me as a null read and not a scum read?

-cant quote cuz on phone at work but this just struck me and I didn't want to forget to ask.

[AGar]

15/45, I'm going to stab the next person who speaks directly to a head of a hydra.

[Tierce]

Lokyana, darling, I don't understand none of that Asgardian slang. Do call me when you actually feel like dancing instead of offering empty promises. Dude, I'm here. I'm still awake. Be more entertaining than Penn & Teller and I'll happily discuss things with you.

Penn & Teller are a hell of an act.

Tell you what.

Town:
Tammy
Empire (Llamarble is scum, though)
Tierce
mollie

Leaning town:
Benmage
elleheathen
Nautilius
Thor (Yes, I hate myself too)
goat
Syryana
pnj - Why are they null to you?

Null:
agar
shadoweh
messiah - I should probably read their posts. >.>
displaced
Amrun
garruk
kanye - I wanted to say leaning Town, but I get the impression he's playing stupid.
Zdenek
Cephrir - more Town than anyone else in this list

should be vig'd/policy'd:
StupendousMan - ...yes.

Scum:
ooba
SafetyDance

So this is even more pathetic than I thought, I don't even have

four

scumreads. That is an awful null mess, been too busy pushing people up the ladder instead of checking out the null pile. :/


AGar, darling, no stabbings. We just had a wedding, let's keep it safe and not bloody.

[AGar]

AGar, darling, no stabbings. We just had a wedding, let's keep it safe and not bloody.

fiiiiine

I'm reading, but was there anything highlight reel worthy between pages 17 and now? (Still gonna read, but Sparknotes are the shit).

[Tierce]

AGar, darling, no stabbings. We just had a wedding, let's keep it safe and not bloody.

fiiiiine

I'm reading, but was there anything highlight reel worthy between pages 17 and now? (Still gonna read, but Sparknotes are the shit).

SafetyDance has ten scumreads. Make of that what you will. As for other CliffsNotes, Alfred Borden, Tammy and I are Town and this is pretty much non-negotiable because we just rock like that. (It's kind of unfair, really, but we're really good at reading each other. Feel free to treat us as that really idiotic masonry that claims on D1. Yell at us for it if need be.)

I'd suggest reading and skipping over the overly-elaborated quote wars. Read everything Alfred Borden have posted. When you're done, check your reads and go see if there's more stuff you need to actually read in the walls. Worked just fine for me.

As for the rest of the game, who knows, I didn't read it either. :hitoshrug:

[elleheathen]

Eh, it's not just the scum list I'm having difficulty making but a list at all.

Going to scale the wall of some ISO's.

[Syryana]

So this is even more pathetic than I thought, I don't even have four scumreads. That is an awful null mess, been too busy pushing people up the ladder instead of checking out the null pile. :/

So after reading this I'm not sure if you're saying I suck, you suck, or we both suck. Not that any of that is relevant.

Why are you pestering me to dance when you do fuckall with what I give you? Give me some feedback damnit, or pick someone for us to sort.

[Tierce]

So this is even more pathetic than I thought, I don't even have four scumreads. That is an awful null mess, been too busy pushing people up the ladder instead of checking out the null pile. :/

So after reading this I'm not sure if you're saying I suck, you suck, or we both suck. Not that any of that is relevant.

Why are you pestering me to dance when you do fuckall with what I give you? Give me some feedback damnit, or pick someone for us to sort.

...you were the one who asked me to dance in the first place.

There was feedback there. Why are PrideandJoy null? Do you share my misgivings about kanye? Why is Cephrir scum to you? And yes, we should go through Messiah Complex, because I have trouble reading Desperado and he tends to have a rather unbalanced play regardless of alignment.

[macmollie]

@ syrlacious

you iso him in this:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29629

and then tell me that it is even remotely the same.

you have 8 freaking null reads and you are bitching about his scum reads while ignoring that he doesn't really differentiate between null and scum? [redacted] you

your case is downright

terrible

and reeks of opportunism in picking on low hanging fruit (which only makes sense if you are scum) and elitism (which I am surprised at you).

silly me. I had this retarded incredibly stupid idea that we were supposed to lynch scum not go for the easy lynch "just because" but mebbe that is cos it is my wc to do that. jesus fucking christ I subbed into a game that was about as confscum as you can get without a view and he was mislynched over me. your push on him looks scummy as fuck I don't care what anybody says.

[Cephrir]

*sigh*

Problem #1: 3000 fucking scumreads. Scummy by itself? No. Scummy when considered of the context that he's done jack fuck to narrow the list? Hell fuck yes.

Problem #2: Reaction to scumslip. As town, when somebody else goes up to me and says "LOL YOU SCUMSLIPT LOL", the immediate town reaction (in my humble 13er opinion) is some variant of "lolthefuckyousmokintierce".

What did we get? "What? I scumslipped? Where?" *looks for scumslip for 20 minutes* "Oh, you mean that?" *proceeds to overexplain scumslip*

Hmm...

Problem #3: Best reasoning for anybody being in his scumlist is "X is most likely to flip scum." No reason X is scum. No indication of thought process. No indication of scumhunting. Hell, corollary to that, there's no reason anybody in his list is any alignment. The moral of the story: THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THOUGHT PROCESS OR ANY KIND OF ALIGNMENT HUNTING IN HIS READS LIST OR ISO.

Questions?

Pedit: Tierce, I was attempting to troll the fuck out of mollie, and you are all up in me shit. Besides, I don't

need

gallantry, because I got bitches

lining up

to be all in me shit. Just ask Tammy and Shadoweh.

These are all "bad/new at mafia" tells rather than scumtells.

I'm not opposed to him getting lynched on D1 (and would join a lynchwagon on him for that with no qualms), due to him being, in fact, bad/new at mafia. Characterizing his play as scummy, though, is misguided at best.

Bullshit. Like Tierce said, he's not doing anything about it. Just voting one of them seemingly at random, which he still hasn't supplied reasons for even though I've asked him multiple times.

Cephrir - in your reads list, you have me listed as null with the reasoning being that I'm not scum hunting. If I'm not scum hunting, why do you have me as a null read and not a scum read?

-cant quote cuz on phone at work but this just struck me and I didn't want to forget to ask.

You're not doing anything scummy either, you just aren't doing anything at all. That said, it's beginning to annoy me that you don't sound like Cait Sith.

[quadz08]

Ok, so for some reason I was conflating stupendousman and safetydance in my head when I made that post. I can appreciate the case on him a little bit better now. >_<

Chrissakes, Ceph, read the fucking game.

[quadz08]

@ syrlacious

you iso him in this:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29629

and then tell me that it is even remotely the same.

you have 8 freaking null reads and you are bitching about his scum reads while ignoring that he doesn't really differentiate between null and scum? [redacted] you

your case is downright

terrible

and reeks of opportunism in picking on low hanging fruit (which only makes sense if you are scum) and elitism (which I am surprised at you).

silly me. I had this retarded incredibly stupid idea that we were supposed to lynch scum not go for the easy lynch "just because" but mebbe that is cos it is my wc to do that. jesus fucking christ I subbed into a game that was about as confscum as you can get without a view and he was mislynched over me. your push on him looks scummy as fuck I don't care what anybody says.

tbf, "not differentiating" between scum and null reads is stupid at the very best.

that said, this post came from town

[Syryana]

So this is even more pathetic than I thought, I don't even have

four

scumreads. That is an awful null mess, been too busy pushing people up the ladder instead of checking out the null pile. :/

There was feedback there. Why are PrideandJoy null? Do you share my misgivings about kanye? Why is Cephrir scum to you? And yes, we should go through Messiah Complex, because I have trouble reading Desperado and he tends to have a rather unbalanced play regardless of alignment.

I guess I'll read between the lines harder next time.

I'll get to sorting shortly. There's something else that commands my attention at this time.

@ syrlacious

you iso him in this:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29629

and then tell me that it is even remotely the same.

Well, it's not the same at all. Which makes sense, considering he was town there and he's not here.

you have 8 freaking null reads and you are bitching about his scum reads while ignoring that he doesn't really differentiate between null and scum? [redacted] you

Reading comprehension is a thing.

your case is downright

terrible

and reeks of opportunism in picking on low hanging fruit (which only makes sense if you are scum) and elitism (which I am surprised at you).

You evidently don't know me that well, then.

silly me. I had this retarded incredibly stupid idea that we were supposed to lynch scum not go for the easy lynch "just because" but mebbe that is cos it is my wc to do that.

God, if you come up with ideas like

that

, you should give up on this whole thinking thing.

jesus fucking christ I subbed into a game that was about as confscum as you can get without a view and he was mislynched over me. your push on him looks scummy as fuck I don't care what anybody says.

Good for you...?