Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[Bert]

EBWOP: Sorry for the spam. Brain's in a clutter. What I'm trying to say is Nacho I am accounting for outside variables. And we *did* rush yesterday. The frantic pace to start today - I never thought I'd say this - but Tammy's doing the right thing in being cautious and using most of this day to discuss lynches.

Part of why yesterday was unbelievably "crazy," as you so put it, is because you were one of the ones pressuring us to quicklynch QUICKLYNCH.

You know, how in 527 which just ended, I felt pressured by Majiffy to hammer SD? That's the kind of pressure that has been present with you. I think you're town, don't get me wrong.

- Bert

[Bert]

Wait wait wait

It doesn't make sense for Mara to claim town lovers on D2 unless she knew Shadoweh was the last mafia remaining before Shadoweh's flip

Claiming that as a third party on D2 makes her NK bait...unless somehow she is BP and wasn't scared of a mafia NK (is that even possible?)

So Nacho Tammy Empire Qwints Mara tomorrow even if Matt's lynched and Im poisoned

This just occurred to me, as Im going to bed

Lol this game
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[Generic]

Nacho,

Have you honestly just questioned why qwints would clear mara as town? Seriously?

I have seen and used numerous lovers setups which have the following setup:
One lover town
One lover mafia
Both actually third party, and win as a team separate from both their teams.

Now why would they clear each other as town? It's a mystery.

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 4.3

projectmatt [3] - Ms Marangal, Nachomamma8, qwints

Ms Marangal [2] - Bert, Generic

Not Voting [3] - projectmatt, Empire, Tammy

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

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Deadline is October 6, 2013, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-10-06 13:00:00)

[qwints]

Wait are we really second guessing ourselves? I've been kind of tuned out since it looks like an autowin. Town would be insanely weak without Mara as a modified vig.

If we lynch Mara today, I die too. Generic was poisoned. That means 4 townies or 5 if there's no nk again. (Wow, we really can't lose this, can we?) Now there's a decent chance we've already won given generic's efforts here, but it doesn't really matter. I'm confident in Tammy, Nacho and Empire as town, and scum simply can't kill enough of those off now to win. Unsurprisingly, it's hard for us to lose when we got two scum in two days.

[Tammy]

I just had a random thought.

What if marble was a tracker?

Then there could be a ninja, right?

Okay more after work, that was just a random thought I didn't want to forget about.

[Generic]

Wait are we really second guessing ourselves? I've been kind of tuned out since it looks like an autowin. Town would be insanely weak without Mara as a modified vig.

If we lynch Mara today, I die too. Generic was poisoned. That means 4 townies or 5 if there's no nk again. (Wow, we really can't lose this, can we?) Now there's a decent chance we've already won given generic's efforts here, but it doesn't really matter. I'm confident in Tammy, Nacho and Empire as town, and scum simply can't kill enough of those off now to win. Unsurprisingly, it's hard for us to lose when we got two scum in two days.

You need to get your story straight qwints. Your number crunching assumes me town, then you revert to the party line I'm scum. And I'm only scum given my actions toDay? So before your teammate poisoned me you had me as town? so why was the poisoning wasted on me?

I already stated. Mara is either a moron or scum. I hope it's the latter cos I on e me tired her and from what I've seen this game if she isn't scum she has deteriorated in her ability to play this game.

My vote is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, it's beets vote you need to move. You can pass my vote off as OMGUS for the poisoning but you haven't which I find interesting. You instead both of you keep saying I'm scum but lets focus on matt anyway even though you have poisoned the last scum.
Doesn't add up.

Matt is an easy lynch. So lynch him.

[Generic]

I hope it's the latter cos I on e me tired her = I hope it's the latter cos I once mentored her...

[Ms Marangal]

sidestepped one page of points

GENERIC DID THIS ALL OF DAY ONE, MOST OF DAY TWO

SPENT A GOOD PORTION OF D1 ONE TRYING TO BUDDY UP TO TAMMY, CALLED YOU OUT AS SCUM FOR DOING THE EXACT SAME THING TO NACHO

HE ALSO BUDDIED UP TO FREAKING NACHO, AND WHEN THAT FAILED, HE CALLED ME OUT ON IT HOPING THAT I WOULD FOOL HIM, WHEN WE ALL KNOW I FUCKING CAN'T

SAID I TRIED TO GET RID OF THE OTHER TEAM, AS A THIRD-PARTY LOVERS WITH QWINTS AS IF I KNEW WHO THEY WERE,

AND

TRIED TO MAKE ME PART OF SHADOWEH'S AND DESPERADO'S SCUMTEAM

ALSO SPENDS TODAY BUDDYING THE FUCK UP TO YOU

AND HE HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY NO SCUMHUNTING AT ALL AND YOU HAVE READ HIM AS TOWN ALL FUCKING GAME

HE'S BEEN CALLING HYPOCRISY A SCUMTELL, HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT THAT

AND YOU JUST FREAKING IGNORED THAT I HAD STATED THAT I AM NOT POISONING TONIGHT IF BOTH GENERIC AND MATT END UP TOWN

GENERIC HAS SPENT TODAY CALLING ME A MORON, EVEN THOUGH MY PLAY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL FOR ANY SCUM-TEAM

AND THIRD PARTY IS STILL SCUM

[Ms Marangal]

You need to get your story straight qwints.

AND SPEAKING OF KEEPING ONES STORY STRAIGHT

YOU HAVE CALLED ME SCUM WITH SHADOWEH

THEN SCUM ON MY OWN

AND THEN, WHEN I BRING UP I CAN'T BE SCUM WITHOUT QWINTS, YOU DON'T EVEN COMMENT ON THIS OTHER THAN "you wouldn't lie as scum"

WHAT IS IT, AM I SCUM WITH SHADOWEH OR AM I THIRD PARTY LOVERS WITH QWINTS

I CAN'T BE FUCKING BOTH

[Bert]

Hmm...

Hey MARPLE! <3

OK actually I have been gone most of today and I need to catch up with lots of things but I will be here tonight to read over what y'all lovelies have posted

will anyone else be here

Love, Bert

[Ms Marangal]

and third party is scum Bert, I havn't avoided answering shit

[Ms Marangal]

and third party is scum Bert, I havn't avoided answering shit

[Ms Marangal]

YOU DON'T GET TO CALL ME MARPLE BERT.

and Tammy, I didn't mention it because Empire had advised against it when I mentioned that in our neighborhood. I didn't think it was useful to share or to keep it a secret, so I just took empires advice on that.

[Tammy]

I'll be able to catch up and pay attention more to this now that that damn lylo game is over.

I'll try tonight but I'm really tired so it might be tomorrow.

Mara - I'm mostly annoyed because of how much time I spent debating between the three of us to heal the past two nights. My decision would have been a lot easier if I would have know the two of you only died if you died because then I wouldn't have entertained qwints at all. And I would have been pissed if I healed qwints thinking I could outguess scum and they targetted you and you both died when I wouldn't have healed him in the first place. I guess it doesn't matter because noone's died the past two nights and if scum do have a kill and if they have been killing I've been healing correctly.

[Bert]

You don't need the caps lock to get your point across; you're articulate enough as is

also, read #2176 again

do you typically overreact like this? If it was Mollie, then I could understand as it's part of what she does, and she takes it to a more personal level which you don't here (whew, don't want this game to become personal)...don't get me wrong, Mollie's style is very effective and eliciting reactions, but it is far from the way I have seen you play....to each their own, but you? I'm a bit rattled. If you're town, I see you panicking behind the scenes and trying to make sense of everything. I hope that makes sense, though I'm afraid it may not.

The caps overreaction is sort of like a smokescreen, as you are competent. You know that! <3

With that said, I am still not sure about you. Do you blame me? Because once Matt goes along with Generic, if the game isn't over, then town's in deep trouble. Picking from Empire, Tammy, Nacho, me, You, qwints. One of us may or may not be poisoned. There may or may not be a NK. It's instant MYLO/LYLO. Everyone is pointing (well, almost everyone) their finger at Matt. You know I'm the next to go if we see another day - and that's assuming you keep your word, aren't scum, and don't poison anyone tonight. Once scum bring/brings up the paranoia about my past scum games,the remaining scum(s) will be golden.

Do you see my position here?

Please read my epiphany last night:

Spoiler:

Wait wait wait

It doesn't make sense for Mara to claim town lovers on D2 unless she knew Shadoweh was the last mafia remaining before Shadoweh's flip

Claiming that as a third party on D2 makes her NK bait...unless somehow she is BP and wasn't scared of a mafia NK (is that even possible?)

So Nacho Tammy Empire Qwints Mara tomorrow even if Matt's lynched and Im poisoned

This just occurred to me, as Im going to bed

And relax. You're not in danger of being lynched, as it's evident there wouldn't be enough support either way for this seemingly far-fetched hypothesis/theory

That's my stance.

[Bert]

^that post was to Mara, not Tammy.

[Bert]

What I'm saying is you know how dangerous Con Mafia's setup was; Nacho knows how dangerous SK's game became....those are instances where outside variables came into play and town was completely unprepared for a twist - town's chances are influenced by that.

Let's say Matt turns up town along with Generic - please note, this is a hypothetical. What would you advise town to do next?

[Tammy]

The thing is that if they were third party lovers they would have a pretty good idea that the scum team would just be two.

I'm just still trying to wrap my head around the idea of intentional no kills because that doesn't make sense. It made sense when we thought it was shoe cuz mutley had been gone, but not now.

Idk nothing makes sense right now at all. Hopefully well hear back from Matt soon too.

[Tammy]

Is it insane that I'm still worried about nacho?

[Bert]

Is it insane that I'm still worried about nacho?

No, it's not. Everyone's fair game at this stage. We're running out of options once Matt dies along with Generic (and potentially me). Nacho feels like he's pressuring us to lynch Matt, much like Majiffy pressured town to lynch SD quickly (and to an extent also steered a quick TF buss lynch).

I'm just still trying to wrap my head around the idea of intentional no kills because that doesn't make sense. It made sense when we thought it was shoe cuz mutley had been gone, but not now.

This bothers me too. That's why I feel it's weird that Nacho is so nonchalant, like "we got this, y'all, don't you worry." Same with qwints's comment along the lines of "I haven't been here much because I feel like we've got it in the bag." If anything, Nacho is not being as openly considerate of our positions as I'd like to see him be.

I've been kind of tuned out since it looks like an autowin.

[Bert]

For the record, I'm most worried about tomorrow (and the game resuming tomorrow isn't even a given!!!). What can confusion do to you, lol

[Bert]

EBWOP: What I'm saying is, Nacho we are not suggesting blasphemy. I'm biased but also can't say I'm pleased with how receptive you are about our theorizing. Sorry, bad editing led to three consecutive posts. Sowwy!

[Ms Marangal]

do you typically overreact like this?

no, but I typically don't cry or self vote either when people pressure me so...

and as for your epiphany, idgi

Qwints was about to get wagoned and it looked like he was a really good lynch prospect. Why wouldn't I claim something that would save someone who I know is town, and narrow down the scum-pool?

[Bert]

Epiphany was that it suddenly occurred to me that on D2, I doubt you could have known Shadoweh would eventually flip mafia.

Therefore, it would be reasonable for you as 3rd-party to avoid coming out at all costs because the other mafia faction could target you for an NK and cripple your winning chances. However, then the other side of me thinks "hey, qwints was really in danger of being lynched, and so Mara had no choice but to claim and hope a protective PR would protect her/them. However, you discussed this in your neighborhood QT before coming out, which is risky as a 3rd party to do without knowing your neighbors' alignments.

But what Generic brought up about two lovers with different lovers confuses me even more: post #2177 - on phone and cannot quote atm

Also, I didn't realize third party is considered 'scum,' and that 'scum' applies to all anti-town factions.

I guess what Im trying to say is Im confused and don't know what to think anymore

This no-killing business is off-the-charts nutso