A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[kanyeknowsbest]

still think quadz and zed are scum?

[Thor665]

I just want to get something straight tho, you are going to insist that I can't read you and then....get upset when I can't read you?

Um...there's a bit of a difference between read me "discern my alignment and grok my meta" and read me "understand the written word"
I don't think you can do the former...I, up until recently, thought you could do the latter.

what you said was that you were neutral on ooba's wagon when I asked you about ooba the player

ooba /= ooba's wagon

Tierce is now a scumread of mine.
Kanye is now a town read.

If they had wagons on them then I would be passing no judgement on people voting my townread or not voting my scum read by saying this.
Go figure.

[macmollie]

I am pretty sure you never thought the former was true since I think you have accused me of it in nearly every game we have played together whenever I have disagreed with you.

having said that, I nearly want to weep with relief that you think tierce might be scum cos I have been having the same thoughts for a good bit and if tierce is scum then most likely so is nacho plz don't argue just entertain the idea for a minute.

kanye has been town since the beginning of the game but he is starting to solidify his grounding a good bit which I think this game needs.

I am moving you back to the town pile don't freaking argue just accept it even if it is cos there was a face in my cheerios that might have looked like the mona lisa the read is still valid if it is right.

[Thor665]

I am pretty sure you never thought the former was true since I think you have accused me of it in nearly every game we have played together whenever I have disagreed with you.

Good job proving my point about the latter.

having said that, I nearly want to weep with relief that you think tierce might be scum cos I have been having the same thoughts for a good bit and if tierce is scum then most likely so is nacho plz don't argue just entertain the idea for a minute.

I took it to a ballpark.
What's the connection between them?

I am moving you back to the town pile don't freaking argue just accept it even if it is cos there was a face in my cheerios that might have looked like the mona lisa the read is still valid if it is right.

A conclusion being right does not prove the methodology used to reach it being valid.

[macmollie]

I took it to a ballpark.
What's the connection between them?

look how often tierce zeroes in on nacho; and look how nonreactive he is. about now I would expect nacho to be feeling uneasy about tierce and that she is using him as a smokescreen to mask her lack of scumhunting or doing anything constructive in the game. on mine and mac's spreadsheet I had her as town and mac has her as strong town but that is cos of her entrance and cos she is not behaving anything like she did in red wedding but then I would expect a strong player like tierce to mix up her scum meta. but she isn't doing

anything

I mean she is like the box that cereal comes in when it is already wrapped in plastic as in for all practical purposes she is useless except to look pretty on a shelf. it is for

that

reason I think it is multiball, not because she brought it up but cos of how she is behaving. it screams multiball to me plus I am sure you have heard me bang on at least once in a game about town moving in herds but in this game the town herd is very very dispersed and it is making me even more freakishly paranoid than usual.

tl;dr it reminds me of how angry pidgeon and I were in legends.

A conclusion being right does not prove the methodology used to reach it being valid.

good thing I made no statement about the proof of the methodology then huh.

[Thor665]

I see that as valid logic why Tierce looks scummy.
It is based on a lot of assumptions to drag Nacho into the mix though.

[Tierce]

...Tierce zeroing in on Nacho? I'm

joking

with him, and he knows it. He also knows I have trouble reading him, and that frankly I'm treating him as Town Today (and probably until something like D3) because Nacho is a goddamn freebie if this is multiball. It's what happens to players with a reputation who draw scum in multiball: they bite it, because the other team can't afford to let them live because hey, they be dangerous. And no, I am not downplaying my play to not eat a kill by "the other scum team", before you assume that's what I'm doing. From experience, I can play the lousiest, most obvious scum game imaginable and still eat a cross-kill because the SK thinks I am a Town PR. >.>

I can tell you why this is multiball almost without a shade of a doubt. I've talked with Faraday, both in person and online/on the forums, about how unfeasible it is to have games this size (I believe he actually used the number 24, which is frankly the practical limit--can you imagine something like 12 Days, if there isn't a Vig/Weak Roles/etc.? No thank you) without something accelerating the Night kills. That is either weird mechanics, which isn't so much Faraday's purview (see Vi's Maf.Maiden for a game that did have alternative wincons), or with multiple killing factions. That doesn't mean vigs, that means two scum teams and/or a Serial Killer. (No, we don't have three scum teams, stop being unused to site meta. 23-{X+Y}:X:Y:2 is possible, though.)

I am genuinely taking this easy. I like the majority of this playerlist (a rarity), I love the flavor, I fucking love my character, and I have a good spread of Townreads. I may not be doing all that you expect of me, but anyone who

does

know both my Town play and scum play (unlike you and Mac) can tell you they are quite different. I'm relaxed, because goddammit I haven't gotten a break in a Mafia game that wasn't tugging at my nerves for one reason or another for

months

and I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying having people who can accurately read me in the game and not having to give a fuck about being voted for idiotic stuff, and still relieved as fuck the fact that I drew Town in these conditions. I'd say the word is "carefree", even though it's not literally accurate. Worry-free? Maybe something like that. You know those vacation package photos of a woman on a pool with a drink and sunglasses? That's me about this game. Knowing myself, I'll start fretting over this soon enough, so I'm enjoying the chlorine and sunshine while my brain doesn't go into full-blown tinfoil.

But you're saying I'm not doing

anything

, and that isn't accurate. I might not be doing things that you understand (this doesn't mean that I think you're stupid, just that what I'm doing might not be obvious), but don't assume there's nothing there whatsoever. If you want stuff from me, talk with me.

[Eddard Stark]

WHOOPS BEEN BUSY HAVE A VC

Day 1, Vc 36

PrideandJoy (1) -

Amrun

ooba (8) -

Alfred Borden, quadz08, PrideandJoy, AGar, Shadoweh, Tierce, Tammy, StupendousMan

StupendousMan (1)-

Nautilius

Thor665 (3) -

Benmage, elleheathen, kanyeknowsbest, macmollie

Goat on a Raft (1) -

Zdenek

Zdenek (1) -

Messiah Complex

Garruk Relentless (2) -

SafetyDance, Cephrir

SafetyDance (3) -

Syryana, Goat on a Raft, Garruk Relentless

Amrun (1) -

Thor665

Shadoweh (1) -

ooba

Not voting (1)

- displaced

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor and ooba are V/la

Prodding Amrun and Nautilius

[macmollie]

okay

I am going to step away from this game for a bit cos I am not just wearing a tinfoil hat I am wearing a tinfoil headdress complete with draping that hits the floor like I can't believe I just freaked out about nacho when he didn't just reach out to me he gave me a hug.

tierce that post was full of aTe so not sure if I am buying it.

anyways I feel really good about this vote:

VOTE: goat people

cos I am pretty sure that they have been around but are ignoring the game for some reason.

[Thor665]

I random news - I nominate displaced for inclusion in the Vig/SK who wants to pretend to be Vig pool.

[quadz08]

cos I am pretty sure that they have been around but are ignoring the game for some reason.

this is a really shitty reason for a vote at this stage in the game when Goat has been around preeeetty regularly. "oh noez they have not posted in this thread for like 24 whole hours" is an

awful

fucking scumtell. plz to be trying again

in other news, I <3 town for the Ooba wagon. StupendousMan looks to have given up on trying to reason with the rest of the town, which actually reads as newtown in this context to me. (Also, I have no scumreads currently on the Ooba wagon, which is even better. A few nulls, but no scums.)

[Goat on a Raft]

cos I am pretty sure that they have been around but are ignoring the game for some reason.

[Goat on a Raft]

ooba is ostensibly (but weakly) in the town-for-today pile but we're at 53 gorram pages and this head would very much like some flips.

UNVOTE: SafetyDance
VOTE: ooba

[Tierce]

DeliGoat: Where's the lemon?

[Tierce]

And not a peach. Not a single goddamned peach.

Why, HBO. Why.

(We got lobster and ham. WHY NOT A PEACH.)

[Goat on a Raft]

DeliGoat: Where's the lemon?

Real life is kicking his zesty yellow arse. This head is flying solo for the time being.

[macmollie]

not the only reason i don't like goat. 947 felt really fake. we have sd/stup down as lynchbait for today (until further notice) and whilst i'm not giving them a free pass they are pretty easy wagons and the goat hydra has jumped on both. claiming stup

was his only scumread

is quite frankly shit for two pretty competent players.

[Garruk Relentless]

FINALLY got to hash stuff out with SSK last night. He said he'd post later today, so I'll just do some cliff notes at the moment.

-SSK doesn't like ooba, feels he's only putting up the illusion of scumhunting. I'm completely neutral on the push still(which is why our vote isn't there right now).
-I didn't like macmollie in Castle and I don't like her here, I think it's a matter of personality/style clashing, though, so I'm defering to SSK for now. SSK has a VERY slight scum leaning on her, due to her heavy push on someone who we consider one of the strongest townreads.
-We are in agreeance that Cephrir is town. Nothing special here, we just like his posting.
-Goat on a Raft we both are leaning town, but when examining further, we couldn't find any particular reason to think that way.
-We're hashing out kanye...we both think he's town, in actuality, but kanye's a shrewd customer and as such we're being more careful with him that usual. SSK posted a metadive of kanye-games in our QT, but I'm not going through them any time in the near future, I don't know if SSK wants to either.
-For the love of god, thor is sending the Town Beams down our eyes and if he's scum, I'll eat my shoe.

[Goat on a Raft]

claiming stup

was his only scumread

is quite frankly shit for two pretty competent players.

Your point being?

[Cephrir]

cos I am pretty sure that they have been around but are ignoring the game for some reason.

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

Kanye these last three pages is pretty crazy town. Sorry I couldn't see that before.

[quadz08]

I reeeeeeeally don't like Ceph's last post. "sorry I didn't agree with you guyyyys" doesn't seem terribly townish to me.

[AGar]

@AGar - a Day 1 lynchbait? Are you serious? Look at the player list, we don't need to be limiting ourself to culling at this stage and it seems silly to choose to do so. Neither of them are being pro town, which is the basic impetus of your Ooba push, but add in Amrun's awkward defense of me or Ceph's aggressive refusal to actually look at motivation and I think they both look worse objectively.

Both of them got slight town-leanings from me in my read-up, but nothing strong on either end. But it was enough to warrant me not bothering to consider them for D1 targets when I saw better ones. I'd have to re-read them (I'll do that tonight) to be more in-depth/see what you might be seeing for great justice and all that rah-rah bullshit.

Nice to see mac still avoiding the Ooba wagon. If you have conflicting reads, read and read again until they aren't conflicting. Or just sheep the vote because you're not going to come to a timely conclusion, but there are :goodfeels: on this wagon, and you have yet to provide a reason NOT to vote him.

[Thor665]

I reeeeeeeally don't like Ceph's last post. "sorry I didn't agree with you guyyyys" doesn't seem terribly townish to me.

Vote him then, I'll sheep you.

[quadz08]

I like my ooba wagon tyvm

[Zdenek]

Zdenek, there is a significant lack of voting-kanye in that post where you say he can die

I only get one vote.

This seems like something you could have confirmed/denied on your own.

I tried and failed; hence the question.

Why?

I find that scum replace out under pressure at a higher rate than town.

Nothing? Pretty sure I didn't say you had a problem with those people, but that you were pushing Goat because he focused on Cephrir over other people who did the same thing when you were one of those people. It was a really roundabout way to say "I don't think not helping kanye get the game out of RVS is scummy." It's even worse because you're wrong.

As far as I can tell, this is nonsense. What am I wrong about?

^Literally Zdenek testing the waters on Kanye immediately after calling quadz out for testing the waters on him.

No. I'm saying Kanye can die. Not I don't like Kanye.

mollie's do not touch don't even look at them funny if you do I will hurt you pile:

naut
tammy
syrlacious
kanye
thor

thor's push on amrun is at a time when it needs to happen

VOTE: amrun

vote thor

you have my sword.

VOTE: thor

miolly what happened

what are you asking me here kanye

This is completely insane.