A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Shadoweh]

The problem with pushing 'stronger' scum reads is I wouldn't say I have a super strong one right now. Besides, I wasn't getting anywhere pushing my own. >_> Better to push for what's most likely to happen that's acceptable.

Also ooba voted me before I voted him, so saying he's suspecting me because I'm voting him is the egg before the chicken isn't it?

also I'll be shocked if this post goes through. I'm starting to believe MS is allergic to me @_@

[Thor665]

It was an agreement with a sentiment that had just been expressed by several others, including you, mollie and Garruk.

If this is all true, you are horrible at grammar.
I don't find it an increase in your scumminess though.
I do find your dodginess to bug me, but that's hardly new this game so you can join Kanye and Mollie in the great pool of 'let's be obtuse and call it strategy'
Still want to lynch you.

[Cephrir]

Any stupidity exhibited in my recent posts is entirely unintentional.

[Alfred Borden]

Empire here, been dealing with Bar exam passage related stuff/misc. other things and I finally have enough time now to dedicate to catching up.

Looks like I have 15 pages to power through. Will I make it all the way to the end???? Let's find out.

[Alfred Borden]

*cracks knuckles*

@Alfred - do you seriously expect me to read your heads separate?

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that both of us have different ways of doing things (Llamarble especially plays very differently than most people do but he wrecks shit when he gets into his groove), and if dissonance really bothers you, then just leave us to our own devices while we figure stuff out and we're able to pool our resources together. We're heading there but it's still going to take some time. I guess this is just a long winded way of me asking you for a bit of patience.

notable thing is that the theory under the sea is thrown out due to the replace out
andrius is back on the list

Really? If anything, I found the replace out townish, especially the "Tierce is town though, I just wanted to be a bit more careful with things" bit -- mostly the fact that he felt the need to explain what he was doing there in his early interaction with Tierce and the result he got from it as he was leaving. I think as scum he'd have just left it at "my reads are the same as before" as that doesn't really give away much information considering the early game nature of the reads.

Desp, you should vote Zdenek with me.

@Tierce- Empire said something polite in the post where he addressed me, so I returned the favor.

@Shadoweh- Who do you think is scum right now? I'm too lazy to look back.

StupendousMan, you're making me very very sad again. I asked you a question in #932 and you ignored me. Please answer my question.

Peacebringer folding under such little pressure is a problem.

Eh, disagree here. PeaceBringer replacing out because he felt like people were putting down his playstyle felt more town to me. I think he'd be far less inclined to care as scum.

(P.S.: Tierce is still town and you're wrong, sorry foxman.)

I have no idea what he is capable of

Here's a long, detailed, comprehensive list of the things I am capable of doing as scum:

[AGar]

Shadoweh is someone I like in this game.

Ceph's... save, was well... confusing.

Ooba still needs to be dying.

Also, Thor... I asked a preeeeetty specific question in #1252. And you didn't answer it. You give me a sad. (Yes, I re-read Ceph, no I don't like it for lynching. No, I haven't re-read Amrun just yet, yes that's next on the list.)

[macmollie]

WAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!

I see that as valid logic why Tierce looks scummy.

thor since when have you ever thought any of my logic was valid? name 1 other time in a game that you ever thought that something I said was valid or had anything to do with logic much less have any merit to it? in fact that is the whole reason as to why you always want to pl me and why we fight it is cos you say you can never understand a single thing I say. you're scum aren't you? oh god that is why you have been so civil isn't it?

VOTE: thor

no wonder the game is feeling so off there is a rotten apple trying to worm their way into town's core.

[Alfred Borden]

Really really dislike the reads list ooba put up in #1098. I need to make some time this weekend to cross check some of his games, but the rationale behind a lot of those reads seem really weak and I don't really see any natural progression towards it or to further any of the reads on it. It just feels like content for the sake of content.

That last bit with Thor and kanye (which, incidentally, pinged Thor-Town for me). kanye's reaction to Thor answering for someone else seemed out of place, as it wasn't any sort of leading question, it was something that jut asked for a clarification. It seems like kanye is trying to ply that "Town who is annoyed at someone ruining their magic" line and doing it out of place--that reaction to Thor doesn't feel like it's coming from Town.

Not really seeing it at all here w.r.t. kanye and the "annoyed at being interrupted" thing seems consistent with his early game reaction-wagon approach. More importantly, though, kanye seems to me like the kind of guy who thinks about the long game as scum and wouldn't throw down a vote if he didn't think there was something substantial behind it. I don't think he'd try to go for that knee-jerk reaction as scum to look town as there's no long-term benefit and is too high risk (for example, he risks getting backlash from attacking a "strong player" like Thor).

I don't know if any of this makes sense but it sounded way better in my head.

Borden, tell me about your read on me?

Llamarble and I already talked about it here and here and not much has changed in that regard. Sorry Zdenek-kun =/

Alfred Bordempire - I think I remember you saying that he was reacting much like he did as town in The Wire. I just read back through his play there last night as well as a couple of his other recent town games, and are you sure about that?

Well, I reread it again just now + compared it to his play in that game mollie linked. As scum, he just seems really awkward/forced and doesn't really know what to say when confronted with suspicion. The best example of that is #1115 in that game where he just kinda awkwardly tries to shrug off Majiffy's suspicion of him. In The Wire, he stood his ground and confidently addressed what people were saying about him (this post being a really good example). Take a look at how he responds to the ten scums related suspicion brought up against him here -- he addresses it point-blank, sounds completely comfortable in his responses and is not afraid to call people on what he sees as bullshit. I'll look over more games of his when/if I get some time, but I think he's a bad wagon.

[Tammy]

Alfred Bordempire - I think I remember you saying that he was reacting much like he did as town in The Wire. I just read back through his play there last night as well as a couple of his other recent town games, and are you sure about that?

Well, I reread it again just now + compared it to his play in that game mollie linked. As scum, he just seems really awkward/forced and doesn't really know what to say when confronted with suspicion. The best example of that is #1115 in that game where he just kinda awkwardly tries to shrug off Majiffy's suspicion of him. In The Wire, he stood his ground and confidently addressed what people were saying about him (this post being a really good example). Take a look at how he responds to the ten scums related suspicion brought up against him here -- he addresses it point-blank, sounds completely comfortable in his responses and is not afraid to call people on what he sees as bullshit. I'll look over more games of his when/if I get some time, but I think he's a bad wagon.

I was hoping you'd pick up something in particular with The Wire game and here. There's something really incompatible that's bugging me.

[Alfred Borden]

I was hoping you'd pick up something in particular with The Wire game and here. There's something really incompatible that's bugging me.

Maybe it's because I'm tired or something but I'm really not seeing a difference here. What do you see?

(Still catching up but almost done.)

[StupendousMan]

StupendousMan, how much offsite mafia experience do you have, if any?

A tiny bit.

[Tammy]

I was hoping you'd pick up something in particular with The Wire game and here. There's something really incompatible that's bugging me.

Maybe it's because I'm tired or something but I'm really not seeing a difference here. What do you see?

(Still catching up but almost done.)

I'll respond to this if safety dance ever actually does something other than respond to a prod by saying he's catching up and 36 hours later still doesn't actually do anything.

Anyway I asked him a question, and I'd like to see his answer first.

[kanyeknowsbest]

I still don't like Zdenek.

Quadz testing the waters.

Kanye can die for refusing to answer my question about his take on Benmage.

care 2 clarify whether this is a death 4 policy reasons or alignment reasons?

zed can u answer this. ill answer ur q i ignored if u do

[kanyeknowsbest]

I reeeeeeeally don't like Ceph's last post. "sorry I didn't agree with you guyyyys" doesn't seem terribly townish to me.

i dont think ceph is town but i also think this isnt really that solid a point @ all.

[pirate mollie]

okay I am in mafia love with alfred.

you hit the nail on the head about sd. he said in our qt that he overwhelmed and that he couldn't keep up and in over his head. I think he would feel it even more so with this playerbase.

and you are so town town town town. I am updating the spreadsheet so mac will know.

[macmollie]

okay I am in mafia love with alfred.

you hit the nail on the head about sd. he said in our qt that he overwhelmed and that he couldn't keep up and in over his head. I think he would feel it even more so with this playerbase.

and you are so town town town town. I am updating the spreadsheet so mac will know.

[Tammy]

Mollie - why did him making a reads list make you happy?

And if he mentioned being overwhelmed, what do you make of him not doing anything here?

[Alfred Borden]

Ugh, have to go eat + sleep. There's not a whole lot left though so I will finish catching up and hopefully meta'ing ooba in the morning before I have to go to my friend's.

[macmollie]

Mollie - why did him making a reads list make you happy?

And if he mentioned being overwhelmed, what do you make of him not doing anything here?

has he even been on site? he isn't like goat people who has been posting elsewhere on site whilst ignoring this game.

in the our scum qt I think I talked about not leaving a trail that led to your team. except for his initial rvs vote on a teammate he didn't leave 1 so qwints had a lot space to work with when he subbed in.

iso his posts in that game. his posts were so painful and awkward that I knew at some point I was going to bus him at some point if it so I was really grateful when qwints subbed in. (sorry sd I don't mean to neg on your game I know you tried.)

the list is reassuring cos it leaves a trail. and if even if his scum game has improved and he does flip scum it should be easy to pick apart since newbscum almost always always always unconsciously put their scummates in the middle.

[AGar]

Having half the game in one pile and the other half in another leads literally no trail.

Whatsoever.

It's the next best thing to having no reads in terms of leaving no trail.

Seriously, what the shit?

[macmollie]

Having half the game in one pile and the other half in another leads literally no trail.

Whatsoever.

It's the next best thing to having no reads in terms of leaving no trail.

Seriously, what the shit?

yes. it is. and I even told you why.

but it probably be useful to you cos you are too inexperienced with that particular tool for it to be of any benefit not to mention you are not even open to it.

which I find interesting. town doesn't try to shut other town's scumhunting techniques. and tbh your blatant bullying is getting old.

[macmollie]

*won't be useful to you

[Cephrir]

your blatant bullying is getting old.

The hell are you talking about

[quadz08]

WAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!

I see that as valid logic why Tierce looks scummy.

thor since when have you ever thought any of my logic was valid? name 1 other time in a game that you ever thought that something I said was valid or had anything to do with logic much less have any merit to it? in fact that is the whole reason as to why you always want to pl me and why we fight it is cos you say you can never understand a single thing I say. you're scum aren't you? oh god that is why you have been so civil isn't it?

VOTE: thor

no wonder the game is feeling so off there is a rotten apple trying to worm their way into town's core.

oh

oh my god

you

literally

just said "you don't think I'm a complete moron, therefore you are scum."

M&M is for vigging (or lynching, I wouldn't mind switching to lynching M&M after this post if the Ooba-wagon doesn't end up panning out)

[elleheathen]

@mod - V/la until Sunday.

(Just a heads up in case I don't get a chance to check in) Gameday weekend > all things! <3