Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Faster Than Light]

the only problem that i have with nacho is


andy reads nacho as scum

and i am quite obligated to follow his read considering his expertise

mmm

[Faster Than Light]

I agree that I think Nacho's a poor lynch. I'm unsure if he's scum, and even if he is, then he's only a goon.

Aj's still the better lynch--that's where I want out vote to stay.

Is the board tripping out for anyone? It's all white/grey for me and I can't quote anything.


NS, I can talk to you about my claim. What's up?

[zMuffinMan]

the funny thing about #4508 and #4509 is that they come out of the woodwork to comment on what i said in #4507 and nothing else.

[Nachomamma8]

the funny thing about the nacho wagon is it has none of {desp, aj, bro} on it, and of those three, only bro has expressed interest in it. the other two have been largely non-factors today.

you know, you brought up earlier that you think scum would be jumping all over the chance to lynch me
i don't. i think that they would let the wagon go through on me if they thought they could get away with it. they know that i'm either going to step it up or get lynched, so why stick their necks out before i step it up?

[zMuffinMan]

@AJ,

you have time to make relatively large posts, including posts where you give reads and spend time combing back over your iso to quote yourself, surely you have time to do other stuff.

besides i wasn't asking you to vote nacho, i was pointing out that you've completely avoided commenting on him or the wagon on him.

who are you thinking about voting today?

i don't. i think that they would let the wagon go through on me if they thought they could get away with it. they know that i'm either going to step it up or get lynched, so why stick their necks out before i step it up?

um, because if you're not lynched today, then it's likely AJ will be lynched, so if he is scum and you're town, the choice seems rather clear.

i can maybe understand this point about desp or bro (not so much on bro since he is fully supporting the wagon, even if he isn't voting for some weird as fuck reason so he's still accountable for thinking you're scum if you are town and a lynch goes through on you - and this would actually make him look worse, but whatever), but why do you think aj-scum risks not lynching you-town?

do you think he's just _that_ confident that no one will change their mind about you?

[zMuffinMan]

also, i wasn't talking about when you were at L-1. i was talking about them not even talking about it at all, before it was clear that you'd most likely be lynched unless you did something amazingly town looking.

why do you think AJ and desp avoided talking about your wagon at all today? like, yeah, i get that you think they're scum, cool beans, but this doesn't explain it, and in fact is plain weird if you are town.

also also, i don't believe you think the scum team consists of 5 PRs. if you did, you'd be questioning the existence of both ftl and venmar/antihero's role in this game in a similar fashion to what varsoon did (because he

actually

believes the scum team could consist of 5 PRs)

[zMuffinMan]

why AJ, nacho? at best, he's bulletproof scum. at worst, he could be bulletproof town.

why not, say, Desperado, if you really believe the scum team is full of PRs? he could have an active PR that would, in some way, fuck with town.

[waynegg]

why AJ, nacho? at best, he's bulletproof scum. at worst, he could be bulletproof town.

why not, say, Desperado, if you really believe the scum team is full of PRs? he could have an active PR that would, in some way, fuck with town.

Because AJ is all but confirmed scum and POE will be better tomorrow

VOTE: AJ

[Nachomamma8]

but why do you think aj-scum risks not lynching you-town?

I don't know why AJ wouldn't vote me as scum. Hell, I don't know why he wouldn't vote me as town. Mala-Rach flip scum, I'm the third in the holy trinity, he doesn't jump the fuck down my throat?

also, i wasn't talking about when you were at L-1. i was talking about them not even talking about it at all, before it was clear that you'd most likely be lynched unless you did something amazingly town looking.

I don't think they'd assume they could get me lynched before that point.

desp avoided talking about your wagon at all today?

desperado didn't respond to my request for him to claim; i'm guessing he just didn't read the game.

also also, i don't believe you think the scum team consists of 5 PRs. if you did, you'd be questioning the existence of both ftl and venmar/antihero's role in this game in a similar fashion to what varsoon did (because he actually believes the scum team could consist of 5 PRs)

I don't understand this.

[Nachomamma8]

why AJ, nacho? at best, he's bulletproof scum. at worst, he could be bulletproof town.

i doubt aj's a one-shot bulletproof.

[Nachomamma8]

aj, i noticed you claimed bulletproof as arsonist and also claimed that you were trying to draw a kill through investigative claim
in slenderman where you were ACTUALLY bulletproof you did absolutely nothing of the sort
where were you trying to draw the kill there?

[zMuffinMan]

i doubt aj's a one-shot bulletproof.

why?

[Nachomamma8]

mala roleblocker probably roleblocked the vig
one-shot scum bulletproof to block two-shot vig is pretty stupid.

[zMuffinMan]

no, it's been confirmed that mutley wasn't roleblocked. but why would that even matter?

i was assuming you'd say you thought he was 1-shot bulletproof AND something else, but you think he's full bulletproof?

[zMuffinMan]

o right you don't think he's bulletproof at all?

[Aj The Epic]

@AJ,

you have time to make relatively large posts, including posts where you give reads and spend time combing back over your iso to quote yourself, surely you have time to do other stuff.

besides i wasn't asking you to vote nacho, i was pointing out that you've completely avoided commenting on him or the wagon on him.

who are you thinking about voting today?

As you've alluded to, it's me or nacho today. So the question isn't so much who I plan to vote for, it's whether I believe nacho is scum. Really, my issue is I have too few targets now that Mala, Rach and Nick are gone. Nacho obviously isn't the last scum if he is scum, so where's the last one? Sunday is my first free day, so I plan on reading back through Mala's lynch to see any defenders and see if they had any ties in the Rach lynch. Until then, I'm rather scattered for time (my workload in college is unbelievable).

aj, i noticed you claimed bulletproof as arsonist and also claimed that you were trying to draw a kill through investigative claim
in slenderman where you were ACTUALLY bulletproof you did absolutely nothing of the sort
where were you trying to draw the kill there?

Slenderman was fucked up. Levi was a traitor who's role pm had a town wincon and we never believed him. Yates put through a fake claim early and somehow got away with it the whole game and we started the game with three VI's. The idea that I'd pull something there is weird. In the SK game, the cop claim as BP was meant to take down someone who was guilty reading me and could've easily been fake claiming.

I tried to draw a kill day 1, or did you just ignore that part of the discussion?

[zMuffinMan]

So the question isn't so much who I plan to vote for, it's whether I believe nacho is scum

you were leaning scum on him in your last reads list. what changed?

Really, my issue is I have too few targets now that Mala, Rach and Nick are gone.

how do you have too few targets? you previously believed mala and bro to be scum, and you were leaning scum on desp and nacho. that seems like enough targets.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 4.3

[5] Nachomamma8 (zMuffinMan, Ghostlin, TiphaineDeath, Andrius, Mac)
[3] Aj The Epic (Nachomamma8, Faster Than Light, waynegg)
[1] Antihero (notscience)
[1] Faster Than Light (Desperado)

[3] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, BROseidon, Antihero, Trust Fund)

With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-06 23:00:00)

Antihero was prodded.

[Desperado]

desperado didn't respond to my request for him to claim; i'm guessing he just didn't read the game.

bingo

I'm VT. I haven't talked about your wagon because it doesn't interest me and you promised content, so either you provide it and everyone understands that you are town or you don't, in which case there's nothing I can really do to help you.

@ Muffin: I still don't see what's funny. I saw a comment directed at me that was clearly designed to elicit a response re: Nacho's wagon, so I provided one.

[BROseidon]

You're a strong possibility for scum, several power roles have outted and will be shot over you because they are NOT scumspects, and one of you three clearing yourselves would tell me that something's gone and I could start reanalyzing now as opposed to later.

If I'm a super-strong PR that's a threat to scum, they'll know that I'm potentially a threat that needs to get shot. If I'm a weak PR/Vanilla/negative utility, scum know not to shoot me and push a lynch on me.

If you're so sure that the scumteam is all PRs, wouldn't it make sense to just have FTL investigate me?

[Nachomamma8]

If you're so sure that the scumteam is all PRs, wouldn't it make sense to just have FTL investigate me?

what does this even mean...?

[Antihero]

/procrastination post

[zMuffinMan]

bingo

I'm VT.

nacho asks you to claim so you claim?

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I saw a comment directed at me that was clearly designed to elicit a response re: Nacho's wagon, so I provided one.

nah i just found it funny because immediately after i criticised two players who have done not much of anything in this day phase, they both immediately responded to my post.

maybe it's completely coincidental that you're not reading the game and just happen to like me enough to read my posts. that's kind of sweet.

[Ghostlin]

Ok. After reading what you referenced, I don't agree with it, Nacho.

It is much more likely if FTL is unlimited use, there is probably exactly ONE Goon, if you believe FTL is Town.

[Ghostlin]

Although, if there must be a counterwagon, AJ is a decent one.