Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[Cephrir]

DB has been falling way too fast on my reads list.

VOTE: Daniel Bryan

O RLY?

Ok I've read the game. I like my slot's vote on Rail Tracer right now. His hostility towards answering questions about hydrae drew my attention. That to me screams scum and that he has one of the hydras as his buddy and that his stance will evolve as to how hydras should be treated as the game (and his hydra buddy) progress throughout the game.

HP screams town as fuck to me.

I'm tempted to throw mud here or make a "too town" argument for the purpose of helping that slot survive.

Natirasha, that was either weird scum buddying or very pro town from you regarding which Titus comes out. I'll lean town on that but don't think I didn't notice that.

Sounds of Silence, what did you think was a slip? Why?


That's what I drew from a fast initial read through.

Natirasha comments are most useless thing ever.

Eh, I wouldn't worry too much about this slot surviving.

Yeah, mog's giving me some severe newbtown vibes.

Moving that slot to leaning.

Seriously? How so?

[Natirasha]

Is that comment on me regarding Titus' comment on me or my comments in thread?

[Cephrir]

Titus' comment, sorry, dunno how it became plural

[Cephrir]

What do you think of the lack of any counterwagon?

I'm not interested in any counterwagon right now. All reasons for there not being one are all WIFOM.

I still like my vote on Daniel Bryan. I wish he was here to attempt to change my read, but it looks like he's given up already.

Honestly can't say I like the middle of this. If you were really convinced he was scum (and you should be if you just presented a case) this seems like an odd thing to say.

Just because it's scummy doesn't mean I'm scum.

And according to my earlier posts, I did have reads. Everyone keeps changing though, both through behavior and/or with actual replacements.

Or, you know, it sort of does mean you're scum? "According to my earlier posts I did have reads"? You're kidding right? First of all, that's a gross exaggeration, and more importantly, town don't have to check their earlier posts to remember who they're pretending to suspect. VOTE: Mario

UNVOTE: DB
VOTE: notscience

Your propensity for naked votes is starting to bug me a little.

Thank you for injecting me into the thread before I arrived.

Bwuh? Where are these notscience scumreads coming from at the end of 25? o.o

[Rail Tracer]

thoughts on 715, nati? it kind of irks me that you ignored it.

[Natirasha]

I'm not sure what you want me to address? It presents one version of events. I had you as null mostly because I didn't read your posts when I entered(you were right that I didn't read the thread until pushed later on) and because your aggression was off-putting. Once I got past that, read the thread, and talked about the db case with you, my read shifted to a strong town read.

The db case I was not particularly for at first, but you made me do work and look at it. I made the vote, then he moved to Rail Tracer on a fucking whim and that was really the damning piece for me.

[Cephrir]

Titus for DB's scumbuddy.

Her last post looked very much like "ugh I really really don't want to lynch him so I'll just sit my vote here"

Gonna parrot RT- this is pretty much the first time she's mentioned me. Convenient after the first time I call her out for not mentioning like half the playerlist.

Pfffff. THere are points to be made in this direction but you are not making them.

Rail Tracer's opening is scummh. The refusal to answer questions will almost always irk me unless the questions are pointless and loaded. I don't know where RT stands though. He also asks for reads early on. Bleh. I will put him at a null now but it is a generous null and I will read again in the morning. For now my vote remains as no one screams scum at me.

Yup.

Totally.

You sure showed me.

Ohwait.

Nice try, scumfuck.

This sounds more like scum NS.

@ak,
why is natirasha town? name at least one scum on the DB wagon.

also NAt is town due to this post specifically

Am I talking to Mala or Mantis? Either way I love you. I don't think the ns case will happen before deadline though.

Literally nothing town in that post.

first off NS's post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5294916
he votes Dessew off the bat... but then doesn't even mention him till mid summary. if i was voting someone, i would think they'd be the top mention. here, for him, he''s just a part of the summary - as in, no big deal.
if you look at a lot of his posts, it seems a lot like's he's just asking opinions, mostly... rather that stating them. the only opinion he is vocal on, is Dessew being scum, who again he asks other opinions on.

Confbias much?

I really don't care for people commenting on my playing ability, tyvm.

Now that said-

VOTE: Titus

The end of yesterday looks overinformed as hell to me while also trying to setup a lynch on me. See me yesterday for other reasons.

Actually, "informed" was exactly how I would characterize your play, especially your comments around the Daniel Bryan wagon.

I might take another look at this or you could lay it out for me. Off the top of my head I don't really know what this is.

mala, i'm treating you like a person, just not one worth giving a serious response to.

when you start realising how blatantly obvious it is that i'm town and how off your reads are, we'll talk.

besides, there's nothing in your posts worth commenting on, really. this part i'm not saying in jest. i just couldn't find anything that was really worth discussing in anything you said.

Posts like this irk me a great deal.

Read list incoming.

[Cephrir]

Town: {SoS, RT}
Leaning Town: {Rebel, notscience}
???: {Nati, ak, Prohawk}
Leaning Scum: Brian Skies
Scum: {Titus, Mario}

[Rail Tracer]

@nat,

nah i was more referring to the points about your DB vote and comments in regard to DB. 555 in particular, which stands out as a really bad post.

[Rail Tracer]

@ceph,

why titus? i see no mention of titus outside that one thing you said about the natirasha comment, and i was fairly meh about that one.

[Cephrir]

Wow, you're totally right, I didn't mention him much at all. A large part of it is that FuDuzn was scum and Titus has done roughly nothing.

[Cephrir]

Dessew, your reasoning suggests you are starting from a premise, Titus is scum and working from there. It is normal for reads to change over time.

Ak's read depends on if ns is scum. If db flips town and ns flips scum, that slot will be near conftown.

VOTE: notscience

Will hammer db if needed when I go to bed. NS needs rope though.

There's also this materializing out of nowhere and apparently becoming his top suspect.

[Cephrir]

I must have just almost quoted him several times and decided against it. Bad vibes throughout.

[Rail Tracer]

mm. i thought fuduzn's ate looked sorta genuine, but i didn't like the fact that

all he did

was ate and whine (to the point that the whining was nonsensical) and promise to catch up and post thoughts but never did.

i'm not sure on titus. i didn't like the sudden switch to ns and that still hasn't been explained (despite a few requests to elaborate on why she's reading ns as scum). and her play has been underwhelming.

what are your thoughs on nati? why is he ??? ?

[Rail Tracer]

this game could be as simple as something like nati-titus-mario

which would kind of make sense given the first two's complete lack of stances on the third.

[Natirasha]

What about 555 is bad? I mean, were in agreement that the second part is whatever, but the first part, I think is a case of missed intent--Im unsure how the first statement does not line up with my reads at the time? Moreover, I was providing explanations for DB's question, "why isn't there a counterwagon". Were the two things I provided inaccurate explanations for why a supposed-scum DB wouldn't have a counter wagon on him?

On the last point, I got nothing, I was mostly reiterating the fact that I thought you were town and I was annoyed he just naked voted for you.

To continue to the whole DB case, even upon rereading, I think the following of the DB wagon makes sense. The posts you pointed out specifically, I go from null upon joining, to scum upon reread. Once I reiterate the DB case to you, you even repeat a couple of what I mention back. On the other posts you point out, I see nothing wrong with. Yes, I was parroting you in 522 but I don't see why that is necessarily wrong?

[Rail Tracer]

Were the two things I provided inaccurate explanations for why a supposed-scum DB wouldn't have a counter wagon on him?

who did you think (consider) was scum bussing him and how did this match up with your reads at the time?

[Rail Tracer]

the more i think about it, the less you addressed db in 555 makes sense.

i'm thinking about why you phrased the first part of the first response as a question, and it makes little sense to me from the perspective you're town speaking to someone you think is scum. it makes less sense given your reads at the time. and yes, i'm aware that you were reiterating the fact you thought i was town. that just makes it even more odd.

[Rail Tracer]

it's like, why bother reiterating that? outside of maaaaaaaaaaybe titus who had seemed to drop her suspicion of me at that time, nobody was really calling me scum then, so i can't see it as anything but an attempt at buddying me for no good reason, other than perhaps to get me on your good side (which, ironically, has somewhat backfired).

[Natirasha]

Okay, so that's the disconnect were having, muffin. DB posed a question--why is there not a counter wagon? I provided two explanations. I was speaking the hypothetical there. In any case, if you want my specific reads at the time, I was thinking notscience/DB/Mario. In that situation, notscience I think is completely willing to bus, and the other one was too busy lurking to hell and back(still is) to do anything.

PEDIT: Why reiterate your town? To make sure it was established that I disagreed with the notion that thought you were scum? I think your reading too much into that statement. Is reiteration necessarily a bad thing?

[ProHawk]

Initial Impression is - Flips that Need to Happen:

Rebel - His assurance of Dan being scum was way over the top, unnecessarily and from a point I don't really understand or see.
Brian - Not liking his unfulfilled promises and his opening play was real bad.

There is a lot more detail that I need to articulate on these two, but don't have the energy to do so tonight.

VOTE: RebelWithoutaPulse

[Cephrir]

what are your thoughs on nati? why is he ??? ?

I think that will always be the case. I don't think I've ever seen Nati make a post in any game that made me feel one way or the other about him.

[Natirasha]

Admittedly, that is the effect I go for--diplomatic, alignment neutral play.

I still have a town leaning on Skies, but his disappearance even while being active on other parts of the site is weird.

[Rail Tracer]

There is a lot more detail that I need to articulate on these two

indeed, and when you do, be sure to articulate on the details of your other reads.

I think that will always be the case.

how do you decide when to lynch him?

[Cephrir]

I think that will always be the case.

how do you decide when to lynch him?

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