Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[Tammy]

I was thinking about this avenue last night. Lynching quints will confirm Mara whereas lynching Mara will kill both of them and if they're town and poisoned someone last night were looking at an auto loss. Though if quints is scum then so is Mara and she can be lynched tomorrow because then we'd be assured of no night kill right?

Also, I'm still really bugged by baldeagle replacing out. I was playing with him in another game at the same time and he came under a lot of suspicion and took it rather well. Why replace out if you are confirmed town? I feel like I'm dwelling on this a bit but yeah.

[Bert]

Vote: qwints

What changed your mind, because yesterday you spent the day saying I (and generic) was talking crazy talk with my suspicions about Mara/qwints?

[Bert]

Also, I'm still really bugged by baldeagle replacing out. I was playing with him in another game at the same time and he came under a lot of suspicion and took it rather well. Why replace out if you are confirmed town? I feel like I'm dwelling on this a bit but yeah.

He takes it pretty well regardless of alignment, and with a pretty good attitude.

[Tammy]

Nacho I'm town this game, you've been really off about me lately

I'm drained from playing scum so much lately, like I need a break from this madness

are you finally believing me that qwints and mara are 3rd party aka scum?

Please tell me you didn't.

She did, because she first told us on Day 4 that she wouldn't poison anyone, and then later she said she would. And Tammy, you asked her why she changed her mind about poisoning someone.

Where did the nacho suspecting you stuff come from?

Yeah, hopefully she'll answer that question.

[Nachomamma8]

are you finally believing me that qwints and mara are 3rd party aka scum?

No. But if we lynch qwints today, it will confirm mara and won't end the game.
I'm currently suspicious of Empire and I'm waiting for Tammy to look back over him.

[Nachomamma8]

it will confirm mara and won't end the game.

...and if those two are scum and we lynch someone else, there's a possibility we will be endgamed.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho I'm town this game, you've been really off about me lately

?
where have i suspected you this game?

[Bert]

Where did the nacho suspecting you stuff come from?

Oh, Nacho is Marangal-level paranoid about me now.

Comes from 231 after Day 1 of Micro 231, and then I changed my playstyle after Castle ended during Night 1 of that 231 game, and so Nacho's probably going to come out and say

"BERT YOU JUST SCUMCLAIMED" So far, he's voting qwints though, so maybe he's not as paranoid now. And Mara read me wrong in that game again. So expect some pressure on me.

[Bert]

Nacho I'm town this game, you've been really off about me lately

?
where have i suspected you this game?

You said you think I'm town, but that you would like to firm up your read on me. (day 4)

Oh, and go back to Day 3, when you spent some time asking me a ton of questions and telling me to get serious, and then telling me when you'd like to lynch me, and how suspicious I am

???

[Bert]

Don't mind me, I think I'm frustrated, Nacho do you remember Newbie 1391

this feels like that?

6 nights of no-kills?

[Bert]

with this vote at hand
I place my vote without tact
Oh qwints please do die

Vote: qwints

<3

[Empire]

are you finally believing me that qwints and mara are 3rd party aka scum?

No. But if we lynch qwints today, it will confirm mara and won't end the game.
I'm currently suspicious of Empire and I'm waiting for Tammy to look back over him.

Go fuck yourself it you think I would intentionally NK as scum repeatedly while keeping the one player who could read me better than literally anyone else on the site alive for several day phases.

Never have I been more angry and have felt more demotivated over a game of mafia as town. Part of me just wants to proxy my vote to Tammy and just prod dodge for the rest of it but I'm trying to retain whatever dignity I have as a town player. It took all if my restraint to not blow up at Marangal for poisoning the one non PR I felt comfortable having as town.

I've been drinking and I'm at a party so ill post more tonight or tomorrow when I'm sober. Can you please actually not wuicklynch this time for the love of god? Thanks.

[Bert]

Hey Empire!

OK I'm gonna leave this thread for tonight because for the last 24 hours, I've been a grumpy old (young) fart! Chalk it up to trying to catch up with too many things on campus.

SCUM you will feel my wrath once we find you!!!!!!!!!

[Empire]

Actually it might be auto win if we lynch qwints.

I'm kind of drunk right now but if we lynch him and he is town, we'll have 5 alive (4 alive if the scum decide to kill Tammy). We can have Mara poison one of Nacho/Bert and lynch the other.

Well it is auto win only if you have me endgame but I'm obvious town anyway and I will strong arm the fuck out of this plan so deal with it.

[Ms Marangal]

And, If, for some insane reason both Matt and Generic end up town, I'm not going to poison tonight.

If matt isn't getting lynched today, he's getting poisoned tonight

that is the exact content of my posts. I stated that I wouldn't poison tonight if both of Matt and Generic some how ended up town, that was under the assumption that Matt was going to be lynched that day. If he wasn't I was going to poison him

I'm going to go, and leave, and play pokemon and wait till whoever is town figures out that it really is impossible for qwints and I to be scum

[Tammy]

I think if you looked at it objectively, you'd see why this plan makes sense and you wouldn't be so dismissive.

I mean look, there have been no night kills since night one. I doubt very seriously that I am stopping them each night.

So, if I'm not, the options are:

Scum are no killing
Scum don't have a kill
Scum are wiped out and you guys are third party.

I refuse to believe scum don't have a kill if you do.

We have no way of knowing which of the three are correct. Lynching quints is our best chance to verify your alignment so that we have a chance to win this.

I think if you were town you'd see this. It's a practical plan. If quints comes back town then it's definitely not you and then scum is withholding for some reason.

[Bert]

Guess who slept like a dog last night

<---------this guy

OK so #2340 is so on the money. If I could 'like' that post, I would.

that is the exact content of my posts. I stated that I wouldn't poison tonight if both of Matt and Generic some how ended up town, that was under the assumption that Matt was going to be lynched that day. If he wasn't I was going to poison him

I'm going to go, and leave, and play pokemon and wait till whoever is town figures out that it really is impossible for qwints and I to be scum

So....need a definite yes/no as to whether you poisoned someone last night. Not "this is what I stated yesterday." That will not suffice.

Also, it is not impossible for you two to be scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Don't mind me, I think I'm frustrated, Nacho do you remember Newbie 1391

this feels like that?

6 nights of no-kills?

yeah i do
it doesn't feel like that because i'm not scum and there's not scum who we need to lynch because it would be stupid for us not to

TAMMY
please reaffirm empire read for me before i try to go reading him myself

[Nachomamma8]

please. i trust you and bert because i know your scumgames and i know your towngames but empire's scumgame is not a thing so i'm a bit afraid. if qwints flips town, i'm probably gonna go rambo on empire tomorrow. you are the only one who can stop me.

[Nachomamma8]

Go fuck yourself it you think I would intentionally NK as scum repeatedly while keeping the one player who could read me better than literally anyone else on the site alive for several day phases.

if qwints flips scum, then everything's gonna be okay.
if qwints doesn't flip scum then your scumgame is the only wildcard.
someone would be continuously no killing like an absolute crackhead and that crackhead ISN'T me?
not tammy
not bert
you are absolutely all that's left.

marangal's reaction was weird, though.

[Empire]

Really Nacho? You unironically think I, who has only been scum twice on the forums and whose last completed scum games were a year ago, did the following things:

a) no killed repeatedly
b) kept the one player who can read me better than anyone else on the forums alive for 5 Day phases
c) all the while suggesting autowin gameplans that, if followed, would put me in autoloss if I were scum

...all in a high risk, complicated gambit to make myself appear more town.

[Empire]

Like, do you realize how unbelievably retarded you'd have to be to think there is any chance of me being scum in this game?

[Nachomamma8]

Really Nacho? You unironically think I, who has only been scum twice on the forums and whose last completed scum games were a year ago, did the following things:

a) no killed repeatedly
b) kept the one player who can read me better than anyone else on the forums alive for 5 Day phases
c) all the while suggesting autowin gameplans that, if followed, would put me in autoloss if I were scum

...all in a high risk, complicated gambit to make myself appear more town.

not really, no.
do you think tammy/bert is more likely to do those three things?

[Empire]

Trying to crunch through some worst case scenario numbers here:

Scenario #1 (qwints is town, the mafia suddenly decide to NK Tammy):
Marangal, Bert, Empire, Nacho (poison/lynch Nacho/Bert)
Marangal, Empire endgame

Scenario #2 (qwints is town, the mafia no kill again):
Marangal, Tammy, Empire, Bert, Nacho (poison/lynch Nacho/Bert)
Marangal, Tammy, Empire endgame

So from the way it looks here, it's basically town autowin fmpov unless:
1) Tammy is mafia (lmfao)
2) Something interferes with Marangal's poison that makes us unable to go through 2 people in the next Day phase (possible but unlikely given a lot of reasons - let me know if you want me to share them)

P-edit: Tammy definitely wouldn't. I don't know anything about Bert's scum game so *shrug*

And if you

really

think I'm capable of doing anything other than being a lurky/prod dodgy turd monger as scum, go ahead and read the two scum games I have and cringe at them.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't know anything about Bert's scum game so *shrug*

answer:
FUCK NO
FUCK FUCK FUCK NO