Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[Natirasha]

Well, I've done everything I can to defend myself from RT. So be it.

My vote does not change, although I can easily be convinced of a Mario vote.

Edit: Well, La dee fucking da.

[artemiskitty]

not an NS one anymore, Nat?

[Rail Tracer]

i think brian skies is town. remind me to talk about why #811 was almost certainly a town post at some point later on today.

maybe tomorrow, if i'm still alive. it's not important to day if he's not being run up.

[Natirasha]

Him? I distinctly said my vote has yet to change, I'm 100% for ns. I'm just saying that if were lynching Mario, I support it and will help out.

[artemiskitty]

i think brian skies is town. remind me to talk about why #811 was almost certainly a town post at some point later on today.

maybe tomorrow, if i'm still alive. it's not important to day if he's not being run up.

ya but. that's no good. there are quite a few people who think he's scummy (i don't). so if you have a case for him being town... it might help change minds of those who think he is scummy.

[artemiskitty]

Him? I distinctly said my vote has yet to change, I'm 100% for ns. I'm just saying that if were lynching Mario, I support it and will help out.

i can't see you being lynched for sure today, just because RT is convinced you are scum.

[artemiskitty]

so far i'm thinking NS, and next i'm wary on is Cephir. i did not like HP's tendency to just ask questions... and what seemed to be flinging mud in a small way, on just about nearly everyone.

[Rail Tracer]

it might help change minds of those who think he is scummy.

ok. and if he gets run up, then i will. otherwise, i don't really care who finds him "scummy" today.

[artemiskitty]

i will have to chat with mala as well, to see. she mentioned to me that she thought titus's post here, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5345478 seemed like a townish post. aTe

[Natirasha]

What? 880 made no sense in context, ak.

[artemiskitty]

What? 880 made no sense in context, ak.

i know i realized that after.

i actually had that in my mind to say to you, in response to your 875. you sounded defeated :p

[artemiskitty]

it might help change minds of those who think he is scummy.

ok. and if he gets run up, then i will. otherwise, i don't really care who finds him "scummy" today.

but if you think he is very much town... shouldn't you be concerned with *who* is scum reading him? ie - possible scum "scum reading" him

[Rail Tracer]

yeah, and in that sense it's better that i

don't

talk about why i think he's town and let them continue attacking him. do you think i'm unable to monitor that?

[Brian Skies]

Mario's Day 1 activity is scummy, but I still think it's just regular apathy. End of Day 1 just looks like lost town, and I would know (speaking from experience).

it was mario's first post that i liked. it read like he was just speaking whatever came to his mind (he apologized at one point in it, for being disjointed) -- which, i would imagine to come from more of a town perspective. and i kinda liked what seemed to be certainty on his part, with his HC vote.

What did you think of his later posts?

i dunno, it was fuz's appeal to emotion. it just read as very town. i've played one game with fuz when he was town. so i'll skim that old game again, to see or confirm.

Do you think it could be frustrated scum?

[artemiskitty]

yeah, and in that sense it's better that i

don't

talk about why i think he's town and let them continue attacking him. do you think i'm unable to monitor that?

lol

i didn't think of that, until you just said.

but if you're dead... then uh... your thoughts will go unsaid.

[Rail Tracer]

my thoughts aren't that important that it matters if they go unsaid. i think he's town, if i'm dead tomorrow and others disagree, or don't understand why i thought he's town, then so be it. i'm obviously not infallible so i could even be wrong in my reasoning, anyway.

[artemiskitty]

Mario's Day 1 activity is scummy, but I still think it's just regular apathy. End of Day 1 just looks like lost town, and I would know (speaking from experience).

it was mario's first post that i liked. it read like he was just speaking whatever came to his mind (he apologized at one point in it, for being disjointed) -- which, i would imagine to come from more of a town perspective. and i kinda liked what seemed to be certainty on his part, with his HC vote.

What did you think of his later posts?

see that's the thing... i actually haven't read much of his later stuff. i'll do that now, and get back to u

i dunno, it was fuz's appeal to emotion. it just read as very town. i've played one game with fuz when he was town. so i'll skim that old game again, to see or confirm.

Do you think it could be frustrated scum?

i don't *really* think so
the only thing that actually did bug me a bit, with titus, was her take that Prohawk was town. because i'm not really seeing that with his posts, right now. not thinking he is scum... but nothing saying town enough to put him in the town pile.

[artemiskitty]

ya, brian - there's not nearly enough from Mario. but the one big post he DID do... i liked.
maybe his replacement will be able to fix that. i'm happy he did replace out so that we can have a better read of the slot.

[Sound of Silence]

hai ak. Wanna talk?

[artemiskitty]

sure, whaddaya want to talk about?
(it's mantis posting)

[Sound of Silence]

What are you thinking about Nati?

(I know)

[notscience]

THE TITUS CASE

Spoiler: Long

Now with Color!

Ok I've read the game. I like my slot's vote on Rail Tracer right now. His hostility towards answering questions about hydrae drew my attention. That to me screams scum and that he has one of the hydras as his buddy and that his stance will evolve as to how hydras should be treated as the game (and his hydra buddy) progress throughout the game.

HP screams town as fuck to me. I'm tempted to throw mud here or make a "too town" argument for the purpose of helping that slot survive.

Natirasha, that was either weird scum buddying or very pro town from you regarding which Titus comes out. I'll lean town on that but don't think I didn't notice that.

Sounds of Silence, what did you think was a slip? Why?


That's what I drew from a fast initial read through.

Initial comments, 3 reads, only one of which is scum.

Frankly, if I didn't comment on something awhile back, it did not stick out to me in the thread during my initial read.

I will reread again and go into detail on RT and DB.

SoS, I was looking at post 255. If you didn't think Rebel slipped, why did you vote for the slot?

Exhibit A- Fluff. Also, note the first line. Nothing else to comment on, other than 3 reads? Really?

I got a blind sheep. I am not liking that.

Fluff without making any other assertions about the alignment of said sheep.

Ok. I looked through DB's ISO and I don't like what I see. I am willing to hammer if the need arises but the lack of another train is bothering me. Either db was obvscum and the fellow scum are distancing or not wanting to start trains OR db is having a poor town game.

Rail Tracer's opening is scummh. The refusal to answer questions will almost always irk me unless the questions are pointless and loaded. I don't know where RT stands though. He also asks for reads early on. Bleh. I will put him at a null now but it is a generous null and I will read again in the morning. For now my vote remains as no one screams scum at me.

No scumreads? lololol. In here, Titus basically said that the RT scumread was PL-ish (oh that just annoys me). Here, Titus asserts something I already said, as well as say noone screams scum to her (while also saying she'll hammer DB).

I'm confused.

I can't make heads or tails of any reads in this game, no matter how much I try to reread. It's annoying.

Gun to your head. Name one town player and one scum player.

You mean like you've done- Oh wait! You only have 2 non-null reads at this point, and neither of them is a scumread!

Ok. I looked through DB's ISO and I don't like what I see. I am willing to hammer if the need arises but the lack of another train is bothering me. Either db was obvscum and the fellow scum are distancing or not wanting to start trains OR db is having a poor town game.

Rail Tracer's opening is scummh. The refusal to answer questions will almost always irk me unless the questions are pointless and loaded. I don't know where RT stands though. He also asks for reads early on. Bleh. I will put him at a null now but it is a generous null and I will read again in the morning. For now my vote remains as no one screams scum at me.

RT has zmuffin somewhere among the heads

Also, what strikes you as pointless and loaded may not correspond all that well to what someone else considers pointless and loaded, especially someone named zmuffin.

RT is one of my stronger town reads.

I don't really care who is the head of a hydra. I try to treat all players the same unless I know how to communicate with them. Somethings off about that slot to me. I'll figure it out later if I am right but for now my vote stays.

"somethings off"- most overused Scum fakeread excuse 2013.

I don't really care who is the head of a hydra. I try to treat all players the same unless I know how to communicate with them. Somethings off about that slot to me. I'll figure it out later if I am right but for now my vote stays.

This comment bothers me. I've been mulling it over ever since I first read it. I'm trying to see it in the context of Titus' style of play which is kind of personality-blind, but as an actual intentional strategy it seems wrongheaded in a few dozen ways.

I get the general strategy, personality independence as a bad strategy. It works for me usually. That doesn't mean I ignore history and what players know. I just try to be objective in all observations. Buddying me happens very rarely from those who play with me a lot for this reason.

I focus more on telling me what specific read is wrong and why rather than my strategy as a whole. WE can argue strategy or we can argue who is scum.

@Brian, were you saying Rebel misrepped DB?

Weird, I don't see you arguing anyone to be scum.

The above post appears to be a joke.

Will post something of substance later tonight.

This looks like a forced attempt for towncred. Like really.

You're dead, your vote does not count.

omg... i cannot believe you modkilled him for something like th-

The above post appears to be a joke.

oh, now i see what's going on.

jeez, had me fooled for a moment.

That is exactly why I posted the post above. I actually thought RT was dead a moment too. Given RT's reaction mirrored mine, I'd likely suspect he's town. He could have faked this (unlikely) but for now I'll move RT into nulltown.


That post was not fluff. I said more substantive content later but I intended that post to be helpful.

Responds to fluff accusation, vote is still on someone she has as nulltown (woo, that's 2.5 non-null reads and still no scum reads!)

SoS, I've had my concerns just because of the lack of a counterwagon but I don't have any problems with those voting DB. His reaction to my suggestion RT might be scum because of my gut feeling immediately caused a vote. Given we haven't played together, he shouldn't be sheeping my gut. DB also hasn't put up much of a defense himself. There's enough there to warrant hammering

back up intent to hammer

, I just was concerned because it was too easy.

I haven't played a lot with Fu. Usually I end up replacing into games he was in and left. I'll give you my playstyle in a nutshell. Look at the facts. See what is good and see what isn't. If I see something as off, I say something, even if I'm not sure what's causing me to feel that way. If I cannot get proof or disproof of what I'm feeling, I push it. I was just saying that RT felt off. Why are you supposing that DB and I this overarching plan? This makes me wonder whether you know that DB might flip scum and you're positioning my lynch in the event DB does flip scum.

Mario, you're willing to hammer a slot you haven't read and aren't sure is scummy? What the fuck?

Here, says she'll hammer DB and that she's fine with hammering him

NS, 1) I have not been fluffy. 2) My play has been the opposite of Amished. Fu voted rt. I liked the vote there. 3) I am not ignoring half the players.

I am down for an ns train. I still will hammer db if needed but I like ns scum too.

1 and 3 are both lies, and in this post she tries to setup a mislynch on me. Also no longer wants to hammer someone that a few posts ago "I'm fine to hammer" and wants to start pushing someone else

Dessew, your reasoning suggests you are starting from a premise, Titus is scum and working from there. It is normal for reads to change over time.

Ak's read depends on if ns is scum. If db flips town and ns flips scum, that slot will be near conftown.

VOTE: notscience

Will hammer db if needed when I go to bed. NS needs rope though.

Says I need rope without the slightest bit of pressure on my slot? Seems legit.

Her last post looked very much like "ugh I really really don't want to lynch him so I'll just sit my vote here"

eh, considering she said she'd hammer DB later, i don't really see this.

that said, i don't really understand the vote, since it's not like people are just gonna go, "oh fuck, yeah, totally see the light, let's disband the DB wagon!"

I am a stubborn bitch. I will pursue who I want lynched to hell or high water but lynch who I feel the need to when the time comes.

That's weird, she hasn't done this ALL GAME!

It's now. I am pushing NS to be lynched.

I have pushed to figure out RT's alignment and further draw attention to RT, NS. Please stop with the misreps. My fingers are tired of typing that word.

So now she has a scumread within days of a lynch?

@NS, my first substantive post and 513.

SoS, maybe some of the lurkers will vote ns. If no one votes him in an hour or so, I will resign to hammering db.

Why would she need lurkers to vote me? Because she can't convince the people who actually read the thread.

Yes that is me trying to figure out rt. Not to mention I have been in the game all of a day or two ns. Your argument is looking more like a strawman.

This is a lie and I've already covered that.

SoS, NS is "strawmanning" his allegation that I am not scumhunting. I point out where I was. He laughs it off. He's expecting something much deeper and inconsistent with gameplay on day one, especially from someone who just replaced in, or he's totally just rejecting anything I respond to his questions.

Here is just making excuses and trying to discredit all wrapped in one.

I'll take your word on those games. The biggest thing is all of those are nine player games. This has a lot more players to read, dynamics to interpret and posts to analyze. I'm thinking NS won't be satisified unless I put a huge wall with all the reasons that RT was scum. It's too early for that. No one has the content level for that, because it is day 1. I've just now gotten to the point where I have a major suspect, NS and I can push that tomorrow, because let's face it I'm not getting an NS lynch.

Again, all of your newbie games were very long with a lot of time and posts to figure things out. I'm not really having either so the comparison is apples to oranges, completely.

Here she basically ADMITS she wants to push me tomorrow and is trying to set up my lynch.

That's the point it's you. On Day 1, I find it impossible to be certain who is scum unless someone slips or fabricates a case out of thin air (like ns is doing). NS's case is that I'm not scumhunting is total bullshit. I don't have to be confident my suspects are scum in order to scumhunt. Day 1 to me is about laying the ground work, seeing who does what, and observing behavior. Generally, it is not ZOMG this person is so scum and I am so sure of it.

Hey look, more discredits and lies! There has been literally 0 scumhunting from Titus and yet she insists she has been all game.

Hammering in an hour and a half as I have a very full schedule tomorrow. Get your questions in now.

Fluff

VOTE: Daniel Bryan

Hammer.

i highly doubt dessew was perceived as a threat because of his suspicions. more likely PR hunting or something.

anyway, my pool of suspects today is {mario, mogamma, natirasha}. outside chance at titus and maaaaaaybe ns if someone can convince me, but these three i feel are most likely scum.

general question for anyone to answer: where's the scum on this wagon?

Daniel Bryan (7): Rebel Without a Pulse, Rail Tracer. Brian Skies, Sound of Silence, Natirasha, Dessew, Titus (LYNCH)

I can say though this post pinged a lot.

So you want people to answer this without answering it yourself. Seems like you are trying to see what people say in order to use that in the future for your benefit.

Your top three scum suspects are not

even

on this wagon so why are you asking others to answer it when you barely believe it yourself? You only stated Titus with hesitation, I might add.

Then you drill our slot to answer it after others ignored it.

I really like this post. I minimally read the opening of Day 2 but this post stood out. I usually suspect those who push questions that they don't answer.

Plus, I am surprised at the allegations of my coasting an being scum. My play has allowed for a lo of content, really at the end of day 1. The sudden switch by people suggests that NS really was scum and I am being setup. SoS's FoS is the only one that seems genuine.

VOTE: notscience

shocker, voting me D2! I wonder how I knew she'd do that! And she just admitted to coasting when she was adamant she was doing things yesterday. It's scum trying to pass off all the shit they're doing and appease us for fucks sakes.

This should be alarming. I read this and no less than three people have my slot as PoE scum. It is too damn early for PoE scum as we don't even have a flip. Is hat the best people do? Use your brains. That's a scum pushed train. Only scum have enough information to do a PoE right now.

As for ns, his slot is obvscum to me. I really don't understand how anyone reads him as town. His accusations at the end of the day were shit about not scumhunting despite attempting to get as much inormation as I could.

Cephir, you have a section on 777 regarding me and Natirasha. I didn't understand that point. You also have me as PoE scum but most of the things you hav from my slot suggest town.

Rail Tracer, why are you pressing so much on read fishing. I don't like that.

I like AK and ProHawk as town(not sure who he replaced but his posts seem town). I can see BS as scum with RT. I am near certain NS is scum. SoS is an uncomfortable null read. I will need to figure out that slot fast.

Look, we finally get reads! And lets look at these reads- I'm obvscum for pointing out why TItus is scum

AK and ProHawk are town to her!

And that's it.

Now, why is Titus scum?

1) Sitting through D1 with only 2.5 non-null reads until DAYS before the deadline where she tries to setup today's lynch on me

2) Fluffing incessantly while being adamant she's not(scum trying to look busy)

3) Contradicting herself by saying she's scumhunting and not fluffing and then admitting to coasting D2 in an attempt to appease.(scum trying not to let their lies blow up in their face)

4) Says she'll push scumreads, which conveniently haven't popped up until the near end of D1. She hasn't pushed people, she hasn't tried to "sort" anyone except RT.(because she already knows the scumteam...)

5) She's attempting to lynch me on the premise I called her out to be scum (which is where her initial scumread- HER ONLY STRONG SCUMREAD) came from.

[notscience]

Bah I had a bold tag in there crap

[artemiskitty]

What are you thinking about Nati?

(I know)

i do think he is town.

RT - brought up some good points, about him saying that he had HP as town... but yet, still put him in the 'need to hear from pile' as opposed to his town pile.. way back when.

but i think Nat's posts come across as genuine.. and like i said, his 875 kinda sounds like defeated town.. the whole "so be it"

it is definitely helping that he's got NS as scum. because i very much think NS is scum. if i'm wrong on that... i will have to re-adjust. but another reason i have Titus as town, is his take on NS as obvscum, as well... that combined with the fact of fuz's aTe.

what are your thoughts on Nat? you've been kinda back and forth/unsure?

[Natirasha]

Ooh, the girls are talking about me again! God, if only I was still in High School!