A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Tammy]

We can vote if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
Cuz your friends aren't town and if they aren't town
Well they're no friends of mine

VOTE: safetydance

[Tammy]

First thing firsts looking at recent VC and 3 days to go ~ I am happy to join the Thor wagon, I agree with Benmage's 518 and D1 is the only optimal time to do so.

Vote: Thor665

Your first spat of posts come after Benmages post, why didn't you agree with it and get on that wagon then?

Also, are you just not reading the game full stop or actively ignoring the questions people are asking you?

[Tammy]

whee it's the weekend

i'm here
I fucking LOVE our position on the ooba wagon though
2nd vote
man that's sweet
so probably not moving the vote
(also he struck me as scum so)

Going to selectively read because I'm a lazy asshole and I don't like reading ~40? pages of shit i haven't read. ANything important I should make sure to read?

Please read shadoweh?

[Eddard Stark]

Day 1, Vc 42

PrideandJoy (1) -

Amrun

ooba (7) -

quadz08, PrideandJoy, AGar, Shadoweh, Tierce, StupendousMan, Goat on a Raft

Thor665 (6) -

elleheathen, kanyeknowsbest, Benmage, Nautilius, macmollie, SafetyDance

Goat on a Raft (1) -

displaced

Zdenek (1) -

Messiah Complex

Garruk Relentless (1) -

ooba

Amrun (2) -

Thor665, Zdenek

SafetyDance (5) -

Alfred Borden, Syryana, Garruk Relentless, Cephrir, Tammyt

Not voting (0)-

NOPE

With 24 alive it takes 13 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 1st of October at 17:05 EDT
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-10-01 17:05:01)
  
• Thor and ooba are V/la. macmollie is V/la. elleheathen is V/la.

[Tammy]

Not in quite that fashion, no.

I'm not saying it makes you scum, only that it puzzles me.

In what fashion do you mean?

[Cephrir]

Not in quite that fashion, no.

I'm not saying it makes you scum, only that it puzzles me.

In what fashion do you mean?

I've seen "I think X is scum", "No he's totally town".

Not so much "here's a reasonably well thought out case on why X is scum", "No he's totally town". It's kinda like... are you even talking to each other?

[Cephrir]

Hydra trajectory on Garruk:

1) post 637 (clearly a concerted effort) has FF scumreading a ton of Garruk posts. Desp's only note on Garruk is a negative one.
2) post 999 has Garruk in a "consolidated lynch pool" and mentions Desp will leave the case building to FF
3) FF builds case
4) seemingly out of nowhere, Desp doesn't agree with the case, even though to all indications before this post, we would expect the contrary.

It's just bizarre.

[Tierce]

Actual post in a few hours.

[Shadoweh]

I could never leave my friends behind!

##Vote: SafetyDance

I think it'll be pretty obvious when Dan actually reads me. I can tell that half of PnJ hasn't yet :V Are you lurk scum Dan?

[displaced]

Agar I dont agree but obviously Im in a minority there ... if he isnt gonna be able to garner suppport for a null read then obv he isnt gonna be able to do the same for a town read (no matter how weak ) either. I just dont think with 5 days left on the clock you should support whateverwagon just because flip hungry. Im also thinking goat is maybe avoiding confrontation with thor, which jangles also

VOTE: safetydance

i can get behind this

[macmollie]

SafetyDance is a good vote.
VOTE: SafetyDance

We can do better than Ooba.

you literally just did a metadive (and it was very good too) in which you came up with him as town. can you explain plz?

[Tammy]

^other head

[Tammy]

Not in quite that fashion, no.

I'm not saying it makes you scum, only that it puzzles me.

In what fashion do you mean?

I've seen "I think X is scum", "No he's totally town".

Not so much "here's a reasonably well thought out case on why X is scum", "No he's totally town". It's kinda like... are you even talking to each other?

Ah okay, that makes sense. I was kinda confused.

[kanyeknowsbest]

what if you guys lynched thor instead.

[Thor665]

I agree that the Ooba wagon is horrible.
So...which counterwagon should I be supporting then? The one on me? The one I openly disagree with on Stupendous? The kinda mushy Messiah one? Or should I start a wagon I like?

What do you mean 'Messiah' one - there isnt a vote on him? What about Garruk?

There was one, and the Garruk one didn't appear until after the timeframe he's taking exception with.

Ok this is the main communication breakdown. I didn't take your post as asking me for an alternate, instead rather asking me to consider Amrun/Ceph (I got to the Amrun read... I'm eh about her. The V/LA makes it hard because there isn't much to work with. And Ceph has given me a big ol' "eh" feeling too with his recent posts. I could go either way on them right now). But uh, my first real post of the game said I'd also be happy lynching macmollie.

Well, you asked me to name a lynch option other than the two I was pressing or the one you were based on the logic that it 'wasn't lynchbait worthy' to lynch the two I wante to lynch, which is a pretty weak reason for me to come up with a third scumread for you in a game where people have been openly discussing issues in getting scumreads.
Also, I never asked you specifically, but if you wanted a compromise, why not offer one when I said I didn't have any?
I don't want to lynch Mollie today.
I wouldn't mind her being shot to death overnight, but I don't want to lynch her.
I'd rather Displaced were shot though - especially for him having issue with me saying he should be. Like, seriously, he thinks his contributions in thread are up to snuff at this stage? He needs death badly.

Said the guy who wouldn't read the thread.

I'm very honest about what I do or don't read, and I announce it so people are aware, i don't wait 40 pages and then indicate I haven't read Post 1 from a given player.
I'll note no one has suggested I missed anything yet, so I still think my value call there was worthwhile.

This argument is fairly town.

Says the guy not voting Amrun.

You don't seem like the type to be this passive. You don't like the ooba wagon and the current counterwagon is you, so you deduce that there's nothing you can do?

Wasn't aware I claimed that.
I did claim I wouldn't vote the Ooba wagon though...so...?

Try to start a counterwagon.

Yeah, crazy thought that.
Vote Amrun?

It's clear there isn't a ton of interest in your top choices, so pick someone else.

I pick people that are scummy, not people that are easy to run wagons on.

I'm assuming blded refers to your attempt to start a wagon on Amrun. I haven't been paying a ton of attention to your posts but I don't see what's not to like about that.

Nor do I, but people refuse to vote it.

First thing firsts looking at recent VC and 3 days to go ~ I am happy to join the Thor wagon, I agree with Benmage's 518 and D1 is the only optimal time to do so.

I'll be willing to Mjolnir you if it comes to that.

There's way more to Thor, than Policy Lynching him for Miller.

A)Miller claim
B) His auto-town assertion in his claim
C) His bullSmurfing well into the game about his claim verse being open and truth full.. we're the uniformed, we cant be playing games.
D) His repetitive deflection
E) Fence-sitting/lining up lynches.

Its a great D1 lynch if you ask me. Wayyy to many question marks surrounding that slot.

There's way more to Thor than policy lunching hm for Miller claim;

A) There's Policy Lynching him for Miller claim.
B) There's that he thought his claim was obviously pro-town and said so - the scummy bastich!
C) There's the Casso, King of the Seals nameclaim which me and one other person bought, and other people immediately told us was fake, but Thor didn't until later, and that is anti-town to make me look silly, and obviouslly served a scum agenda of distracting people...namely just me and, like, Ceph(?) I dunno, whoever else bought it.
D) His deflection...of...stuff...I'm guessing the nameclaim? I dunno.
E) Him pseudo bussing his buddy, but I won't vote the buddy, even though that's the only way this is scumplay.

Yep.
Amazing case.

[Cephrir]

Let me know when you can see anything whatsoever. Your ego seems to be taking up your entire field of vision.

[quadz08]

I LEAVE FOR LIKE 36 HOURS AND THE OOBA WAGON BREAKS IN HALF WHAT THE HELL GUYS

If we aren't lynching Ooba today (which we should) I'd like to go for Macmollie instead. I understand the SD wagon (readslist post as discussed with me earlier stands out in particular), but I feel that there are better choices.

Another option I'd be down for is displaced, for pure uselessness. I'm less attached to that right now than Ooba or mac, though, simply because I want to see what his play looks like after he's made more than like 3 posts.

[macmollie]

do you actually have a reason mr. quadzypants or are you just slinging mud and see what sticks?

[quadz08]

I assume you're asking about my read on you, so I'll answer accordingly.

Yes, I do have a reason. See this post for exhibit A.

[Benmage]

Tammy tammy tammy.. smh... When you gonna evolve past low hanging fruit for D1?

You're better than this.

[displaced]

I'd rather Displaced were shot though - especially for him having issue with me saying he should be.

rich given you self admittedly need death at some point but what should i be like "yes kill me quick pplease thanks"

[PrideandJoy]

whee it's the weekend

i'm here
I fucking LOVE our position on the ooba wagon though
2nd vote
man that's sweet
so probably not moving the vote
(also he struck me as scum so)

Going to selectively read because I'm a lazy asshole and I don't like reading ~40? pages of shit i haven't read. ANything important I should make sure to read?

Please read shadoweh?

That was the other head (Chesskid) but I'll make this day a priority and give some kind of assessment on some players. I suppose the priority since 2 days left is to read up on the 3 wagonned people. will do. will take time.

[macmollie]

WAAAAAAIT A MINUTE!!!

I see that as valid logic why Tierce looks scummy.

thor since when have you ever thought any of my logic was valid? name 1 other time in a game that you ever thought that something I said was valid or had anything to do with logic much less have any merit to it? in fact that is the whole reason as to why you always want to pl me and why we fight it is cos you say you can never understand a single thing I say. you're scum aren't you? oh god that is why you have been so civil isn't it?

VOTE: thor

no wonder the game is feeling so off there is a rotten apple trying to worm their way into town's core.

oh

oh my god

you

literally

just said "you don't think I'm a complete moron, therefore you are scum."

M&M is for vigging (or lynching, I wouldn't mind switching to lynching M&M after this post if the Ooba-wagon doesn't end up panning out)

I assume you are talking about this 1.

okay now explain the scum motivation behind that post

lemme guess there isn't any you just don't like it

[quadz08]

This is you taking a very weak meta-tell and using it as a valid reason for a vote. Absolutely scummy. You've got a whole paragraph explaining your vote, which boils down to "you are accepting my thought process, which you've never done before." It's a horrific tell, and it seems reeeeeally unlikely that anyone can make that case and really believe it's a scumtell.

[Nautilius]

No.

Your last post was pretty cool!

All of my posts are pretty cool. Don't h8

<<<h8r

I could have written half of Tierce's Post 1306. In fact several posts she's made is reflecting how I feel this game up til this point and continues to make me feel better about her alignment. TET

Better?

omg. wow. I think you're more paranoid than I am...though my paranoia doesn't kick in usually until day 3 or so. But what you need is a touch stone. Though you're a hydra, so you should have some of that, but I get it. But sometimes we just need something solid to believe in. I'm town; let's try to make sense of this shit.

I <3 <3 <3 mollie's paranoia. This game she is town town town. I would build a monument to her towniness this game and I would visit it every now and then when I had a seriously incorrect read so that I can remember what true town beauty looks like every now and then. This intensely surprising to me because usually when she's this town she's paranoid of me but she's not at the moment so I'm really, really enjoying the sync up.

Overreactive defensiveness of me to Benmage considering an otherwise sedate playstyle (that she was called on and defended as what she was doing in this game).
Pair that up with getting really annoyed when I asked her about it.

People usually have stronger reactions to Benmage than they should, getting annoyed seems like an emotion unless you want to pull some caught for the wrong reasons bullshit. Weak case.

Why *aren't* you voting Amrun?

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If I wanted to make a weak throwaway vote on someone who wasn't here, I would probably vote peacebringer for shock value.

So...which counterwagon should I be supporting then? The one on me? The one I openly disagree with on Stupendous? The kinda mushy Messiah one? Or should I start a wagon I like?
Oh, and look, you dislike me for doing that too.
Meh.
Derp tell is derpy.

SafetyDance seems like a pretty decent counterwagon; why aren't you on it?
I would love if you started a wagon you like, but you haven't done much starting, it seems. I mean, unless the case you've provided on her is a time bomb that everyone hates at first but suddenly there's gonna be this magical explosion of OH MY GOD IT'S BRILLIANT AND NOT JUST A WEAK AND LAZY CASE ON SOMEONE WHO ISN'T HERE, but I'm not optimistic about the chances of that happening.

I'd like to go for Macmollie instead.

I don't think you could find a worse wagon.