N's Notably Narcissistic Nonsensical Namesake (game over)

[Rail Tracer]

are you serious or are you trolling me right now?

[Rail Tracer]

is there a wagon on mitillos? i'm totally cool with a vote there if the mnem wagon falls apart.

[ooba]

RC is my strongest town read. Im not that sure of scum mnemonic - need to reread the game to find connections.

@Mit: You voiced suspicions of Mnemonic in D1. Does that still hold good now? Setup/Role claims aside, if menomic is scum, who is scum with him?

[Mitillos]

@RT: I am serious that you should stop opposing questions. I am not serious about the implication that you are protecting people and so on (remember, my read on you is null-town).

@ooba: mnem is still my strongest scum read. But, if I can find some sort of clear indication of lying somewhere, I'd rather vote for the liars, first. and with so many claimed powers, that seems likely. I think that after mnem, I'd be probably be looking more at {pere, peace, nani} first, for additional scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, we have daytalk.

Until either me or BB gets lynched, all I'm doing is prod dodging. He needs rope.

[DeasVail]

I may just be incredibly optimistic, but I'm not going to vote for Mitillos yet.

Regarding Luna Lovegood, first, I feel that their/his play has just generally been less town than I'd expect. I also suspect that his push on BBmolla's reaction to the guilty is forced. I agree that there were some weird things there, but I don't think it's common practice to assume a mod error, even if given a confusing result (I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have), and given that naive cop (and knowing you're one) is pretty boring unless there's some sort of role interaction that can make it not so, I think that this game there is perhaps even more reason to not question the guilty. The main thing of late, however, is the push for N to publicly reveal whether or not a mod error occurred. It is pushier than I'd expect from Nacho, and I think it's just an attempt to look town where in fact it just doesn't really do anything for the town.

Mnemonic is fine as a wagon too, but I'm feeling like a meatier lynch right now. Maybe later I'll feel differently! Who knows?

PEdit: That's not going to get BBmolla lynched though.

[PeaceBringer]

the only reason PV is going after me because using language here, I am "tunnelled" on him. There has been nothing in play or behavior that makes me see things differently.

You have no scumreads (ooba posted something scummy, and Sleepy claimed Miller are your reads.)
You call three people town and the rest are null (139).
You vote Katsuki for meta (143,160) one page after calling him town (139).
In 306, you completely deny 143.
After he replaces out, you maintain the slot is scum for the same reasons (483).

In addition, you claimed with no votes and no pressure (833).
See I am not claim adverse, contray to the culture around here it seems. Someone proclaims an incorrect view, going to call

them on it,particularly with a negative utility claim which may be of benefit if I die

You also claim "negative utility", the exact same reason you voted Sleepy/Diabolik (41).

Actually I never state my reason other than the weird to me play needed for sussing out. Fishing for reactions, it led to the exposure of kat/you

So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

nope, sleepy is town

None of this is town, and you are not town.

[b'] everything that you call not town is null. You are simply seeking to discredit one calling you scum. I do not blame you, it is what you have to do. The more you pull this stuff out the more you reveal yourself to be scum. [/b]

[BBmolla]

Yes, we have daytalk.

Until either me or BB gets lynched, all I'm doing is prod dodging. He needs rope.

Yknow, if you wanted me lynched you could provide some reasons, otherwise I doubt people will go that route dood.

[Luna Lovegood]

You butting in just makes you look that you're trying to either stop RC from potentially slipping up, or alternatively protect people from the consequences of their lies.

You don't think he has a point?

RC is my strongest town read.

Why?

I agree that there were some weird things there, but I don't think it's common practice to assume a mod error,

You would assume a frame instead?
What do you think of Molla in general?

The main thing of late, however, is the push for N to publicly reveal whether or not a mod error occurred. It is pushier than I'd expect from Nacho, and I think it's just an attempt to look town where in fact it just doesn't really do anything for the town.

When a mod error is corrected halfway into the day, it should probably be revealed just because it's easier and clearer to all involved. This is a position I'd end up taking regardless of alignment; not a big deal, but better modding practice.

[PeregrineV]

I am absolutely convinced that BB is scum.

Like the vodka?


Perhaps sharing the "why" will help share your absoluteness.

[PeregrineV]

Why didn't you this question when you first received the investigation?
Why didn't you confirm that the result was correct immediately?

Because I assumed it was a framer. It just made most sense to me. Only when people started going "No, sanity always triumphs over framer shit!" did I go "Okay, one way to resolve this.
Because I assumed it was. That would have been a fucking ENORMOUS mod error and I assumed that it was a wierd but correct result, not a mod error.

Why did you assume it wasn't a mod error?

Vote: BBMolla

I think I want to go here for a moment because I don't buy the way he's been reacting to the mod error because he doesn't actually seem at all frustrated about it and not questioning a guilty result as a naive cop is weird as hell.

Having it be a mod error means things makes more sense and there's less guesswork I have to do. I did question what the result meant, hence asking in my neighborhood and in thread. I trust my mods enough to not make mistakes like that.

Timing of "oh. this is a mod error." is also pretty shitty because it comes a minute after another post he made; seems strange that he would make a post, check QT, makes another post. It also seems weird that N didn't PM him and instead posted in the QT even though posting in the QT confirms his error to RC.

Made a post, inbox had one message, read it, "MOD ERROR!", "oh, awkward, it was error", look in QT, "it was an error."

Recieved both dood.

If your fishing for a modkill, then just post your role PM and get it over with.

Otherwise, let it go and either we think it's true or we don't.

[PeregrineV]

So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

this is borderline retarded logic.

i didn't begin suspecting that town could be full of negative utility roles until after the two flips + networker claim + sleepy hinting at it.

you're misrepresenting this.

I'm saying he saw his role PM, thought negative utility, Sleepy claimed negative utility, and his first thought was scum?
That's borderline retarded logic.

the rest of the things you said in #1008 aren't really any better, but peacebringer can defend himself on them. this was just so poor i had to mention it.

I'm sure Peace appreciates it.

I targeted Rail Tracer last night.

what was your read on me n1?

Mostly null. Was hoping your reaction today would give me more info to decide.

[PeregrineV]

the only reason PV is going after me because using language here, I am "tunnelled" on him. There has been nothing in play or behavior that makes me see things differently.

You have no scumreads (ooba posted something scummy, and Sleepy claimed Miller are your reads.)
You call three people town and the rest are null (139).
You vote Katsuki for meta (143,160) one page after calling him town (139).
In 306, you completely deny 143.
After he replaces out, you maintain the slot is scum for the same reasons (483).

In addition, you claimed with no votes and no pressure (833).
See I am not claim adverse, contray to the culture around here it seems. Someone proclaims an incorrect view, going to call

them on it,particularly with a negative utility claim which may be of benefit if I die

You also claim "negative utility", the exact same reason you voted Sleepy/Diabolik (41).

Actually I never state my reason other than the weird to me play needed for sussing out. Fishing for reactions, it led to the exposure of kat/you

So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

nope, sleepy is town

None of this is town, and you are not town.

[b'] everything that you call not town is null. You are simply seeking to discredit one calling you scum. I do not blame you, it is what you have to do. The more you pull this stuff out the more you reveal yourself to be scum. [/b]

Yes, you need to continue calling me scum to avoid creating interactions with other players. And that's OK. It effectively locks you down in thread until a vig gets around to you.

[Luna Lovegood]

If your fishing for a modkill, then just post your role PM and get it over with.

Otherwise, let it go and either we think it's true or we don't.

All of those things were responses to my questions.

[PeregrineV]

You butting in just makes you look that you're trying to either stop RC from potentially slipping up, or alternatively protect people from the consequences of their lies.

You don't think he has a point?

RC is my strongest town read.

Why?

I agree that there were some weird things there, but I don't think it's common practice to assume a mod error,

You would assume a frame instead?
What do you think of Molla in general?

The main thing of late, however, is the push for N to publicly reveal whether or not a mod error occurred. It is pushier than I'd expect from Nacho, and I think it's just an attempt to look town where in fact it just doesn't really do anything for the town.

When a mod error is corrected halfway into the day, it should probably be revealed just because it's easier and clearer to all involved. This is a position I'd end up taking regardless of alignment; not a big deal, but better modding practice.

Way off topic, but for N to admit in thread that he sent BBmolla the wrong results PM would basically be mod-confirming him, and bad practice.

Please drop and vote for Peace. His death will end scum daytalk (830).

[PeregrineV]

Updated.

the only reason PV is going after me because using language here, I am "tunnelled" on him. There has been nothing in play or behavior that makes me see things differently.

You have no scumreads (ooba posted something scummy, and Sleepy claimed Miller are your reads.)
You call three people town and the rest are null (139).
You vote Katsuki for meta (143,160) one page after calling him town (139).
In 306, you completely deny 143.
After he replaces out, you maintain the slot is scum for the same reasons (483).

In addition, you claimed with no votes and no pressure (833).
You also claim "negative utility", the exact same reason you voted Sleepy/Diabolik (41).
So, you claim to be town, and think Sleepy is scum for claiming the same thing in your PM?

A player claims a guilty on you(830). Knowing your alignment, you accuse them of lying or being paranoid(833). But, you don't think they are scum.

None of this is town, and you are not town.

[PeregrineV]

If your fishing for a modkill, then just post your role PM and get it over with.

Otherwise, let it go and either we think it's true or we don't.

All of those things were responses to my questions.

Then what are your thoughts on BBmolla? Is he scum or town?

[BBmolla]

Why didn't you this question when you first received the investigation?
Why didn't you confirm that the result was correct immediately?

Because I assumed it was a framer. It just made most sense to me. Only when people started going "No, sanity always triumphs over framer shit!" did I go "Okay, one way to resolve this.
Because I assumed it was. That would have been a fucking ENORMOUS mod error and I assumed that it was a wierd but correct result, not a mod error.

Why did you assume it wasn't a mod error?

Vote: BBMolla

I think I want to go here for a moment because I don't buy the way he's been reacting to the mod error because he doesn't actually seem at all frustrated about it and not questioning a guilty result as a naive cop is weird as hell.

Having it be a mod error means things makes more sense and there's less guesswork I have to do. I did question what the result meant, hence asking in my neighborhood and in thread. I trust my mods enough to not make mistakes like that.

Timing of "oh. this is a mod error." is also pretty shitty because it comes a minute after another post he made; seems strange that he would make a post, check QT, makes another post. It also seems weird that N didn't PM him and instead posted in the QT even though posting in the QT confirms his error to RC.

Made a post, inbox had one message, read it, "MOD ERROR!", "oh, awkward, it was error", look in QT, "it was an error."

Recieved both dood.

If your fishing for a modkill, then just post your role PM and get it over with.

Otherwise, let it go and either we think it's true or we don't.

?????????????????

So I just ignore questions asked to me about it?

Like why are you yelling at me and not the people probing me about it?

[PeregrineV]

@BBmolla- You mean like 1039, where I said please drop it?

Instead- why does RadiantCowbells have a scumread on you, do you think?

[Mitillos]

@Luna: He may have a point, but it's not a point I'm interested in.

@Pere: So, wait, are you voting Peace because you believe he's scum, or to end scum daytalk? It would also end BB and RC's daytalk. Shouldn't we go for other scum, first?

[PeregrineV]

@Luna: He may have a point, but it's not a point I'm interested in.

@Pere: So, wait, are you voting Peace because you believe he's scum, or to end scum daytalk? It would also end BB and RC's daytalk. Shouldn't we go for other scum, first?

I think there is a strong chance he's scum, and said why. For those that don't believe any of my case, then they can lynch him to deprive scum of daytalk.

RC apparently thinks BB is scum, so guessing their QT is currently underutilized.

Also thinking Nero/Mollie role would have made them normal cops, and with him dead they are just VTs, so their QT is only as useful to them as they make it.

If Mnemonicdevice has to go first, fine. But I don't see town-Peace, and find more reasons to believe scum-Peace.

[N]

nene

noun

a barred, gray-brown wild goose, Nesochen sandvicensis, native to Hawaii, where it is the state bird.

Vote Count 2.07

Luna Lovegood

( 1 ) DeasVail

Dante

( 0 )

DeasVail

( 0 )

Shadowy Poison

( 0 )

Rail Tracer

( 0 )

PeaceBringer

( 1 ) PeregrineV

mnemonicdevice

( 6 ) Dante , Rail Tracer ooba , Metal Unites Mutley , Luna Lovegood

ooba

( 0 )

PeregrineV

( 3 ) PeaceBringer , Diabolik , mnemonicdevice

Nani

( 0 )

Metal Unites Mutley

( 1 ) BBmolla

Mitillos

( 1 ) Nani

RadiantCowbells

( 0 )

Diabolik

( 1 ) Shadowy Poison

BBmolla

( 1 ) RadiantCowbells

Not voting:

Mitillos

With 15 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-10-06 04:47:07)

ooba is V/LA for four days.

[DeasVail]

You would assume a frame instead?
What do you think of Molla in general?

I would not assume a frame instead because I don't think there'd be both a town framer and a scum one, but you have my reaction to BBmolla's claim as evidence of what I would think. My first thought was the normalizer and if not that, then some other wacky role combination (which didn't seem too unlikely with this setup?), and it's not like I assumed that BBmolla would ask if it was a mod error or not either. BBmolla was one of my less town reads in the game before this, so I could see him being scum, but I don't think he's scummy from this naive cop thing. I think you are.

[Metal Unites Mutley]

the contents of this day is so LAME!


can we have some action? some heat? some lynches? some fighting?


i mean like this is the textbook example of "just another day"...

[Rail Tracer]

it's fucking dumb how few wagons have happened this game. there's been like the Katsuki wagon, the dopog lynch wagon, and this pitiful fucking excuse for a mnem wagon.

no other major wagons because nobody seems to give a shit about pushing their votes.