Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[notscience]

You kinda dropped off the face of the planet. What's going on with you?

527's wagon and what happened after that.

[Cephrir]

ffery's said a lot of things I've found to be genuine (and she's reminding me of amnesiac ffery) whereas she felt more... controlled, in 527? I also like the volume of her posts, this doesn't mean anything to me most of the time, but it kinda does with ffery. Maybe it's partially a product of replacing in.

I *am* more convinced Mario is scum than Titus, as crazy as that sounds. Very much want to lynch him today.

I'm conflicted about Brian Skies. Like you alluded to, he makes town-sounding posts pretty frequently, but then he'll go and say something that makes my gut sad. I feel like if I die tonight he'll be the reason why. Since I can't imagine anyone else wanting to kill me aside from Titus. Though that might require some cooperation from an SK who may not exist

[Titus]

Rebel, you totally missed NS's formal case and my response.

NS, why the hell didn't you call out Rebel for missing your case and my response?

[Cephrir]

There's no rule that says you have to address a case from one player to another if neither of them is you

[notscience]

Literally noone responded to the case.

Why are you talking to me like you think I'm town?

[Cephrir]

Literally noone responded to the case.

Why are you talking to me like you think I'm town?

Because she knows you're town

[Natirasha]

What, am I not cool enough to get a reaction after you call me scum?

I called you scum? Where? You keep moving in and out of my town block--but I never find you scummy here.

I don't think you answered RT's concerns about you and Mario. If you actually wanted to policy lynch, I figure you'd call it a policy lynch and push it like a policy lynch but you aren't. Why?

It is partially a policy lynch, partially due to him being scummy. Hard Lurkers take a little from both categories.

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

after I call you scum*

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

Rebel, you totally missed NS's formal case and my response.

didn't miss it.

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

NS COME FUCKING TALK TO ME AND STOP TUNNELING TITUS
-nacho

[Natirasha]

after I call you scum*

You didn't sound particularly confident in that conviction. You didn't give me anything to really respond to. My reaction was somewhere between complete apathy and mild surprise. Rail Tracer came at me with gusto, and engaged me in a dialogue. You didn't.

[notscience]

What do you want to talk about Nacho?

[Rail Tracer]

How are you feeling about Ceph?

most likely town

@RT,

(1)

I'm saying it is possible you are scum with NS. Not certain.

(2)

If you were scum with NS, your defense of me doesn't make much sense. However, you might be aware of the fact I'm suspecting you together and want to defend me a bit.

(3)

Comments like ns is the least likely to be scum but being unwilling to have him in your town list create this impression (post 971 for reference). Mario, there isn't enough to read on his slot.

(4)

I like Natirasha as town and see no reason to push him ATM.

(1) this is kind of a useless statement, then, since from your POV it should be possible that i'm scum with everyone.
(2) i wasn't defending you. i actually think you're very likely to be scum. i did, however, point out some inconsistencies with what cephy was saying - that's not because i think you're town, but because i'm objectively judging the merit of each case.
(3) i'm not confident that ns is town, but out of the players that i'm not reading as town, he looks more town than the rest. *shrug* you can take this to mean whatever you want it to mean.
(4) why is natirasha town?

Titus' scum reads are so laughable I have trouble seeing them as something a scum player would actually put forth.

i'm not actually sure what to make of it. i

could

see this titus doing something so outrageously odd that people will think she's less likely scum (she has probably seen my thought processes enough to know this is how i think about things sometimes). or it's just genuine town-crazy. it makes me feel uneasy in the same way DB's play at the end of D1 made me feel uneasy about my scum read on him.

Why do you think [brian is] town?

mostly for the tone of his posts, the arguments he's been making, and specific interactions with players i think are very likely to be scum.

would you help me lynch nati today?

[ProHawk]

ironic is the wrong word >.>

You're right... hypocritical is the better term.

prohawk... you know that a bunch of people also pushed a wagon, on a *confirmed town* too, right?

Yeah... so tell me about how you feel regarding Rebel and Rail Tracer. See what I don't get is you say --->

prohawk - gut. :/ that's all i really have. i have liked all his posts.
and so i end up getting suspicious of you, for pushing a wagon on him.

Am I reading this right? You are suspicious of me for pushing a wagon on someone who you believe is town, but just might be scum? And then your top three scum-spects are:

NS, Cephir and Prohawk

All of whom

didn't

push a confirmed town D1. So you think pushing a wagon against someone who you believe to be town but just might be scum is scummy, but don't really care much about anyone who actually, verifiably did push a wagon against town?

The only thing I can think of is you are making up your read on me, because its pretty apparent you don't actually think its a scum-tell to push a lynch on someone who is town. I actually hadn't been reading you as all that scummy, more just misguided up until this point, help me understand where I am wrong in my current analysis Artemis.

[ProHawk]

prohawk, you also know that brian is a newish player, ,right?

I don't get your point.

You also never clarified your point here, and I would now like you to do so.

If Prohawk is town this might freak him the fuck out but I'll say it anyway.

If Rebel agrees with you about Nati I'll probably go along.

I actually don't understand what you are referencing here, the other part that bugs me is the posturing you are setting up when I don't flip out because of it (which I am not).

Prohawk, what's your opinion on SoS this game?

Pretty much on the fence. I probably wouldn't support a lynch on them today though. Somethings I have liked from them, somethings I haven't.

Decently strong town reads lie in Rail Tracer and HP (by proxy therefore Cephrir, although the read comes from his predecessor and not necessarily him)

[ProHawk]

Forgot NS in the decently strong town reads pile too.

[notscience]

Hawk, you should join our righteous cause and lynch titus-scum.

[Rail Tracer]

prohawk makes a good point at the bottom of #988 about AK. i think AK is town, but i am ignoring most of AK's arguments because they're nonsensical.

[ProHawk]

@ProHawk: I'm sick of defending that post. It was on page 1, and even 38 pages into the game, I find myself having to deal with it again. DB was misrepresenting me with it. I thought he could have been scum for it. I was wrong. I can't be wrong?

So here is the thing Brian... your trajectory doesn't fit your story. If you honestly thought he was scum for "mis-repping you", why didn't you vote him when he first did it in... 152 to which you commented in 156? In fact after you commented on the mis-representation you still put him in your top 4 town pile in post 214...

I guess I can understand that he didn't vote you until #328, which could have been the straw that broke the camels back, however, again you waited to vote him until #390. Yes, that was your next post in the thread, but a quick search tells me that you were on-site and making a substantial number of posts in the time between post #328 and #390. My hypothesis being that you waited for more support for the wagon before wanting to push it which fits the bill of cautious scum quite nicely.

P-EDIT: NS, let me actually read your case to which I have admittedly skipped due to me writing you both off a town.

[Sound of Silence]

I actually don't understand what you are referencing here, the other part that bugs me is the posturing you are setting up when I don't flip out because of it (which I am not).

I'm referencing the Xenologue game and my-Morph's following Oil Tycoon's votes. I thought our sheeping the Sakura vote in particular struck you as scummy.

I'm kinda waiting for some indication in a game one of these days that you have figured out how my motivations translate into behaviors. If this is the game where I see that, then yay.

[Rail Tracer]

why do you think nati is town, ns?

[ProHawk]

I'm referencing the Xenologue game and my-Morph's following Oil Tycoon's votes. I thought our sheeping the Sakura vote in particular struck you as scummy.

I'm kinda waiting for some indication in a game one of these days that you have figured out how my motivations translate into behaviors. If this is the game where I see that, then yay.

Nope. Difference being you are actually using your head this game at least from what I have seen. Are you saying you will vote Nati solely based on the word of RT? If you were playing to your scum Xenologue you would already have voted for Nati while stroking RT's ego behind the scenes.

And you play in so many different hydras, I actually don't think I have played in a game with just you, so despite you being overly active in your hydras it still would/should have some effect on your behaviors/actions.

Hawk, you should join our righteous cause and lynch titus-scum.

NS, you need to take a chill-pill, step away for a second and come back to your case for Titus. The majority of your case is reveled in

personality-tells

. I am not really seeing all of the fluff you keep bringing up. The only thing I could maybe see is the hammer on Dan, but I can tell you that 9/10 my play as scum is to avoid hammering. Its just such a high-profile spot, even if you hammer scum for that matter. So for me, personally I don't even see Titus as scum for it.

[Sound of Silence]

Nope. Difference being you are actually using your head this game at least from what I have seen. Are you saying you will vote Nati solely based on the word of RT? If you were playing to your scum Xenologue you would already have voted for Nati while stroking RT's ego behind the scenes.

I'm saying I will support that lynch if my two strongest town reads both go there.

Behind the scenes?

And you play in so many different hydras, I actually don't think I have played in a game with just you, so despite you being overly active in your hydras it still would/should have some effect on your behaviors/actions.

With a couple of exceptions, I'm more diplomatic as a hydra than as my main. I think that's in part due to some of my hydra partners being abrasive in games. The only other difference that I personally notice in my play is being slower about stance changes due to synch frequency and (somewhat unintuitive given the slow stance changes) being more decisive because most of my partners don't dither nearly as much as I do.

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

You didn't sound particularly confident in that conviction. You didn't give me anything to really respond to. My reaction was somewhere between complete apathy and mild surprise. Rail Tracer came at me with gusto, and engaged me in a dialogue. You didn't.

You can say "why are you reading me as scum?" without me full tilting at you. When I tilt you, I'm lynching the hell out of you.

What do you want to talk about Nacho?

Nastyrasha.
Talk to me about him!

would you help me lynch nati today?

Hell yes.

Vote: Nastyrasha

[Natirasha]

Okay, nacho.
Why are you reading me as scum?