Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Faster Than Light]

On day one. Before there was a night phase. Even though her flip said nothing to indicate she could use her power during a day phase.

No, you have plenty to explain.

bork explained everything in the flip lol


^plain english

[Faster Than Light]

if you really need to know how i know details about RM's role, it's because i'm psychic. i predict her role is one that can assign passive abilities to other players. the crystal ball told me so.

btw muffin

thank goodness RM was lynched day 1

so she couldnt activate her (in my opinion) OP ability


therefore she hadn't had time to work her magic yet


which is good. for town at least

[zMuffinMan]

oh. i think i get what wayne is trying to say. i think wayne is confused (more than usual) and doesn't get that i was talking about RM's role in the sense of overall game balance and not in the sense of what actually happened in this game. so when i say RM's role

did

affect town roles, i'm talking about it in the contextual sense of game balance (which is pretty fucking obvious given the sentence that ebwop was attached to) and wayne's

Brilliant Mind

thinks i was suggesting that RM's role

did

affect town roles in this game.

[zMuffinMan]

read the sentence like this if you're still confused, wayne:

and the flipped scum roles so far seem to indicate that scum has a lot of power to counter town (redirection, roleblocking and the possibility of passives that interfere with town roles in some way - actually, it's not just the possibility that RM's role interfered with town roles in some way. RM's role

did

interfere with town roles in some way. we just aren't sure how at the moment).

[waynegg]

I read it the way it was written. Rite bettah or don't get upset when someone when someone takes you at

WHAT YOU SAID

[BROseidon]

Muffin using the indicative instead of the subjunctive OP.

What you said did mean that Rach's powers affected the current game state. What you should have said is, "RM's role would have interfered with town roles in some way."

[Desperado]

I think muffin was using interfere and affect interchangeably.

Desp, I've always been trying to hint that I knew, but I was worried about infringing on any claiming rules and so I merely alluded to it as a possibility. I don't claim often (actually, almost never) so I'm out of touch with what's acceptable.

If Wayne hadn't claimed his shot on you, how had you planned on approaching your role?

[Nachomamma8]

You just did what you claimed that you didn't just do in this post. In even making the argument you were on the Mala/Rach wagons and defending Andrius, you just claimed your portion of the cred.

So your current model for me is that I played suboptimally around the Rach/Mala wagons in order to setup for this?

mostly because he seems to give more of a fuck than the other two, and i can see scum apathy kicking in about now when the game is mostly figured out.

So you feel pretty comfortable with everyone outside of me/bro/desp/aj?

You think they are going to be "oh, BRO is totally a PR and not lynchable as shit" and then shoot the fuck out of you without knowing for sure?

Why give them certainty in this instead of giving them the option to choose wrong?

You getting cleared is far more important than you surviving one more night.

[Nachomamma8]

Cabd, where the hell are you? I've prodded you plenty of times to talk about BRO's meta but you haven't even taken a shot at it yet.

[Nachomamma8]

Andrius:

What happens when scum hold the hammer on your wagon?

[Andrius]

But again, supersaint is an incredible lylo role. Why would you want out now?

town supersaint that can only kill town does nothing in lylo

And andy, that's good actually. By "only works on town" you mean that if scum hammers you, you won't venge them?

its crap lategame
and it doesn't kill scum
why would i want to be a supersaint
and not be able to kill scum

BORK PLS
YOU ROBBED ME OF MY KILL LAST GAME
THIS DOESNT HELP NONE

I'm listening, andy. Go on and give us the long form birth certificate.

Supersaint. Only works on town.

[Nachomamma8]

ok

[zMuffinMan]

So you feel pretty comfortable with everyone outside of me/bro/desp/aj?

yeah. i have (what i think are) very good reasons for every other player being town. i don't plan to reassess this unless something somehow comes along that changes my mind about those 4 players or one of the rest of the players, and outside of more than one player in that group of 4 flipping town, i cannot really think of a "something" that would change my mind here. dunno if you can really call this confbias, but whatever.

[TiphaineDeath]

I was told to post, I don't really exist right now, in general... Sorry.

[notscience]

Bleh I could go for either lynch today.

[waynegg]

Lynching Nacho will either exonerate or condemn Andy. I'm thinking exonerate. As much as I enjoy playing with Nacho, I have reason to trust in Andy.

[zMuffinMan]

can anyone not currently voting one of AJ or nacho either push a different fucking lynch or vote one of them or explain why you're not doing either?

[Faster Than Light]

dead game why oh why


ya im voting aj atm

[Desperado]

Unvote
Vote: AJ

Not lynching Nacho and don't understand AJ's thought process re: BP = traitor.

[TiphaineDeath]

Poor dead game, nacho should go with it.

[BROseidon]

I'll catch up fully with the game tomorrow, and decide where I want to drop my vote based on that.

[Aj The Epic]

I think muffin was using interfere and affect interchangeably.

Desp, I've always been trying to hint that I knew, but I was worried about infringing on any claiming rules and so I merely alluded to it as a possibility. I don't claim often (actually, almost never) so I'm out of touch with what's acceptable.

If Wayne hadn't claimed his shot on you, how had you planned on approaching your role?

I'd sit on it quietly until there was an unexplained no-kill, wait for the first NKA and then claim.

Unvote
Vote: AJ

Not lynching Nacho and don't understand AJ's thought process re: BP = traitor.

How many times do I have to explain it? I was told, explicitly, with no room for error, that there was, beyond any reasonable doubt, a traitor in this very specific game.

[6] Andrius (Trust Fund,

Malakittens, RachMarie,

Faster Than Light

,

notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast

)
[6]

RachMarie

(

zMuffinMan

, Desperado, Aj The Epic, Nachomamma8, TiphaineDeath,

Ghostlin

)
[2] BROseidon (

Sound of Silence

, Mac)
[2]

mastin2

(BROseidon,

nickthename

)

This has probably been the most important vote count all day. Let's spell it out:
Some quick facts: Notscience and Beauty will both end on Andrius. Mastin/Nick wagons rather irrelevant because most everyone important on them is already dead and/or confirmed town. The wagon momentum switched mainly due to Mollie finishing the imbalance.

Now, let's make some quick assumptions.
Let's assume Muffin town, FTL town, and Ghostlin town. Assume no scum because we're using this to help find. I'll mark assumptions blue. On a counterwagon drawn by scum, I would generally guess one more scum leaving TF. The last two are bussing. You've got to have insurance. Using confirmation bias, I'd say a good guess is two of Desp, Nacho, TD, TF are scum. I don't even know what TF has done recently, and nick was diehard on TD being town. Nacho was mastin's pick for an outside scum pick, and I completely agreed d1. I've never seen Nacho like this, but then again, I really don't play against him as much as I first assumed I did.

[Faster Than Light]

Wasn't there a debate earlier this game about the chacne of town vs scum BPs that Mala was involved in?

I don't like the claim, it feels funny to me. I'm trying to figure out why.

I also don't like AJ's claim, but it's more in lieu of his traitor-talk. Around post 4075, there's some discussion with Mala about BP being town. Waynegg thinks BP isn't, Mala says BP tends to be town more than anything else. AJ actually factually claims in 4074, where he says that his role was meant to counterbalance the traitor role, and I still have no clue

how

.

Ftl, I am a PR.I will ensure you get results tomorrow. Clear?

So I guess I'll submit my VC at night even though I technically can't tonight?

-V

[Nachomamma8]

yeah. i have (what i think are) very good reasons for every other player being town. i don't plan to reassess this unless something somehow comes along that changes my mind about those 4 players or one of the rest of the players, and outside of more than one player in that group of 4 flipping town, i cannot really think of a "something" that would change my mind here. dunno if you can really call this confbias, but whatever.

then can we lynch everyone else in that group of three? aj's posturing to jump on my lynch, desperado's white-knighting me, who knows what the fuck bro is doing, and honestly i can't really reanalyze that group of three when there are three people i don't strongly feel is town and three scum left. i don't want to accept my lynch when there's a possibility of me being wrong (for example on someone like trust fund), but one townflip in that group of three and I will make myself lynchable after reanalyzing.

Lynching Nacho will either exonerate or condemn Andy. I'm thinking exonerate. As much as I enjoy playing with Nacho, I have reason to trust in Andy.

I don't think Andy can read me that well.

Unvote
Vote: AJ

Not lynching Nacho and don't understand AJ's thought process re: BP = traitor.

Why aren't you lynching me?

[Aj The Epic]

I'm game if we decide we like nick over rach.

Ill be here for the next few hours.

But I'd rather flash bro. He's lurking away the pressure.

So the first part of the 'avoid Rach' lynch going on here. Or maybe just a 'vote nick' campaign. Either or, there is general avoidance of RM.

Mmkay. VOTE: nick

And an easy, unexplained vote onto Nick. I checked and nothing around this post explains TF's thoughts on Nick. I think this was just when BnB were pushing "Everyone vote for Nick" and TF slipped right in.

To be noted, no vote made for mala day three, either. So 0-3 lynches for TF.

In no particular order within categories.

Town:

8. Mac (Neighborhood interactions)
9. mastin2 (Actions, townposting)
6. Faster Than Light (As nacho said last game, you can't fake this level of crazy bad gambiting)
14. notscience, Midori Uzuki (innocent child, duh)
19. Trust Fund (Because it's me)
21. zMuffinMan (Day one interactions with Rach, etc)
16. Mutleyddmc (Un CC'd vig in a confirmed single scum faction game)

Town reads find them town:

20. Venmar (per mastin)

Lean null-town:

2. Andrius (If he's softing what I think he's softing, needs to be confirmed before lylo)

Null:

4. BROseidon (Reaction to my little test was good, but ffery's reads are a thing I trust)
10. Nachomamma8 (Not nearly enough action, but I'm guilty of that too, and ffery townread 'em)

To Sort:

1. Aj The Epic (Need to ISO)
5. Desperado (Factor in new castle meta data of scumgame)
7. Ghostlin (I really should have a read here)
12. Malakittens (was leaning town, sunk)
18. TiphaineDeath (need to re-evaluate)

Look at how many feathers TF rustles here. None. There isn't even a scum list! "To Sort" really gives us insight. Especially when at least 3/4 of their town reads might as well have been confirmed.

Mod-confirmed to be town:

14. notscience, Midori Uzuki

8. Mac

18. TiphaineDeath

20. antihero

Town:
16. waynegg (vig in an assured single scumteam game)
19. Trust Fund (my role PM)
21. zMuffinMan (pushes over the past three days but mostly D1)
6. Faster Than Light (Varsoon has a hard time forcing this type of crazy as scum IMO)

Leftovers (3 scum be here)
1. Aj The Epic
2. Andrius
4. BROseidon
5. Desperado
7. Ghostlin
10. Nachomamma8

And here we go again. 4 confirmed, and then out of the 4 (3) remaining, two should be auto confirmed and one is TF. The only one remotely on a limb there is FTL, which really isn't that big a stretch. And the three scum in remaining? Hell, that isn't obvious... TF is scum.