Mini 1501: We're On A Boat! (END?! results inside)

[fferyllt]

Not one but two espousing that the claim was an out of the gate mastermind plot?

If that was a scum maneuver, I'd put hard money cash on it being in direct response to the chucklewagon that predicated it. Even that is a far, far less likely then the truth when you've got an entire bag of lies as scum to choose from.

As for wanting AeroSK dead its a reaffirmation that while I'm not down with a 7 page lynch I'm super not down with the 50+ page nonsense I've seen the ~meta~ turn to even worse since I've been gone. So, we squeeze out what we need to and then go from there. I haven't been persuaded that an end of the day that isn't dead SK isn't a good death.

Before the end of the day, you can expect some serious notes, but for now, I'm being patience.

You talk about squeezing out what we need to before ending the game day. I'm not seeing a whole lot of squeezing so far.

[SleepyKrew]

RVS ended as soon as Brian claimed Miller. You had two posts that did nothing before that.

Eh I want to give him a chance to contribute (probably a few more rl days) before I decide he's intentionally being useless. But thanks for explaining. I like your vote a lot more than the other two on him.

PEDIT: yay someone else sees it too

[SleepyKrew]

@mod

Can we see sample Miller, Mafia Goon and Serial Killer Role PMs?
No clue if that's actually allowed

[pitoli]

@mod

Can we see sample Miller, Mafia Goon and Serial Killer Role PMs?
No clue if that's actually allowed

Nice try, but no lol

[pitoli]

Prodding ChannelDelibird and CrashTextDummie soon...

[fferyllt]

At this point, I do kind of believe the miller claim. I feel like I should be ruthless and demand a policy lynch anyway, as a disincentive for scum to claim miller in the future, but I probably won't have the heart to go through with it.

Where does heart fit-in concerning a game designed around distrust and deceit?

You explained it yourself here:

In the course of looking for scum, I usually identify players I feel pretty strongly are town. I like to work toward genuine consensus about the game state with players I think are town. Sometimes my towndar works so much better than my scumdar that I wind up mostly doing a PoE process with my reads.

I sometimes get accused of extreme buddying for my play style. Doesn't bother me.

I don't consider it scummy at all. I do it too sometimes, especially if I'm having trouble pegging someone as scum.

It's also a game about paranoia and trust. Sometimes the paranoia is unjustified. Sometimes the trust is misplaced. Sometimes.

[Kazekirimaru]

But do tell me the scum motivation in me moving off the largest wagon to vote a lurker, kthx.

You're jumpy, Aero momentum was slowing down, and you saw two recent votes for Maestro. What's the

town

motivation of a third pressure vote in quick succession?

Pressure on a lurker. I thought that much was obvious.

Kaz - I see 'Miller claims aren't just null and WIFOM, even though I'm not sure about this one yet and I've seen this both from legit Town and gambiting scum'. Which fair enough? No bloody textual clue from as to why you believe the claim at the point you said you do, really.

Kay.

SK's got me figured out, gaiz

Hey you. Play the fucking game or leave.

@SpyreX: Hey. If you're so intent on finding scum, why are you taking a passive position? You should be asking questions and pressuring reads. I don't understand your approach.

[SleepyKrew]

Pressure on a lurker. I thought that much was obvious.

HOW DOES A

THIRD

VOTE HELP
read what I said to Smudger
Then think
Then get back to me

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't see how it hurts.

Simple as that, really.

[SleepyKrew]

Then why were you adamant that they can't be null if you don't have experience with them?

Don't ignore this

PEDIT: but it does

nothing

Are you content doing

nothing

?

[Kazekirimaru]

Because it doesn't feel right that Miller claims should be null when they make so many waves. It's stated with an intent of something, it's just not always for the same reason.

That it does nothing is your opinion.

It probably is a lot less effective as a pressure tool now that you're DISCUSSING IT.

[CrashTextDummie]

Why is SpyreX scum?

His treatment of the miller claim rubbed me the wrong way. He says Brian's claim isn't the "usual garbage" because he didn't try use it as a shield, when in fact he did. His angle was specifically "I'm a miller, look elsewhere", and he only backtracked when called out on it. I was particularly displeased by Spyrex's claim that it's "impossible for scum not to bite" on a miller claim, because it's factually untrue (in my experience, scum typically don't attack claimed millers on D1) and reads as an underhanded attempt to dissuade town from voting Brian. I've seen this exact type of argument from scum before (again, reference user plenty in TV U-Pick mafia). His more recent posts haven't been better. It all reads insincere and off to me.

I agree that he needs to be dead before LYLO, but don't you think a D1 policy lynch right out the gate is a not-so-good idea?

I'm not pushing a policy lynch. I think claiming miller on D1 is scummy and I think Brian is scum.

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I'm juggling 9 games right now and this game just started. Sorry for considering a game that just started as low priority. If you still have a problem, just push for a policy lynch. I won't blame you for it.

Clearly you are paying attention and clearly you have time to argue about your miller claim and clearly you have time to give me cheek. I can see this game being a low priority for you, but it's also low maintenance. It doesn't take more time to form an opinion on a game as short as this than it does to read it, and your failure to do so illustrates your scummy mindset to me.

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As for the comment regarding my "opportunistic vote" I disagree with that for the simple reason it is not opportunistic, I am currently uncomfortable with Aeros play so far and I suggest you retread the post with my vote as I say
More than Baaaaaaahhj..

The post with your vote couldn't have been more ambiguous. Your stated reason was that you "didn't like the attitude". What attitude was making you uncomfortable and why did you find it scummy?

[CrashTextDummie]

SleepyKrew and Garmr move into the tentative town-pile. I'm inclined to put Plum there, but haven't really seen enough.

I look at Smudger's already quite substantial ISO and I see preciously little interest in trying to figure other players out.

unvote, vote: Smudger

Though people really have to start explaining to me how they are reading Brian as town, apart from his claim.

[notscience]

What do you think of the wagon on me CTD, given your prior expressed townread on me?

[CrashTextDummie]

I wasn't aware there's a wagon on you.

Vote Smudger?

[fferyllt]

What do you think of the wagon on me CTD, given your prior expressed townread on me?

One vote does not a wagon make.

He's still a newb and obviously isn't used to your style of play.

You know why you play this way. You know why you get false positives.

Give it a rest.

[SleepyKrew]

That it does nothing is your opinion.

It probably is a lot less effective as a pressure tool now that you're DISCUSSING IT.

read what I said to Smudger
Then think

[Kazekirimaru]

I don't care.

[Kazekirimaru]

It means nothing now that we've discussed the voting at-length anyway.

[SleepyKrew]

I'm not pushing a policy lynch. I think claiming miller on D1 is scummy and I think Brian is scum.

Lynch all miller claims is a policy lynch.

Other than that, really liking CTD right now.

[SleepyKrew]

It means nothing now that we've discussed the voting at-length anyway.

IT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING ANYWAY
okay you admit that your vote is useless now
Do something
Anything

[SleepyKrew]

RVS ended as soon as Brian claimed Miller. You had two posts that did nothing before that.

Eh I want to give him a chance to contribute (probably a few more rl days) before I decide he's intentionally being useless. But thanks for explaining. I like your vote a lot more than the other two on him.

PEDIT: yay someone else sees it too

ffery plz

[fferyllt]

RVS ended as soon as Brian claimed Miller. You had two posts that did nothing before that.

Eh I want to give him a chance to contribute (probably a few more rl days) before I decide he's intentionally being useless. But thanks for explaining. I like your vote a lot more than the other two on him.

PEDIT: yay someone else sees it too

ffery plz

Why are you so intent on deconstructing this wagon?

[fferyllt]

I mean what is this "chance to contribute" shit?

[Kazekirimaru]

It means nothing now that we've discussed the voting at-length anyway.

IT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING ANYWAY
okay you admit that your vote is useless now
Do something
Anything

Nah. I like my vote where it is.

I still want to hear from him and I want my vote there when I do.