Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

Faster Than Light · Post Post #4625 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:54 am

@Nacho:
I don't know how much to trust Andy's read of you--Metal Sonic is much more willing to but I'm skeptical.
I think zMuffin hit it on the head when he wrote something along the lines of "If the scum team was all PRs, that'd make town even more powerful" (looked it up, post 4584). If anything, I feel like if scum is nothing but PRs, they'd definitely try to craft a situation where my VC ability wouldn't victimize them. Then again, I suppose the opposite is true (if scum had goons, they'd craft a situation where a Vanilla result would mean Town).
Re-fucking-gardless, you're Vanilla, Nacho.

Even if you are scum

, I'd rather use the day to catch a scum PR than a Scum Goon.

P-EDIT:
@AJ:
Following your PoE (assuming you're town, in some bizarre universe), Trust Fund is a scum (claimed 1-shot Vanilla'izer/VanillaCopConfirmedPR)? If so, what do you make of Trust Fund/BRO's interaction?
I've been skeptical of Trust Fund all game, so this feels like a real tug at me to put my confidence in you (especially since you've been calling me town a lot lately). I can't discern if you're trying to get me off of your back or legitimately do work in scum-hunting, or both.
AJ, I can't really trust you. You're my top scum-read for today, and you're doing things that simultaneously complicate and reinforce my read of you. I'm going to read all of your posts with a grain of salt, but I guess I'm not the only player in this game, so I want you to keep posting, regardless of your alignment.

-V

Faster Than Light · Post Post #4626 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:58 am

Ultimately, out of AJ, Desperado, Nacho, and BRO, my priority of lynch is currently
AJ > BRO = Desperado > Nacho.
Nacho's vanilla, and lynching out of the other three players provides good info that informs PoE of the others.

-V

waynegg · Post Post #4627 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:07 am

In post 4621, Aj The Epic wrote:How many times do I have to explain it? I was told, explicitly, with no room for error, that there was, beyond any reasonable doubt, a traitor in this very specific game.

So the Traitor has already gone over then?

VOTE: AJ

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4628 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:09 am

why would a bulletproof be informed of a traitor role?
what is your flavor name and your real name, AJ?

Aj The Epic · Post Post #4629 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:42 pm

In post 4628, Nachomamma8 wrote:why would a bulletproof be informed of a traitor role?
what is your flavor name and your real name, AJ?

I already fullclaimed today, Nacho. Are you even trying any more?

In post 4627, waynegg wrote:
In post 4621, Aj The Epic wrote:How many times do I have to explain it? I was told, explicitly, with no room for error, that there was, beyond any reasonable doubt, a traitor in this very specific game.
So the Traitor has already gone over then?

VOTE: AJ

Walk me through what here says "I know the traitor is on the scum side"

Varsoon, this is a trend and I'm not overly worried. People ALWAYS think this in large games and I have yet to shake it. I'm either ineffective or scummy, or sometimes both, to the rest of the game. I thought I had that beat day 1, but it's slowly crept back on me. This game is different in the fact that you're all questioning my claim. Read people's feelings before and after, their reads on me are ALL on this claim (with the exception of Muffin). I've been honest and that's all I can do about it.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4630 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:49 pm

aj wrote:I was told, explicitly, with no room for error, that there was, beyond any reasonable doubt, a traitor in this very specific game.

i don't believe this. but even apart from the fact that i cannot think of a scenario where the mod would give you information about a traitor in this game, when you full claimed, you said the following:

In post 4463, Aj The Epic wrote:My role gives good reason for me to believe that a traitor exists in this game.

why, when you full-claimed, did you not mention you were actually told explicitly with no room for error?

nacho wrote:then can we lynch everyone else in that group of three?

yeah, we could. but as i discussed with ghosty a bit earlier, that just leaves you room to kill off the people who are pushing your lynch most strongly, if you're scum.

like, don't get me wrong. i am thinking AJ is virtually confirmed scum here, which is why i talked to ghosty about an AJ lynch instead since it's so fucking hard to get the lynch on you to go through... but i don't think it'll be hard to lynch AJ on any day in this game, and i

do

think it will be fucking hard to lynch you once, say, ghostlin and i die.

waynegg · Post Post #4631 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:51 pm

In post 4629, Aj The Epic wrote:
Walk me through what here says "I know the traitor is on the scum side"

It's the only thing that makes sense where a supposed BP is told, in no unequivocal terms, that a Traitor exists in this game. I wast told there was a Traitor in this game. Was anybody else told there was a Traitor in this game? Stinks of something the informed minority might know, but other than that...

Let's try something...

@bork: would you be so kind as to spoiler a role or two in this game to me as well, other than mafia/scum, VT, and what's already flipped? Pretty please

Aj The Epic · Post Post #4632 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:05 pm

In post 4630, zMuffinMan wrote:why, when you full-claimed, did you not mention you were actually told explicitly with no room for error?

Because I'm not comfortable with claims. I read the rules before doing so and didn't see anything specific on what was considered infringing.

waynegg wrote: It's the only thing that makes sense where a supposed BP is told, in no unequivocal terms, that a Traitor exists in this game. I wast told there was a Traitor in this game. Was anybody else told there was a Traitor in this game? Stinks of something the informed minority might know, but other than that...

Let's try something...

@bork: would you be so kind as to spoiler a role or two in this game to me as well, other than mafia/scum, VT, and what's already flipped? Pretty please

I'm still not following. It's not like I asked for the information. If you're saying you're questioning why I got extra info, I'm the wrong guy to ask.

BROseidon · Post Post #4633 (ISO) » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:01 pm

Back from V/LA, but about to go to bed. Gonna try to catch up tomorrow.

Ghostlin · Post Post #4634 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:23 am

I would say that the whole AJ noise is a shit show to get us off Nacho but I know that I can't blame on design what seems to be an issue of competence on AJ's fault.

To answer Nacho's question of him handling the Mala and Rach wagon poorly, I do feel it's a WIFOM argument of little consequence atm. I still don't feel Nacho is a poor lynch. I will support an AJ lynch, but only when Nacho isn't going to happen.

FTL, go ahead and investigate when you can. I will do something else tonight.

ISO · Post Post #4635 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:58 am

Votecount 4.5

[5] Nachomamma8 (zMuffinMan, Ghostlin, TiphaineDeath, Andrius, Mac)
[4] Aj The Epic (Nachomamma8, Faster Than Light, Desperado, waynegg)
[1] Antihero (notscience)

[4] Not Voting (Aj The Epic, BROseidon, Antihero, Trust Fund)

With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-10-06 23:00:00)

Antihero was prodded. (Mac and Trust Fund are V/LA)

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4636 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:48 am

In post 4634, Ghostlin wrote:I still don't feel Nacho is a poor lynch. I will support an AJ lynch, but only when Nacho isn't going to happen.

basically how i feel atm

TiphaineDeath · Post Post #4637 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:29 am

Nacho should have happened, the fact that he didn't reinforces that.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4638 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:29 am

What?

Trust Fund · Post Post #4639 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:38 am

I was wondering how long it would take for scum to try and push lynches in the "not confirmed town but not currently the focus" list. Guess that my answer, eh?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4640 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:45 am

In post 4629, Aj The Epic wrote:already fullclaimed today, Nacho. Are you even trying any more?

Your rolename is Reincarnated Contact.
What is your ability name?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4641 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:46 am

In post 4608, Nachomamma8 wrote:Cabd, where the hell are you? I've prodded you plenty of times to talk about BRO's meta but you haven't even taken a shot at it yet.

Trust Fund · Post Post #4642 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:56 am

In post 4608, Nachomamma8 wrote:Cabd, where the hell are you? I've prodded you plenty of times to talk about BRO's meta but you haven't even taken a shot at it yet.

~ongoing game ethics issues go here~

Also I'm on lunch break so about to go radio silent again, jury duty till next weekend, see my VLA notice.

If you wanna play old games metadiving, it will have to wait tilll... I can pencil you in tomorrow evening around 7PM pacific time. Would you like an appointment?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #4643 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:58 am

pencil me in for a time that isn't in bullshit specific time

Antihero · Post Post #4644 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:36 am

not going to be able to post until wednesday

._.

i don't care for either of the wagons, though

Mac · Post Post #4645 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:20 pm

In post 4579, BROseidon wrote:Scum having all PRs with a Vanilla cop in play would be, like, shit-tier design, especially given how limited the town-power we have claimed at this point is.

Every town PR claim has been either not particularly implicitly super-powerful (IC), gated in some way (Anti's cop that goes away after 2 innocents, Wayne's 2-shot), or both (FTL's non-consecutive modifier, Mac's neighborizer, Mastin's whole role).

We also have 4 VT flips, and there are probably more VTs in play. No way scum is 5 PRs vs. that. That seems highly implausible.

are you reading the game because im not quite a neighbouriser and have claimed so. my role is pretty powerful but is indeed gated in it's own special way.

Mac · Post Post #4646 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:24 pm

UNVOTE:

VOTE: AJ

Mac · Post Post #4647 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:29 pm

if aj doesnt explain why bork said to him "hey you are a bulletproof townie! and hey, here's another bonus; theres a traitor!" in his next post he should be hammered.

nacho might be town if aj scumflips. desperado next plz.

Andrius · Post Post #4648 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:31 pm

In post 4647, Mac wrote:nacho might be town if aj scumflips.

Don't think like that.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #4649 (ISO) » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:36 pm

mac wrote:nacho might be town if aj scumflips

;_;

this is exactly what i mean