Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[T S O]

I don't have the impression that town T S O is all that accommodating.

But you're calling me scum.

Yes. I didn't expect town-you to step it up to such an extent right after I called you on your lack of content.

Also, you deflected my post about Sakura coming off a little townish in the post you characterized as self-sacrificing.

You focused on the self-sacrificing aspect and totally ignored that it was a defense of Cabd. Why would one scum baldly volunteer to be the lynch when the other scum is coming under fire?

Why do you think I'm lazy as Town?

And I think Sakura would try it because she knows the reaction it elicits. I think she'd try it because it specifically got a reaction out of you in a game I cannot talk about for various reasons.

If I get replaced for saying that, fuck you mod.

[Bert]

I don't know. You were supposed to be my scumbuddy in 222 Assassins in the Palace, but you never showed up in our QT. And you got replaced for inactivity in 1462. So I don't know what to think of you, I just remember vague impressions of your play in 1462.

During 1462, all I remember other than you being rather defensive is you didn't really fight back when I was your scumbuddy and named you as a scumread (gut). Also, you never made much of a presence because you were generally inactive. I've never seen your towngame, but I do have gut/general vibes/impressions remaining from that brief day 1 in 1462.

[Bert]

I'm kinda surprised you're still playing in games because you got replaced out in several games and didn't appear to be that interested in continuing any games you were in, to be honest with you.

[T S O]

I'm kinda surprised you're still playing in games because you got replaced out in several games and didn't appear to be that interested in continuing any games you were in, to be honest with you.

Well what happened was I was on a week hiatus which was completely out of the blue. I had 0 net access for a week and didn't post v/la so I got multisubbed.

Enthusiasm is never a problem, m'boy.

[T S O]

A finished Town game where I played well would be Mini 1475.
One where I played badly (see: lazy) would be Newbie 1424 ( -__-)

As for scum games I have 1 completed one. It might not help you seeing as I replaced in, made a bad decision and basically auto-lost. That's Newbie 1401.
A scum game where I played decently before getting subbed would be Micro 188.

[fferyllt]

I don't have the impression that town T S O is all that accommodating.

But you're calling me scum.

Yes. I didn't expect town-you to step it up to such an extent right after I called you on your lack of content.

Also, you deflected my post about Sakura coming off a little townish in the post you characterized as self-sacrificing.

You focused on the self-sacrificing aspect and totally ignored that it was a defense of Cabd. Why would one scum baldly volunteer to be the lynch when the other scum is coming under fire?

Why do you think I'm lazy as Town?

It's not about laziness. It's about abruptly stopping what you are doing and doing something else when you're called on it.

And I think Sakura would try it because she knows the reaction it elicits. I think she'd try it because it specifically got a reaction out of you in a game I cannot talk about for various reasons.

I've seen Sakura's fatalism in a bunch of completed games where she has been scum and town. Fatalism qua fatalism doesn't do much for me anymore.

You are positing a Sakura/Cabd team, or you were:

Sakura-Cabd team.

Game nailed.

So, let's look at how this works.

- Cabd gets some votes.

- Sakura freaks and says "lynch me instead".

- Sakura gets lynched and flips scum.

What happens next? And how was that helpful to a Sakura/Cabd scum team?

[T S O]

No, step 3 is the problem.

Sakura does that as a suicidal play because

she knows it works on you.

And it's working right now.

Sakura isn't going to flip because if I went for her then Cabd would turn on me for going for an "easy lynch." It works both ways.

[T S O]

When you're asked for content and then you give it, isn't that a sign of someone who wants to show their thought process?

Ffery, I want your opinion on Sakura, opinion on Cabd, and opinion of them as a scumteam.

[fferyllt]

No, step 3 is the problem.

Sakura does that as a suicidal play because

she knows it works on you.

And it's working right now.

Sakura isn't going to flip because if I went for her then Cabd would turn on me for going for an "easy lynch." It works both ways.

Sakura has done some degree of suicidal play in every recent completed game I have with her save one where she was hydraing with Nacho. Maybe in every completed game save that one. The majority of those games she has been town.

I may be kidding myself that I can tell the difference between town fatalism, scum fatalism and scum fake fatalism, but I have seen all three from her and I do think I can tell the difference.

When you're asked for content and then you give it, isn't that a sign of someone who wants to show their thought process?

Ffery, I want your opinion on Sakura, opinion on Cabd, and opinion of them as a scumteam.

Sakura town. Cabd maybe scum. Scumteam - not likely.

I can see scum-Cabd coming up with yet another way to fuck with my mind, but he came into the game the same time I did and he would have had no chance to lay the groundwork with Sakura or any other hypothetical scumbuddy in the pregame. It's going to be totally impromptu and without much help from his scumbuddy, or it's not going to happen until day 2. That goes for any gambit, not just one designed to screw with my head.

Unvote

Not so sure about you now. You seem more interested in convincing me you're right about your scum reads than I'm wrong about my read of you.

[fferyllt]

And yeah, I think I've convinced myself Sakura is town. Or at least not scum with Cabd.

[fferyllt]

T S O if you stop engaging me after I take my vote off you I'm going to be pissed.

[notscience]

Ffery, some food for thought

Sakura under pressure-

Town- AtE, OMGUS.
Scum- srsface

And it could be her sacking herself to keep Cabd alive longer.

[fferyllt]

Your last sentence is the part that makes no sense to me. Sakura basically offers to be lynched instead of Cabd. She flips scum. What's likely to happen next?

[notscience]

Maybe she expects cabd to talk his way out of it.

[fferyllt]

Maybe he can talk his way out of it without getting a scumbuddy lynched in his place.

We're talking about Cabd here.

[Malakittens]

Vote Count 1.10

With 9 alive it's 5 votes to lynch.

Voting for:

*Cabd - T S O, notscience, Bert [3]
*Fferyllt -
*Bert -
*Gravija -
*agi102 -
*Sakura Hana - goodmorning, Gravija [2]
*T S O - Cabd, agi102 [2]
*notscience -
*goodmorning - Sakura Hana [1]

Not voting: Fferyllt [1]

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-10-04 23:50:00)

[Cabd]

People keep getting an inflated idea of what my scumgame looks like, le sigh.

Anyways, as I mentioned a while back, i'l be limited access during the court week, no electronics in the courthouse jury area (for good reason!)


Maybe I'll write some notes for you guys and scan 'em in. (<---this is a joke I'm lazy as fuck)

[Cabd]

Oh also bert, I was drunk as fuck at that post's moment, soooooo feel free to ignore it.

[T S O]

T S O if you stop engaging me after I take my vote off you I'm going to be pissed.

Don't worry. I'll always be here.

[Bert]

I find Sakura's suicidal play to be pretty null

[Sakura Hana]

I'm back from V/LA Will be re-reading and stuff.

[T S O]

Ffery can I have meta of Sakura doing it as scum and as Town?

[notscience]

Ffery, some food for thought

Sakura under pressure-

Town- AtE, OMGUS.
Scum- srsface

And it could be her sacking herself to keep Cabd alive longer.

[notscience]

Ffery, some food for thought

Sakura under pressure-

Town- AtE, OMGUS.
Scum- srsface

And it could be her sacking herself to keep Cabd alive longer.

[fferyllt]

Ffery can I have meta of Sakura doing it as scum and as Town?

As town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5222069 This was a self-hammer

As scum not faking it (I think) - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5154079 This was L-1

This game is a twofer: As scum faking it (I think) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5088017. As scum in the same game self-hammering: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5103138

As town: this one seemed mostly frustration. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5161695 and this one looked like pure fatalism. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5215726

There are other examples that I'm not going to bother looking up. These are 3 games I played with her and one I modded.