Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@Nom- Honestly I dont know what to tell you without repeating myself another hundred times. Anyways I have no idea how you think the statement you posted is a lie.The fact is I would get more heat by hesitating to vote 2pac than to put a quick lynch on 2pac . A fact that I believed that Regs used to his advantage. At the end of day 1 almost everyone either thought 2pac was scum or a bad player. Why would anyone blame me for hammering him. Since I hesitated bc of the mistrust of Regs and me believing it being a bad lynch I ended up taking heat I would otherwise would not get.I Also you seem refuse to refute any counter argument I had made. thas fine....if you think Im scum than vote for me bc you dont seem to want to listen to anything I have to say. Sorry but this conversation seems to be going around and around without much point/

@Ran- Yes i think his disappearance is suspicious. It exactly scummy but given the events of day 1 I have to consider this pretty suspect

Once again-
Regs has thrown fits to try to get his way. Called people scum and than recanted so he could get a hammer on 2Pac. He broke up the Skelda and Nom wagon to get a 2Pac wagon( which by the way flipped town cop) He is in my opinion manipulative and scummy and does not act like a townie would. I would think he would know better.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Edit- * Its not exactly scummy but given the events of......

[SafetyDance]

Votecount 2.1

Skelda (2):

SatanHellYeah, Ranawey

Nominull (1):

Mr_Ree

Ranawey (1):

Skelda

Mr_Ree (1):

Nominull

Regfan (1):

TheFuzzylogic99

Not voting

: Regfan

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-10-12 12:00:00). With 7 players, it's 4 to lynch.

@mod: are they eligible for a prod?

If they don't post within 72 hours from day start

[SatanHellYeah]

We should wait for him to post something.

I am inclined to think he is scum too. But I am giving him a chance. I know his behavior is suspicious. I have already stated my reads about that.

But we just can't judge him without him being able to defend himself. That's just unfair.

But of course, if he doesn't post in three days, I will assume he is coward scum and will place my vote on him.

Better, hurry, Reg.

[Skelda]

Here is what is going to happen.

Right now, the scum are targeting Reg because he can't defend himself. Today, we will probably lynch myself, Nom, or Reg. The person you lynch will flip town. And then, tomorrow, you will say, "Oh, the scum tricked him! Get the other two!" And scum will win. And then it will be a perfect scum victory.

Satan just admitted this. He said that if Reg or Nom flip town, he will be pushing all the more for me tomorrow, and that the only way he will even consider me being townwould be if Reg or Nom flipped scum. That is mad. If Reg or Nom flipped town, my odds of being town would go up considerably, not down. Likewise, if Reg or Nom flip scum, I would expect to be lynched. Satan may be town, but he is setting up his lynches and thinks he has this game figured out, but he doesn't.

So, here's the deal. Today, you will lynch either me, Reg, or Nom. According to you, 2/3 of us are scum, take your best shot. And, if you can hit scum, great, you've won the game. But I am taking none of that, "The one who died was the only innocent." Nope. Nom, Reg and me. Two out of three. You need a scum flip today, or you are going to have to reexamine yourselves.

[SatanHellYeah]

@Skelda
You didn't get my logic.

Ree suggested you may have been manipuled by Nom and Reg. So I said that if it was so, it would mean that Reg and/or Nom are scum. Them being scum could mean you were really tricked because they wanted you to lycnh 2pac. If they flip town, then it means you acted moved by your own interest, or at least not influenced by scum. Don't get me wrong. I stated that I might be able to cahnge my mind a bit. Just a bit, goat. I am still thinking you are scummy as hell right now, which is being reflected on my vote. I could be voting Reg in order to put pressure on him, but I prefer to remind you the place you own in my reads.

You keep insisting in that change of mind of yours. Ran and Fuzz are apparently targeting Reg because he cannot defend himself? They are just PUSHING like EVERYONE SHOULD DO. We cannot let him be unaware of all of this happening here. And he will be amazed by the results of his accurate reads.

Right now, I even have doubts about both Ran and Fuzzy, since you made a shade of doubt cross my thoughts. The only one I really trust is Ree. And I think he might be quite right about that 2/3. So that's it.

Hope I answered your questions.

[SatanHellYeah]

SO many fucking typos. Forgive my lack of care when I hurry up writing.

[Nominull]

@Nom- Honestly I dont know what to tell you without repeating myself another hundred times. Anyways I have no idea how you think the statement you posted is a lie.The fact is I would get more heat by hesitating to vote 2pac than to put a quick lynch on 2pac . A fact that I believed that Regs used to his advantage. At the end of day 1 almost everyone either thought 2pac was scum or a bad player. Why would anyone blame me for hammering him. Since I hesitated bc of the mistrust of Regs and me believing it being a bad lynch I ended up taking heat I would otherwise would not get.

If you didn't think anyone would blame you for hammering 2Pac why did you say you thought Regfan would blame you for hammering 2Pac? Was that a lie, or is this?

[Nominull]

Satan, can you explain to me why you think you can trust Mr. Ree?

[SatanHellYeah]

I think he means that Regfan would blame him because everything was kind of a trap to get him. Regfan would blame Fuzzy because his intention was to do that in the first place.

But let me say that is a bit

paranoid

, mister.

Ninjaedit: I'll explain you, just give me a minute.

[SatanHellYeah]

@Nom I think I can trust Ree, at least for now, because in the first place he didn't lynch the cop. I know, I know, I don't mean everyone that lynched the cop is scum, but I can definetely say that if Ree was scum, he could have pushed for an easy lynch. He is playing openly, giving reads, defending his thoughts with arguments and refusing to give away his gut. He clearly said that he would vote with his scumreads against his townreads, and so he did. He hasn't done anything specially scummy. At first I wasn't confident about him, but this was because as a newbie I wasn't used to reaction tests, but then I understood the whole thing, and now I can read him as pure town.

I know he is almost tunneling you right now. But you really have acted in a scummy way. Facts are facts, man.

I believe this will fullfill your request.

[SatanHellYeah]

EBWOP- he wouldn't vote with his scumreads...

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Skelda- so you dont think that Reg has not done anything scummy . That none of actions he did was suspicious? This seems to what you are saying. If thats what you believe than that fine I just want to here you say it. Also are we suppose to wait till Reg decides to show up to make accusations because if that the case he can reappear and disappear and by your logic he can not be accused. Yes it would be nice for Reg to be here to defend himself ( i would very much like that) but him being or not being here does not change how I feel about his actions during day 1. I cant just give him a free pass just because he has not shown up yet. If you are sure he is innocent than make a case for that and I will listen. I want to lynch scum as much as you do.

[Nominull]

@Nom I think I can trust Ree, at least for now, because in the first place he didn't lynch the cop. I know, I know, I don't mean everyone that lynched the cop is scum, but I can definetely say that if Ree was scum, he could have pushed for an easy lynch. He is playing openly, giving reads, defending his thoughts with arguments and refusing to give away his gut. He clearly said that he would vote with his scumreads against his townreads, and so he did. He hasn't done anything specially scummy. At first I wasn't confident about him, but this was because as a newbie I wasn't used to reaction tests, but then I understood the whole thing, and now I can read him as pure town.

I know he is almost tunneling you right now. But you really have acted in a scummy way. Facts are facts, man.

I believe this will fullfill your request.

It's not that hard for scum not to be on a day 1 town lynch, you know. Especially one that goes right down to the deadline. The only difference between Mr. Ree and Fuzzy is that Fuzzy was around at deadline to drop the hammer and Mr. Ree wasn't. Fuzzy looks better than Mr. Ree there.

We know 2Pac was town. I know I'm town. It's not at all inconceivable that Skelda is town. Can you see how, if all three of us are town, the fact that Mr. Ree didn't vote for the one who actually got lynched doesn't mean you can read him as "pure town"?

[SatanHellYeah]

I'll make it clearer.

I know that. Fuzzy was the one with the pressure of the hammer in his hands. But Ree warned Reg he

wouldn't vote with his scumreads against his townreads

. If Fuzzy had refused to hammer 2Pac, he would have lost the opportunity to lynch him, because if he had hammered him after saying that, he will have been found scummy as hell.

So, he either was sure about the intentions of Fuzzy, and therefore they are both scumpartners, or he is town and didn't want his townread to be lynched.

Do you see it as I see it now?

[SatanHellYeah]

Oh, I forgot.

I am more inclined to think Ree is town than he is scum with Fuzzy. That would contradict most of my reads.

[Nominull]

A no-lynch would have been better for scum than lynching 2Pac, given that they didn't know he was the cop. He didn't have to be sure about the intentions of Fuzzy.

[Nominull]

Of course committing to forcing a no-lynch rather than lynch one of your townreads is anti-town anyhow.

[SatanHellYeah]

I mean, if I assume Ree is scum with Fuzzy, that would imply:
a)Skelda is town(Which I am reluctant to accept)
b)Ree is scum(And, as I told you, I have a town read on him)
c)Fuzzy is scum(Which could be...but I am honestly not really convinced about it)
d)You and Reg are clean. (And I think at least one of you is scum with Skelda)

The "evidence" is not that strong to make me change my mind in such a radical way.

Ninjaedit: Not lynching your townreads, even with reasonable arguments in your favor, is worst that lynching against your will? Hm. I'll think about it.

And how could a no-lynch would have been better? I don't really get your logic. Scum didn't know he was the cop, so?
Sorry, but sometimes I just get silly and I don't get some things.

[SatanHellYeah]

I think I might have got it, but...

You mean that if Fuzzy hadn't hammered him, it would've been better for scum because they would know who the cop was.
But the thing is 2pac claimed when he was sentenced. I don't think he would have claimed.

But f Ree was scum, what kind of benefit is to have a living townie over having him killed? How could he possibly risk such a good myslynch, putting all the responsibility in Fuzzy's hands?

I keep thinking that Ree being scum would imply Fuzz being scum. And right now I can't accept such theory.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

All i know is if i was scum I would of hammered 2Pac before Reg would have had to pressure me to. I also think that in that case I would not look suspicious bc everyone thought 2Pac was either scum or a bad townie. Where I got myself in trouble was that I was placed in a situation where I had to hammer 2pac or run a chance of a no lynch ( which would make me look really scummy.) I believed that Reg used that opportunity to force my hand and lynch 2Pac even though I did not want to. i also believed bc of how he seem to be manipulative he planned to use my bad position to put set me up for a lynch on day 2.

[SatanHellYeah]

And now I'll go to sleep. I hope that when tomorrow morning I check this thread, Reg will have posted. I expect it.


Ninjaedit: Oh now I get it.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Also i dont know about anybody else for sure but I just feel like Reg is scum beyond a resonable doubt. i am still waiting on either Reg showing up to defend himself or someone to make a case for Reg being a townie. Once he flips scum we can figure out who his scum buddy is.....

[Nominull]

I think I might have got it, but...

You mean that if Fuzzy hadn't hammered him, it would've been better for scum because they would know who the cop was.
But the thing is 2pac claimed when he was sentenced. I don't think he would have claimed.

But f Ree was scum, what kind of benefit is to have a living townie over having him killed? How could he possibly risk such a good myslynch, putting all the responsibility in Fuzzy's hands?

I keep thinking that Ree being scum would imply Fuzz being scum. And right now I can't accept such theory.

If the town no-lynches, the scum get a free kill and the town has to go to the next day without any real new information. The lynch of a townie, on the other hand, provides lots of information. Mr. Ree will back me up on this, it's better for the town to lynch a townie Day 1 than to no-lynch.

The fact that 2Pac was the cop would change the math on this except that nobody knew he was the cop. Scum wouldn't have known exactly how good a mislynch they would be risking.

[Skelda]

I mean, if I assume Ree is scum with Fuzzy, that would imply:
a)Skelda is town(Which I am reluctant to accept)
b)Ree is scum(And, as I told you, I have a town read on him)
c)Fuzzy is scum(Which could be...but I am honestly not really convinced about it)
d)You and Reg are clean. (And I think at least one of you is scum with Skelda)

The "evidence" is not that strong to make me change my mind in such a radical way.

Ninjaedit: Not lynching your townreads, even with reasonable arguments in your favor, is worst that lynching against your will? Hm. I'll think about it.

And how could a no-lynch would have been better? I don't really get your logic. Scum didn't know he was the cop, so?
Sorry, but sometimes I just get silly and I don't get some things.

Well, then, the problem here is that you haven't formed good reads and have clouded judgement.

Satan, if I were to flip town, who would you go after next?